Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Nogrod]

I guess Rune and Gil-Galad (surprise!) are the only ones who have not yet posted? Well, there are still hours to go but I do hope they join the game eventually.

Anyway, I looked over some of those who have not posted too much this far.

One post

Kath - Speaks how enthusiastic about this game she is and that's it. No posts after that. Laying low or just busy? Fits the general "Kath on Day1" scheme though... a bit too well - and that's why I'd like to see her as a representative toMorrow even if she might vote for me just out of the annoyance...

Nerwen - Only one post but offers an idea: either Shasta is in cahoots with tp or then Brinn as they are so extremely friendly - and no one would believe the wolves would be that obvious. A fair point looking at the time of the posting showing she's up to this game - even if I'd wish to see her post more. But I surely do wish to see her more so not someone I'd wish to see lynched toDay.

Gwath - Only posted to say "I'm reading but have nothing to contribute yet" - and that was 14 hours ago... RL and all may be factors and maybe we should not judge too heavily at this moment but he does look evasive indeed.

Two posts

Di - Makes a campaign why she should be voted as a representative. That makes her look more innocentish to me than not. Also her point on tp was reasonable even if limiting to being out of bounds and possibly misguided as well (judging from Fea's posting... butI'd underline the word possibly as there is no easy way to say what she actually means ). I'd say she's more innocent than not.

Sally - Sadly nothing to say. Just banter. Another representative-candidate for me.

Agan - Looks more innocent than not, even if there was not much in her two posts. She's one I wouldn't like to see go this early anyway as I know she can be an asset to the village when having more time and losing one of those on Day1 is always sad.

THe Ka - She seems to be one who always flies under my radar. Her first post is merely general stuff & banter and on the second one she just mildly agrees with Boro and tp. Maybe also a candidate for being a representative so that she would have to take a stance on something and give us more clues?


EDIT: Oops, X'd with a host of posting...

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Gwath - Only posted to say "I'm reading but have nothing to contribute yet" - and that was 14 hours ago... RL and all may be factors and maybe we should not judge too heavily at this moment but he does look evasive indeed.

It was true, though.

Currently, I think that I will either vote someone who does not want to be a rep, or vote myself.

EDIT: Can I do that? I assume I can.

[the phantom]

I'm thinking about my rep-selection just very generally at this point. I'm thinking that I would like to give my vote to someone who has talked, and has given opinions. Partly because anyone who becomes a rep seems, to me anyway, less likely to be lynched, for they will have the protection of their voting power.

And at this stage of the village I do not want to kill someone that I firmly believe I will form an opinion on in the coming days. It is true that my opinion of them may be incorrect, but I'd rather have an opinion and be wrong than feel entirely in the dark.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

I will [...] vote myself.

EDIT: Can I do that? I assume I can.

You can not.

[the phantom]

If you are indeed considering me as an option, I would have you know clearly where I stand on the idea of being a rep.

If made a rep, I would attempt to use my voting power to put pressure on others in order to get them to give opinions. Along the lines of "I'd like to vote for so-and-so, but if he steps up and gives me something maybe I won't".

As far as actual Wolf-voting success, I certainly can't promise much on a Day 1, and wouldn't be much more accurate than random selection. The clear advantage to choosing me is simply the fact that I am not a Werewolf.

However, as that fact cannot possibly be known or trusted coming from my mouth, that's not particularly convincing.

All told, I feel no need to campaign for the position of Rep. I'd be more comfortable in an advisory capacity. The only reason I feel compelled to wish for votes is simply for the sake of self-protection, and because I know that those votes might otherwise have supported a Werewolf. Of course that is to be balanced with the pressure I'd feel not to do something disasterous with my vote (lynch the Seer).

Anyway, that's where I stand. Nog- what are your feelings towards receiving my rep vote?

Boro? Legate? Anyone else?

EDIT: x-posted with Fea onward

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Boro? Legate? Anyone else?

Well, if you ask about receiving your vote, if you feel up to it - see, I will accept; the only thing worth considering is whether you consider it worth with my schedule, as I said (above - something like being here, and now it seems like rather briefly, in some 11 hours since now, and then for perhaps longer period some 6 hours before the DL itself). So - you can take that I make a responsible vote, as much as it will be possible (for that I suggest you go through my later post a bit to learn my "program" , as little as there is), but not count much on my participation in discussion during the course of the Day - only on several isolated moments, hours, let's say.

As for that, now in the light of what you said, I have to think once again about voting you. But that has time - also if Nog replies to me.

I would rather vote for really one of the more, hmm, vocal players, and those about whom I have some idea rather than complete enigmas, although I can see where Nog is going. Later.

[the phantom]

I'm going to try and read, in a row, posts by individuals who have made a significant contribution thus far. I don't know if it'll help, but we'll see...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I'm going to try and read, in a row, posts by individuals who have made a significant contribution thus far. I don't know if it'll help, but we'll see...

It will be interesting to see what will count as "significant contribution"...

[Kath]

Right, I'm off now so let's try this new-fangled voting.

++Lommy for Rep

She strikes me as pretty trustworthy at the moment and I also think she'll hold to her own opinion even if the other Reps are pretty strongwilled, and on Day 1 I think that's good.

[the phantom]

Quickly- people have mentioned voting for submarines and forcing them to stand up. I'm not sure where I stand on that. I agree with the principle that villagers should be forced to give opinions, but I'm not sure I like the idea of giving power to unknowns.

What if we decide to vote for Rune and then he comes in and says, "Yay! I'm a rep! I say we kill ++Nog!" It would leave me feeling extremely foolish.

[Nogrod]

I'm tempted to make Ilya our second representative right now with a second vote. I think she might be one we should see there. I mean even if she is an old sport around here she's quite unknown to us later-comers in here and I really would like to see what she does - and looking at her last post just made me a bit more confident about her. So she might be something like a compromise to me: someone whom I could trust a bit to be having the good of the village in her eyes and someone I might learn more of (to trust her later or not) were she chosen as a representative.

I think I will go for exploration of unknown territories toDay. It may / will be different later in the game. Then we really have to think about whom we trust and not so much whom we'd like to see there to learn.

But you who stay up later to the game should really look for us having a fair amount of representatives and no-one of them having like 10 votes... That's too risky at this point of the game.

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I see Kath has voted. A good point indeed (and I do share her feeling about Lommy, at least for now) which I might follow if I would suddenly be tempted not to wish to have a look at Ilya making it as a representative which I think might be both a "securish" as the feeling goes and also a learning experience for the Days to come - to whomever they come.

I see your point tp and I do appreciate it. But as I said it's Day1 and we have a rare occasion to test people's reactions in this kind of game - for good or bad. I mean we all can post on the next 24-hours and make our points heard. So then someone going rampant would have to face the consequences, right?

Gah, I need to decide and soon as it's approaching 1AM here...

[the phantom]

My read-throughs thus far-

Shasta- Despite his high number of posts, I am not able to form an opinion on him. I'd like to see a few more serious opinions from him.
Boromir- I have not received a full read on him yet, but his vibes thus far have been innocent.

[Nogrod]

I'm just wondering why you tp and Boro are so much against some risks or tests on Day1 in this kind of a game?

I would hate to see a scenario where some of the "generally trusted veterans" would make all the votes when we have this kind of opportunity to try things in the first Days.

Sure you're right (whoever it was to point it out) that we should be careful not to vote for any clear clicks as our representatives - like even if I feel pretty good about Greenie at the moment I wouldn't like her to be a representative for us just because Brinn already is.

And a Day or two later - God willing - I will cling to those I really trust as the stakes will be higher and the chances for curiosity and risk-taking becomes more dangerous.

Originally Posted by tp

Shasta- Despite his high number of posts, I am not able to form an opinion on him. I'd like to see a few more serious opinions from him.

Agreed to the fullest... Although we have some others who have done even worse, like Eonwë and McCaber who have posted a few more times than those who have not posted anything or just one or two posts (which I think is bad playing - timezones and RL issues to be taken in as factors to be sure), and still there is no actual input in there. The downside to this is of course that at least some of them tend to do that as an ordo as well and so it's not so much a case against them but more like a stance on how this game should be played.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Who's Immanuel Kent?

Hush! Talking about the most famous barber-shop talk-about from the age of our forefathers, Immanuel of Kent that is (you never took a serious look of those minor characters in the Shakespeare plays on the War of the Roses? ), might cause a modfire...


Okay. I really seem to be cross posting with too much...

[Brinniel]

Oh geez, so many posts. No wonder I always have such trouble keeping up on Day 1.

When it comes to voting for a rep...

I think I'd like to avoid voting for one of the louder players for toDay. Innocent or not, some of these players talk so much that it becomes easy to overlook the quieter players. Which may be a reason why the louder players often seem to die first and the quiet players don't get noticed until later when you only just realise they're not dead yet. At the same time though, I don't think I'd want to vote someone who's too quiet (as it seems others are contemplating). Because if all the reps were silent players who only made one or two posts, then I don't think very much progress will be made towards lynching a wolf. So perhaps someone in between loud and quiet.

And when it comes to picking a rep, it's obviously gotta be someone whose judgement I trust. Of course I want to vote someone I think is more likely innocent than not, though that may pose difficult at this early stage when I seem to think everyone looks innocent.

As of now, my top two candidates are Kath and Shasta...two players who make good judgements and whose voices haven't been strongly heard yet (while Shasta's made a high number of posts, I wouldn't consider him a loud player as far as substance goes).

Though I could also consider Aganzir who also makes wise choices, at least when she's innocent. I usually can get a good read off of her though this time not so much since she's only posted twice (what's up with that?). But voting her as rep would be one way to get a better read of her.

I could also consider voting Di, who made such an excellent campaign for herself.

[Aganzir]

Ai, ai, ai! Four pages.

Originally Posted by Brinn

she's only posted twice (what's up with that?)

Getting home late, tiredness, a paper to write, and a general annoyance with the world.
Today I should be able & willing to post more, though.

Originally Posted by Legate

and in a bit of anti-Brinn mood (this "large front of support" simply does not sit well with me, taken that Brinn, from my part, gets no reading)

Why doesn't it sit right with you?
Also, could you explain what you actually mean by "large front of support". I am aware that Brinn was considered innocent by a few people at the early stages, but I wouldn't call it a large front yet.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I'm was thinking of voting Nogrod- he seems very reasonable and is talking a lot of sense (but maybe trying to be too helpful).

How is he trying to be too helpful? Please elaborate.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

But then she voted Brinniel, which I wouldn't do.

Why wouldn't you?

Thanks for the votes, Shasta & Brinn, although I'm curious to know why you ended up choosing me since my posts were rather poor in content and neither of you had to vote very early. Also sally, why were you considering me?
I am sure you are both aware that since I had not posted (nor formed) any real suspicions by the time that you voted me, it's not impossible that I end up suspecting/voting one of you. (Don't know how likely it is, either. Just felt the need to point it out).

Originally Posted by Boro

Agan I'm not sure how involved she will be.

So have I appeared irresponsible and quiet in all the games we've played together?

Originally Posted by Lommy

Then, another thoght... voting someone as a rep is surely a great way of buddying up fellow villagers. That's why the Agan-Brinn and Legate-phantom "alliances" make me wonder... I mean, of course it's just natural too to reward trust with trust and one is subconsciously inclined to trust someone that trusts them and blah blah blah, but such vote exchanges are curious. I'm not sure what to think about them.

I don't find them curious in themselves. However, if there's something strange in them, it's the seeming lack of reasoning , but that's a thing that applies to the voting in general, not only these "alliances".
I find it odd that it made such a big impression on you.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Agan and Greenie's great trust in her makes me raise my eyebrows.

Could you elaborate on our great trust in her. Where did you find it?

I don't like it how Lommy seems to exaggerate things that seem rather small to me.

Originally Posted by Legate

A) said pretty plainly that she won't have probably much time (in fact, at least on me it made the impression as if she were almost like rejecting the Rep position for toDay)

I wasn't, but I wasn't actively running for a rep, either. I'm around this afternoon but I won't stay here until deadline.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Aganzir for Brinniel. I'd agree with her that Brinn seems sensible, but what does she mean by saying she's "usually trustworthy"?

My main reason for calling her trustworthy was that she's a player I have a history with and I know she's responsible and will contribute & be around. She can also be helpful if innocent, but that's not a point I considered so much when voting her.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I agree, nonetheless (forgot to include this in my last post) that it's rather peculiar that Aganzir got in this time, when I believe she's only made one post.

Two, to be precise. However, both of them suffered from several lack of substance, so I wonder about it, too.

I'm off to reread the thread.

[Boromir88]

So have I appeared irresponsible and quiet in all the games we've played together? ~Agan

Irresponsible...you said it, not me.

Anyway, no, I was running through the people with 1 vote, and while I believe you would be a great rep, based on what you said yesterday, I didn't know whether you would busy and/or annoyed today. It has no bearing one who I choose in the future.

Why so? Nogrod always tries to make quiet people talk more...~Lommy

True, but as I noted, if a wolf-Nogrod can't become a rep, it could be an attempt to keep power out of other vocal players who could be trouble for him. Also, it could be a way to get the wolves more involved in the voting, and he's simply masking it under the umbrella of "trying to get more info" from people.

Anyway, unless Nogrod, you want to tell me a secret you're hiding, you won't be getting my vote. I'll say it again...you won't be getting my vote - I want to stress that point, because I won't pull a Legate 180.

The business with the phantom, Legate, and Boro: "I suspect you... no, wait, you're fine, I'll vote for you instead" ...seems a little choreographed, rather like what I thought I saw with Shasta, tp and Brin earlier... Hmmn. They can't all be wolves.~Nerwen

I'm not quite sure where you, or Shasta got that idea from. Shasta said he got it from Lommy, who originally pointed it out. But, if I recall all Lommy did was really point out the obvious. That us 3 were obviously interacting, but didn't inquire any further.

I see what you're saying about Legate and the phantom. Legate completely turned around, and the phantom's vote seems out of the blue. But I would ask you not lump me in with those two. I have not recanted anything I've said about Legate, and now I want more answers from him (which I will get to in a moment). As far as the phantom, I don't believe I ever suspected him, nor said he would not be my representative.

I can be around for another hour, or so, and then will be out until about 6 EST. First, I would like to hear the thoughts of my constituents. Ilya? The Ka?

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Rune

There seem to be only one question that needs to be asked: Why would anyone vote for Brinniel?

Hmph. I ought to vote for you toDay for just saying that.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Thanks for the votes, Shasta & Brinn, although I'm curious to know why you ended up choosing me since my posts were rather poor in content and neither of you had to vote very early.

Part of the reason I chose you was because you unusually quiet; I was hoping that by putting you in a position of power I could draw you out more and get a better read of you early in the game. Also I wanted to pick someone who tends to make good judgements when accurately suspecting whether someone's a wolf or not. It became between you and Shasta and I decided you over him because voting him would've gotten nowhere since he had no votes and as I already said, I think it's better we have more reps than less. In fact, seven is a perfect number. That's one third of the village.

On another note, it's best I warn you all that I have a busy day in RL ahead of me. I'm going to be gone from 11am to perhaps as late as 9:30pm EST. I'm so sorry about that, but it can't be helped. But I'll definitely be around at the end of the Day and if I can get here earlier, I will.

[A Little Green]

You guys should really really slow down. I've been reading the thread for a few hours... Okay, then to some thoughts that came to me as I read.

Originally Posted by Noggins

I would hate to see a scenario where some of the "generally trusted veterans" would make all the votes when we have this kind of opportunity to try things in the first Days.

I agree that a situation with only "generally trusted veterans" as reps is not nice, but for a different reason. I think it is not a favourable situation because, quoting Lommy,

Originally Posted by Lommy

I only fear this will lead more and more to the village being divided in two parts - the loud expert elite and the less experienced or less loud ones.

That I think is a real problem, not only because it enables quiet wolves to slip by, but also because it will lead to a not-so-enjoyable and not-so-sporty game. I agree that when playing werewolf one should contribute and post actual substance; nevertheless, I don't like the way people seem to think that flooding the thread with posts is the only right way to play and the closer you get to that the better you are. We can't all be phantoms or Nogrods, nor do we need to be. It's just alarming how this "loud, experienced veteran" type seems to be the "ideal" werewolf player who sort of must be respected just because of that status. No, I'm not saying "Don't respect experienced loudmouths". What I mean is that we should avoid only considering these kind of players as good players or players worth being a rep.

Okay, sorry for that. I got a bit heated on that topic. Now back to the actual game.

Originally Posted by Gwathy

Ok, so toDay I am voting

++Nogrod

as my representative. I think he'd do a good job of keeping the quiet players on their toes, making the ranks of the sub-reindeer-sitters a less than safe place for a wolf to hide. This, at any rate, is my hope.

I must wonder at this. He's basically voting Nogrod because he'd keep quiet players on their toes, but then, I at least would count Gwath among those very same quiet players. I don't know what to think about that, but I felt the need to point it out.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Hmm. Perhaps it's more of an angle, with Phantom at the center. I just latched on to Lommy's phrase because I saw the same thing she did.

This argument looked very weird to me. Shasta? What did you mean?

One more thing - like Agan, I don't quite understand where these phrases like "great trust" and "large front of support" come from. I never said I had great trust in Brinniel - I think I said that she looks innocentish and is a sensible player or something along those lines. Don't know, but it looks like someone is trying to make small issues into big ones.

Generally, I think Leggie looks quite innocentish, Ka is slightly creepy, and Agan speaks good sense and raises good questions. I'm also happy to see Rune and Nerwen around.


EDIT: x-ed with Boro and Brinn

[Aganzir]

Garr I suppose it's useless to ask people to post less. But it took me this long to read through it all and write a post.

Guilty
Lommy. I know I tend to suspect her, especially on the first days. And to me she almost always seems overreactive and suspicious. But it happening always is not an excuse for me to put her in the Neither cathegory so she's happily here again.

Originally Posted by Lommy

If we really have to try filibustering, why not toDay when there's (probably) the least action and the smallest chance of lynching a wolf?

I found this comment not necessarily suspicious but weird. Is filibustering something you "really have to try"? Aren't there any possible advantages to it? You say the only purpose you can see it serving is chaos-creating, and I think that's exaggerating.
In addition to that, the following looked a bit overreactive, as did the things concerning the votes Brinn got, which I posted already in my previous post.

Originally Posted by Lommy

To be honest, this whole Boro-phantom-Legate triangle baffles me. What are these guys up to? I don't mean to say that they're evil, nor that even one of them is evil, but such behaviour does make me a little cautious. I would say I'm keeping an eye on them, but in this village, one can hardly avoid paying attention to those three.

For I couldn't really see any triangle between them. Could either Lommy or Shasta, or both, explain to me where it came from.

Eönwë. I think he's always more or less like that, but usually I don't find him suspicious. At least I don't remember doing it, although I may have contributed to his lynching once. However, he feels different this time. Somehow more self-conscious. His remarks seem to come out of the blue and it's hard to read him because he doesn't give much substance.

Shasta. Don't really understand where that phantom-Boro-Legate triangle came from. It reminds me a bit of Nerwolf's "their interaction makes me think there might be a wolf involved" in some game ages ago.

Legate. I don't know. I just somehow don't like him. I'm at a loss as to why he voted against filibusters because I myself can't see anything wrong with them (if someone is filibustering when I want to go to sleep, then I just don't vote), and his anti-phantom thing looked fabricated (which it probably was), as well as his wavering and 180 turn later on. However, his reaction to Boro's questioning looks rather innocentish.

Innocent
phantom. He doesn't give any bad vibes although I am perfectly aware that he could appear innocent even if a wolf. For the sake of my sanity I'm not going to concentrate on him for now, I am sure others will do it more than enough anyway.
Brinn. I agree with her that there shouldn't be very few reps. I'm feeling pretty good about her now that I saw her response to my question why she voted me.
Boro amuses me a lot. He looks innocent and I find myself agreeing with him on several things, but it was the same last time I played with him, and he was a wolf. I'm wary of him based on those past experiences, but I find him more innocent than not for the time being.

Neither
Nog. I won't concentrate on him now, either. Although he has posted a lot, I have hard time trying to get a read on him.
Greenie. It's always difficult for me to form an opinion on her. Somehow I'm a bit uneasy as to why she followed me so quickly on voting Brinn for a rep. Not that it was necessarily suspicious, it just seemed too easy.
Gil. I wrote on his wall on Facebook and told him the game has begun so hopefully he pops up sooner or later.
Ka. No idea. Hasn't posted much about her opinions and suspicions yet.
Cab. Looking forward to seeing your list since it's the second half of the day now.
Kath. No idea.
Di. I noticed the confidence but don't know what to think of it.
sally. No read.
Ilya. Why do you think everybody seems to trust Brinn?
Gwathagor. No idea.
mormegil. No idea.
Nerwen. If it was anyone but Nerwen, I could say I was a bit more inclined to consider her innocent.
Rune. No idea.

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Okay, I've now proceeded to Page 7. As for the posts made while I was travelling through the thread...

Originally Posted by Lommy

Could be. I have no doubt it will useful to go through all the reasons for the rep votes. But on the other hand, there's lots of other stuff that would be useful too, like for example wolf-hunting...

Err? Your response looks rather empty. About whatever we do here is wolf-hunting, and at least I would consider going through the voting reasons wolf-hunting as well. You seemingly don't.

Originally Posted by Lommy

It was rather great taking into account how little she had said. Neither of you spared postive adjectives when describing her capacity to take up the task. Also, it is kind of curious that the first two rep votes go to the same person.

We didn't spare positive adjectives?

Originally Posted by me

Because I agree with her that the less reps there are, the more room for errors, and because she's a player who is generally trustworthy although I always find her so suspicious, and because she probably won't be the centre of attention.

Originally Posted by Greenie

because she is a good sensible player, seems innocent, and has already received one vote so is certainly through.

I found only one in my post. I can't speak for Greenie but I wouldn't call her use of positive adjectives great trust, either. If we have to vote early and you know it, why on earth are you telling us later that we trusted her way too much given how much she had posted?
I find it worth noticing too that the first votes went to the same person, but I wouldn't call it great trust.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Slight exaggeration has always been a part of my way of talking, you should know that. But honestly, I don't think I've been exaggerating anything in this game.

What if I said I didn't know that?
Of course I can think of situations where you speak in an exaggerating manner. That's probably one of the reasons I suspect you in every game. However, I don't know of it always having been part of your way of talking.
And I do think you've been exaggerating. Trying to make small issues sound bigger than they are.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Shasta - "posts which I do not like" explanation

Okay, I don't recall anymore if I had in mind really more posts, perhaps I said posts and meant just this one post. Simply, the thing you said shortly before I left yesterday. And most likely, the point concerned was nothing more and nothing less than the actual issue which has been talked around here several times over again:

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Legate also made a list. What's odd is that he seems to be on very good terms with both Boromir and Phantom... a bit flip-floppy on Phantom, actually, based on his earlier attitude. I think Lommy's right about a possible Boro-Phantom-Legate triangle, but to what purpose? Surely they're not all wolves... are they?

So that was it. You can look up at my post (the long one - you can't overlook it) the "INNER WHATEVER #2" part, where I speak already a bit about the subject. So, it is simply that I thought Shasta is making there a cause out of something which seemed to me not to be a case in the first place (i.e. Lommy speaking about me, Boro and Phantom interacting and Shasta took it as some kind of possible coalition of ours or what). Cf. with the above.

Going, most likely, to post a list about my current view of players; but keep any possible reactions on me or questions coming while I am here. (I am not going to stay around for that long. I have to sleep too.)

EDIT: x-ed with Morm and further

[the phantom]

Nog, before you go- your vote. It's not in the proper format, so I'm not certain it will be counted.

Figured you'd want to know.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Aganzir - I said something about her above. Summa summarum: there are a few things that make me worried about her, like her going after Lommy on some absolutely nonsensish grounds. Then, on some other issues she had reasonable points, like about Eönwë, but bah, we all know the Agan-wolf. Which however is also the things which baffles me with her suspicion of Lommy: we all know the Agan-wolf. She won't make so simpleton-ish accusations, from my point of view. Also, I am not sure if her vote for me has much logical grouds. Well, what. Watching.

Boromir88 - this far, keeping the profile I already spoke about before (see some of my earlier lists). Innocent-like. (The only thing that could bother would be that his behavior pattern seems to be all the same and unchanging, thus, what it is a role he suited himself into? But that's just a question.)

Brinniel - I said that earlier, the main issue with her now is the vote for Agan, which she did not explain at least to me at all. A reasoning that makes no sense?

Diamond18 - I believe had not posted since my last list.

Eönwë - actually not getting better (after pondering everything) since what I last said about him. There is this kind-of-innocent thing I said about his last post, but still, the suspicion is stronger than this.

Gil-Galad - now here is he, and, Gil, sorry for saying that, that's by no means pejorative but simply stating the truth, confused as ever. I am not making much of his interaction with Shasta, as it does not seem to have any real substance in it.

Greenie - as I said in my Horribly Long Post (TM) above, seeming innocent, maybe only a bit too innocent? Too nice, calm, agreeing? Need to see more.

Gwathagor - I don't still have much to say about him. I cannot say guilty nor innocent about him, for any much reason.

Ilya - so far so good

Legate - would better just shut up and not say any SW quotes any more, or he'll become a bantha poodoo.

Lommy - still looking rather innocent. Really, seeming normal. Nothing suspicous-worthy, whatever others say.

Kath - I somehow feel like starting to get a read on her. Feeling better about her.

McCaber - no real change on opinion since last time.

mormegil - also not much real change, seems like an okay guy with nothing sinister coming through.

Nerwen - starts to seem a bit like her usual self. (Though still would expect her to post more, but that's a side issue.)

Nogrod - lately I started to wonder a bit, whether he is not a wolf in disguise for a serious gentleman after all; however, as I have no real grounds for suspicion, just the feeling and sometimes kind of jerks from his behavior, nothing to raise against him for now.

Rune - so here, at least, too! And seems pretty genuine. Nothing too bad.

Sally - little to add since last visit. Still seeming fine.

Shasta - my suspicions on him may have been kind of made less sharp by the course of time, but still, keeping an eye on him.

The Ka - still could be this nice visitor who comes, cleans her shoes and hangs her hat by the door, drinks a cup of tea and leaves again (with the hat, of course). But I can't say A nor B about her either.

And last of all my favourite, the phantom, on whom I still hold the opinion, at least this far, that he does not strike me as sinister. Not yet, at least...

Well, so that's it. We shall see who crossposted with me, and maybe also possibly vote, for I don't wish to hang around for too long, but it looks like this is a good place to end as any... looks like Eönwë for me right now.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

THe Ka - She seems to be one who always flies under my radar. Her first post is merely general stuff & banter and on the second one she just mildly agrees with Boro and tp. Maybe also a candidate for being a representative so that she would have to take a stance on something and give us more clues?

I think she might be a good choice. However, she's not my choice. I've decided to try

++Ilya for representative

Because I really want to know her better, and I would also welcome some fresh views in the final debates.

Originally Posted by Boro

When you signed up for this were you really expecting something different?

Well, honestly, no. But I like all of you, so don't be too worried, my dear Mr88.


edit: xed with Nogboot and phandoom

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

*sighs* It really looks like either Shasta or... do you have such a proverb in English? "Who cries the loudest not to do something, is first to do it?" (Along these lines.) I am still not placing aside Greenie, but there's the thing I said above. (And it has one practical disadvantage too, she'll have to post... hey, but that's not gonna matter now...) Otherwise, hmm... Nog, you said you are not much for being a Rep tomorrow? Time-wise?

I'll see how I long I stay around here yet... perhaps for long enough to make some clearer image of whom to vote (this is actually fine, as it sounds a lot better than in the usual context, even though the phrase used is the same). Hmm... may as well start to ask people considered...

EDIT: x-ed with those after Fea

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

hmm... Nog, you said you are not much for being a Rep tomorrow? Time-wise?

We have an essay-ranking meeting in the afternoon and I have no idea how long it will last. In the best case I'm free from early evening (like from 3-5PM GMT, +2 GMT to me that is) and in the worst I'll come home just a few hours before I have to go to sleep.

So I will definitively play tomorrow (RL) but the question is only whether I have time like I had today or whether it would be just reading it through and naking a few posts.

EDIT: "Naking a few points"? ... Making?

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Nog

Two posts

Correction, I've made three posts. Though, as if it makes a difference...

*shrug* If you want to vote this way, that's cool.

Sorry for the indifference, I'm hung up over whom I want to vote for now. Ilya is certainly appealing for pervious reasons I've mentioned already (repeating is annoying, frankly), but so are a few others.

Plus, a little bit of difference on the take of things between base and representative would more than likely force others and I to have an opinion. Especially if said representative acted in a way that I dissagreed with.
I'm liking the idea of a healthy dose of friction as a self-help. It might seem a gamble, but I guess that's what I get for working at a casino.

++Boro88 for Representative

I've always liked Boro88's level of common sense, even if it's not exactly how I or whom I trust as innocent see the situation. Plus, I agree with his point of action on that representatives are not going to morph into something completely different just because they have their own playing field later on.

Habits taken in, I'm horribly notorious for being an observer and probably too cautious. It definately works some of the time, but I like the idea of my representative taking a risk, and thus making myself more involved and opiniated. I'm not definate of anyone's real role just yet, but I know if something bothers me enough I form more of an action and want to help problem-solve.


Okay, I have to leave for work and bring food to poker players. Later.

~ Ka

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Notable occurrences:

Agan and Greenie making Brinniel a representative. I was actually leaning towards voting for her myself, but now it seems my vote won't be needed.
Greenie made a list, with which I agree, on some people.

Especially phantom.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not nearly as anti-Phantom as I usually am, because he's been making good points and asking fair questions. It just annoys me that the discussion becomes so very Phantom-o-centric. There are other issues and other people playing, after all.

There's also been some discussion on "weak" and "strong" reps. I think I am correct (though feel free to correct me) in saying that the Representative's power is based on how many votes he or she received; a Rep with 4 votes will have double the voting power than a Rep with only 2 votes.

Legate also made a list. What's odd is that he seems to be on very good terms with both Boromir and Phantom... a bit flip-floppy on Phantom, actually, based on his earlier attitude. I think Lommy's right about a possible Boro-Phantom-Legate triangle, but to what purpose? Surely they're not all wolves... are they?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

In this game the situation is a bit different in the way that we have 48 hours to post on any given Day. But if someone is not able to actually post anything "substantive" in 48 hours (or like within 10 pages of posting) I'd be even more inclined to vote those people out on the first Days. Unless that is if there are no better... (I just don't want to hear those certain arguments again for the hundreth time).

I agree with this, actually. In a game of this type, I think it's much more important to not let people slip under the radar. I think I could vote for Nogrod for rep today, but I'll keep looking.

I've noticed a couple of people have been thinking of voting me. Hooray, it makes me feel special. I'll use a seperate post as my "campaign" post, so as to not muck this one up.

Who's Immanuel Kent? I feel out of the loop.

Ka is one person I'm getting a weird feeling about. She hasn't said much, but I'd like to look at her later.

McCaber is also slipping nicely under my radar, but that's usual.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also, putting some quiet or really careful players into the representative government might ease our chances to have a take on them as they would then leave a definite mark of their stance. Yes, innocents can have it wrong but as the wolves know they are faking it they - at least some of them - could be caught that way.

I disagree. I don't think quiet players... hmm, I'm not sure how to put this without sounding mean. I'm not sure quiet players will have participated enough to know what is in the best interests of the village. Did that come out alright? I apologize if it didn't.

Originally Posted by Phantom

All told, I feel no need to campaign for the position of Rep. I'd be more comfortable in an advisory capacity.

In other words, you want to be the power behind the throne.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm fine with being made a Rep. I'm gonna be here for the deadline, and I promise, I won't arbitrarily vote Phantom (unless warranted ).

As for opinions, I really don't think quiet, unobtrusive players should get nearly as much leeway as they do in regular games. If you're not talking, you're not participating, and if you're not participating, you're not working for the good of the village.

[the phantom]

My read-through is being interrupted by something. That something is that I'm at work and must occasionally keep children from killing each other.

But I've finished Nog at least. So my updated read-through list-

Shasta- Despite his high number of posts, I am not able to form an opinion on him. I'd like to see a few more serious opinions from him. (He seems to be back now, and my opinion of him might change soon.)
Boromir- I have not received a full read on him yet, but his vibes thus far have been innocent.
Nogrod- I find myself suspecting him for no reason whatsoever, but he makes sense and his talk seems to make for a productive and thoughtful atmosphere, and so I am more than willing to push my weak feelings of mistrust aside for now.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by THE Ka

It might seem a gamble, but I guess that's what I get for working at a casino.

Casinos: the red man's revenge.

Ok, so toDay I am voting

++Nogrod

as my representative. I think he'd do a good job of keeping the quiet players on their toes, making the ranks of the sub-reindeer-sitters a less than safe place for a wolf to hide. This, at any rate, is my hope.