Tol-in-Gaurhoth LI: The Pain of Wargs - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gaunt · 10-13-2008, 04:11 AM

Hello all,

Apologies for my recent lack of participation, I have been in the process of moving into a new flat and haven't been able to get on a computer.

And a lot has happened since I last posted.

I must say I don't really understand this Melkor-Manwe thing, although obviously Melkor was pro-warg.

As for Shasta dying of grief at the realisation of the pain of wargs, I don't really get that either.

At the moment I am inclined towards voting for Gollum, basically because there have been vague suspicions directed at him for a while now.

Hopefully I can come up with better justification (or even a different vote altogether) on further reading.

Mithalwen · 10-13-2008, 05:53 AM

Hi I am here and will be around a lot more later. Still trying to get my head around this but my instincts are at least holding true. I think Shasta was surely modfired?

Gaunt · 10-13-2008, 06:18 AM

Is it likely that the pairs of werewolves mentioned in Eomer's prophecy are meant to describe competing pairs of werewolves? I.e. It was Melkor's mission to kill Manwe and vice versa, and that when Legate (Manwe) was lynched by the Warg vote Brinniel's mission as Melkor was complete so she left the game.

I have no experience of this game to go on, so I don't know if scenarios like this have happened before.

Gaunt · 10-13-2008, 06:26 AM

And if the above is the case, is it not possible that legate went after Gollum thinking he was Melkor?

Mithalwen · 10-13-2008, 06:28 AM

There have been unusual variants but I am afraid I don't often have time to follow the games I haven't played but I don't think something quite like that has happened. A weid variant on lovers (maybe Noggin was on the money for once!). However how was the kill decided I wonder... and where do we go from here?

Mithalwen · 10-13-2008, 06:32 AM

And Eomer asked the villains to send a name. So we don't have a lot of scope for making errors. We have lost the main enemy but at least 2 remain. And we have lost both our gifted.

Gaunt · 10-13-2008, 07:07 AM

Reading over Eomer's prophecies, I think there were two original werewolves, who were joined on the third night by Manwe (Legate) and Brinniel (Melkor). I'm not sure what the exact roles of Melkor and Manwe were - would Manwe have been able to kill as a werewolf had not Melkor successfully assisted in having him voted off?

No matter. If this was the case, then are two werewolves working together left.

So:

night 2: Samwise lynched, Kitanna killed by werewolves

night 3: Groin Redbeard lynched, Nogrod killed by werewolves

night 4: Legate (Manwe) lynched, Rune killed by werewolves, Shasta dies for reasons unknown, possibly by the moderator.

Gaunt · 10-13-2008, 07:18 AM

I think the wolf kills on night 3 and 4 can be explained, but I still wasn't sure about Kitanna. Looking back, at one stage she suspected Samwise, Gollum and Gwath, but voted for Kath.

I wonder then if the two wolves are some combination of Gwath, Gollum and Kath?

Assuming Gollum is one (not that I necessarily am assuming that), then his recent list of remaining players that he thought were innocent and guilty would suggest that he and Kath are the wolves, because he listed Kath as probably innocent and Gwath as potentially suspicious. Unless it is some sort of bluff.

10-13-2008, 05:53 AM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Hi I am here and will be around a lot more later. Still trying to get my head around this but my instincts are at least holding true. I think Shasta was surely modfired? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

10-13-2008, 06:28 AM	#5
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	There have been unusual variants but I am afraid I don't often have time to follow the games I haven't played but I don't think something quite like that has happened. A weid variant on lovers (maybe Noggin was on the money for once!). However how was the kill decided I wonder... and where do we go from here? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

10-13-2008, 06:32 AM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	And Eomer asked the villains to send a name. So we don't have a lot of scope for making errors. We have lost the main enemy but at least 2 remain. And we have lost both our gifted. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

10-13-2008, 07:07 AM	#7
Gaunt Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The bleak splendour of the north. Ok, Aberdeen. Posts: 28	Reading over Eomer's prophecies, I think there were two original werewolves, who were joined on the third night by Manwe (Legate) and Brinniel (Melkor). I'm not sure what the exact roles of Melkor and Manwe were - would Manwe have been able to kill as a werewolf had not Melkor successfully assisted in having him voted off? No matter. If this was the case, then are two werewolves working together left. So: night 2: Samwise lynched, Kitanna killed by werewolves night 3: Groin Redbeard lynched, Nogrod killed by werewolves night 4: Legate (Manwe) lynched, Rune killed by werewolves, Shasta dies for reasons unknown, possibly by the moderator. Last edited by Gaunt; 10-13-2008 at 07:20 AM. Reason: repetition

10-13-2008, 07:18 AM	#8
Gaunt Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The bleak splendour of the north. Ok, Aberdeen. Posts: 28	I think the wolf kills on night 3 and 4 can be explained, but I still wasn't sure about Kitanna. Looking back, at one stage she suspected Samwise, Gollum and Gwath, but voted for Kath. I wonder then if the two wolves are some combination of Gwath, Gollum and Kath? Assuming Gollum is one (not that I necessarily am assuming that), then his recent list of remaining players that he thought were innocent and guilty would suggest that he and Kath are the wolves, because he listed Kath as probably innocent and Gwath as potentially suspicious. Unless it is some sort of bluff. Last edited by Gaunt; 10-13-2008 at 07:44 AM.

10-13-2008, 04:11 AM	#1
Gaunt Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The bleak splendour of the north. Ok, Aberdeen. Posts: 28	Hello all, Apologies for my recent lack of participation, I have been in the process of moving into a new flat and haven't been able to get on a computer. And a lot has happened since I last posted. I must say I don't really understand this Melkor-Manwe thing, although obviously Melkor was pro-warg. As for Shasta dying of grief at the realisation of the pain of wargs, I don't really get that either. At the moment I am inclined towards voting for Gollum, basically because there have been vague suspicions directed at him for a while now. Hopefully I can come up with better justification (or even a different vote altogether) on further reading.

10-13-2008, 06:18 AM	#3
Gaunt Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The bleak splendour of the north. Ok, Aberdeen. Posts: 28	Is it likely that the pairs of werewolves mentioned in Eomer's prophecy are meant to describe competing pairs of werewolves? I.e. It was Melkor's mission to kill Manwe and vice versa, and that when Legate (Manwe) was lynched by the Warg vote Brinniel's mission as Melkor was complete so she left the game. I have no experience of this game to go on, so I don't know if scenarios like this have happened before.

10-13-2008, 06:26 AM	#4
Gaunt Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The bleak splendour of the north. Ok, Aberdeen. Posts: 28	And if the above is the case, is it not possible that legate went after Gollum thinking he was Melkor?