Tapestry of Dreams, Part 2 Discussion - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

mark12_30 · 11-11-2008, 03:51 PM

Done. Both TapestryBook1.txt and TapestryBook2.txt are now available.
TapestryBook1: 665 pages.

(0_0)

littlemanpoet · 11-11-2008, 04:13 PM

Okay, now what?

mark12_30 · 11-11-2008, 08:15 PM

I'm actually listening to the whole thing... starting waaaaayyyy back in the first posts: snowball fight and all. Ædegard just got mad because Mellon is acting like some great elf-lord..

THe tought part of listening to it in Microsoft Reader is, it doesna always pronounce TOlkien. FOr instance "Ædegard" -- it can't pronounce Æ, so it kinda just skips that, and then spells out d-e-g-a-r-d. Lorien comes out Loreen. Morien comes out Moreen. And Raefindan comes out Rae- FINE-dan instead of Rae-fin-dan.

Every now and then I can ignore things, but I've got to fix Raefindan and Ædegard.

GLobal changes coming. I wonder if I spell it Aedegard if it will pronounce it properly. Kinda hate to do that, but... ANd how do I fix Raefindan? Hyphenate it? Rae-fin-dan?

So.. what'snext. I'm remembering things. SHould I continue listening to the whole thing? Or should I skip ahead to the second book (but I'm having FUN listening to the whole thing...)

mark12_30 · 11-11-2008, 09:17 PM

Your next post is gonna be 6000.

Dude.

littlemanpoet · 11-12-2008, 08:54 PM

Okay, so here it is. Listen to the whole thing. Enjoy it. Then let us know how you want to proceed. There. So much for post # 6000. That was anti-climactic.

mark12_30 · 11-13-2008, 05:04 AM

Aw, now I feel guilty for wasting your 6000th post.

littlemanpoet · 11-13-2008, 10:48 AM

How did YOU waste my 6,000th post? That's my job, not yours. Do away with false guilt - it does you no good.

littlemanpoet · 02-21-2009, 09:35 PM

Well, I made an attempt. Let me know if I need to change anything.

mark12_30 · 02-22-2009, 07:13 PM

I like it! Indil's fun will open Nimrodel up, til she is ready to look anywhere to find the missing song. We can hunt the song for a while longer if you like!

littlemanpoet · 02-22-2009, 07:22 PM

I just added three more paragraphs. Have a peek.

You know, Helen, reading the story from post to post is a different experience than reading each entry days apart as it builds. I find it quite moving, bringing tears of sympathy and joy. I'm actually finding myself in sympathy with both Nimrodel and Amroth, which I couldn't quite accomplish in the post by post build.

EDIT: I just read your most recent post. That's exactly what I thought of doing next!

But now what?

mark12_30 · 02-22-2009, 07:36 PM

Alak's turn, I think. I'm heading towards the brink more quickly than I thought! What else do we need to wrap up...?

I know what you mean about reading through it; I experienced something similar. I love how you bring Faerie in.

littlemanpoet · 02-22-2009, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark12_30

I love how you bring Faerie in.

Thanks. I have to, can't help it.

Okay, Alak's turn.

There's simply nothing like collaborative writing with writers who share a vision.

mark12_30 · 02-24-2009, 11:03 AM

Formendacil...? You there?

Are you interested in posting?

Formendacil · 02-24-2009, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark12_30

Formendacil...? You there?

Are you interested in posting?

Erm... sort of... to both questions...

I'll have to get back to you after Ash Wednesday. The next couple days are crazy.

littlemanpoet · 03-03-2009, 05:56 AM

Just to let you know - I've been a little at a loss concerning Mithrellas, so I've been reading page 4 over again - and then page 5 - to get a sense of what's been happening with her and others. So I'm not gone, just rekindling.

littlemanpoet · 03-05-2009, 05:54 AM

I've rediscovered a couple of loose threads to pick up and tie back into the plot:

1. Bergil promised to be Indil's guardian and take her back to Minas Tirith. That serves as an interesting point of contention/conflict vis a vie Raefindan and Mithrellas being ready to adopt Indil as their child.

2. The ghosts of Indil's parents have been said to also be in this vale.

This is not a rediscovered point, but a new idea: Raefindan places Tharonwe in the alternate dell so that he can face his freed captive and she face her former captor - how might that affect Amroth's quest???

mark12_30 · 03-06-2009, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

I've rediscovered a couple of loose threads to pick up and tie back into the plot:

1. Bergil promised to be Indil's guardian and take her back to Minas Tirith. That serves as an interesting point of contention/conflict vis a vie Raefindan and Mithrellas being ready to adopt Indil as their child.

2. The ghosts of Indil's parents have been said to also be in this vale.

This is not a rediscovered point, but a new idea: Raefindan places Tharonwe in the alternate dell so that he can face his freed captive and she face her former captor - how might that affect Amroth's quest???

Good observations-- both Bergil and Indil's parents had been niggling at the back of my mind, but nevertheless neglected.

Tell me more about Raefindan, Tharonwe, and "the alternate dell".

She's not quite free yet-- she's a child again, but not yet a free woman. It remains for her to find that one certain song, and the only one who truly remembers it is Amroth. She has to decide to investigate him first, and trust him.

littlemanpoet · 03-06-2009, 10:43 AM

Okay, the Tharonwë in the "dell" thing runs in my mind like this.

Raefindan is looking at Tharonwé not only as enemy to be defeated but as fallen Elf who could repent and be restored. Not saying that will necessarily happen - that's just how Roy thinks about it. So he has motivation to make Tharonwë face the one person his life has been obssessed with for centuries. The obvious problem is that this may not be good for Nimrodel, and may not be good for Tharonwë/Maegeleb.

But it might be good for both. It's somewhat analagous to the Garden of Eden except that Eve was not separated from Adam for centuries; however there is the triangular relationship going on.

So let's say that Thar. is sent there by Rae. What does he see? He sees Nimrodel as the beautiful young maiden he had fallen for in the first place. She also sees Amroth reaching out to her. Naturally, he will fall for her again and try to win her in place of Amroth. Her reaction could go a few different ways: she could reject Thar and turn to Amroth. Or she could reject Amroth and turn to Thar. Or reject both and turn into herself.

However, the three are not alone in the dell. Indil/Angela is there. Aeron and Gwyll are there. Jorje is there. Who they know these three to be will affect the outcome.

Can Thar repent? Maybe, maybe not. But Rae sees no other way for it to be a possibility. Or at least, I don't.

There may be other dimensions to this that I haven't thought of, so what do you think?

mark12_30 · 03-09-2009, 09:19 AM

Hmmm. Maybe Tharonwe's innate eeerminess is what drives Nimrodel to one last, desperate plunge into the mind of the blacksmith, to see if there is a stream-song there. And she discovers a golden king.

Could work.

Where's alak? We need something from Erebemlin.

mark12_30 · 11-19-2008, 12:05 PM

Was reading a web page on Stonehenge and came across this :

Quote:

...4000.... to 2000 BC...

"...more trhan 40, 000 megalithic sites have survived in the British Isles, this number exceeding the number of modern towns and villages, and yet ony a small percentage of these have been thoroughly studied."

Seems obvious, to me on the surface, that all them Numenorean monuments-- Orthanc, Minas Ithil and Minas Anor, and the big statues (what are they called again?) on the Anduin... and wasn't the Morannon (Black Gate) built by Numenoreans, and then cheerfully taken over by Sauron...? Anyway, it all seems to connect somehow. But hare there already threads about that? I was going to start a new one but decided I'd check with trusty friends first.... comments?

littlemanpoet · 11-19-2008, 04:46 PM

You're thinking of the Argonath.

I don't know if there are any threads on it. I haven't been involved in any forum discussions for about a year.

Might want to check with Estelyn.

mark12_30 · 12-11-2008, 08:08 AM

Okay, I finished reading both books. I'm feeling ready, but no posts yet; I'm going on vacatoin over Christmas, and maybe that's the block. How about mid-January, or February, we buckle down and finish this?

You know I hate to.

Anybody that also wants to write an epilog for your character(s), I've found it cleans things up very well. Appendices can be added to the book proper or can be put in the discussion thread.

For The Lonely Star, I put in appendix for Phura and Gamba, and it pulled the book into the legendarium and (I thought) into The Fairy Wife as well. So: lmp, it seems to me you would want to do that for Roy Edwards Raefindan. Please feel free in the appendix to tie it clearly to wherever it goes, including TID or whatever other works you have.

I suspect a few of my characters will need it, although I won't know which ones til it's over. I suspect Mellonin and Ravion won't need much more; I'll make their future plan as part of the story.

Liornung, Ædegard, Leafa, Bella, Nethwador-- what hapens to them? Do we put that in the story or in an appendix?

Erebemlin definitely needs his happily ever after. I'd like to see that for Taitheneb, too. And of course, Indil must have a good home.

Heh. Maybe she goes to live with Erebemlin and Marigold.

littlemanpoet · 12-11-2008, 10:55 AM

Hmmm... everything seems right except that Raefindan and Mithrellas already intend to adopt Indil, seeing as she's already a part of their family though many generations removed, not to mention Angela's connection to Roy.

I can wait as long as you like, seeing as this may be that time be the only thing I'm still doing here. I'm even wrapping up my involvement at Scarburg soon.

mark12_30 · 12-12-2008, 03:20 PM

Oh, okay. That's fine. I had forgotten.

Wait. Raefindan and Mithrellas... Whoa. now THAT's a happily ever after.

If you told me that one I didn't get it at the time.

Cool.

mark12_30 · 02-19-2009, 09:25 AM

We have a game with a tree, a king, a singing stream, and a missing girl....

11-11-2008, 03:51 PM	#1
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Done. Both TapestryBook1.txt and TapestryBook2.txt are now available. TapestryBook1: 665 pages. (0_0) __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

11-11-2008, 08:15 PM	#3
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	I'm actually listening to the whole thing... starting waaaaayyyy back in the first posts: snowball fight and all. Ædegard just got mad because Mellon is acting like some great elf-lord.. THe tought part of listening to it in Microsoft Reader is, it doesna always pronounce TOlkien. FOr instance "Ædegard" -- it can't pronounce Æ, so it kinda just skips that, and then spells out d-e-g-a-r-d. Lorien comes out Loreen. Morien comes out Moreen. And Raefindan comes out Rae- FINE-dan instead of Rae-fin-dan. Every now and then I can ignore things, but I've got to fix Raefindan and Ædegard. GLobal changes coming. I wonder if I spell it Aedegard if it will pronounce it properly. Kinda hate to do that, but... ANd how do I fix Raefindan? Hyphenate it? Rae-fin-dan? So.. what'snext. I'm remembering things. SHould I continue listening to the whole thing? Or should I skip ahead to the second book (but I'm having FUN listening to the whole thing...) __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

11-11-2008, 09:17 PM	#4
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Your next post is gonna be 6000. Dude. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

11-12-2008, 08:54 PM	#5
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Post # 6000 Okay, so here it is. Listen to the whole thing. Enjoy it. Then let us know how you want to proceed. There. So much for post # 6000. That was anti-climactic.

11-13-2008, 05:04 AM	#6
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Aw, now I feel guilty for wasting your 6000th post. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

11-11-2008, 04:13 PM	#2
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Okay, now what?

11-13-2008, 10:48 AM	#7
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	How did YOU waste my 6,000th post? That's my job, not yours. Do away with false guilt - it does you no good.

02-21-2009, 09:35 PM	#8
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Well, I made an attempt. Let me know if I need to change anything.

02-22-2009, 07:13 PM	#9
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	I like it! Indil's fun will open Nimrodel up, til she is ready to look anywhere to find the missing song. We can hunt the song for a while longer if you like! __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

02-22-2009, 07:22 PM	#10
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I just added three more paragraphs. Have a peek. You know, Helen, reading the story from post to post is a different experience than reading each entry days apart as it builds. I find it quite moving, bringing tears of sympathy and joy. I'm actually finding myself in sympathy with both Nimrodel and Amroth, which I couldn't quite accomplish in the post by post build. EDIT: I just read your most recent post. That's exactly what I thought of doing next! But now what? Last edited by littlemanpoet; 02-22-2009 at 07:28 PM.

02-22-2009, 07:36 PM	#11
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Alak's turn, I think. I'm heading towards the brink more quickly than I thought! What else do we need to wrap up...? I know what you mean about reading through it; I experienced something similar. I love how you bring Faerie in. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

02-24-2009, 11:03 AM	#13
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Formendacil...? You there? Are you interested in posting? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

03-03-2009, 05:56 AM	#15
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Just to let you know - I've been a little at a loss concerning Mithrellas, so I've been reading page 4 over again - and then page 5 - to get a sense of what's been happening with her and others. So I'm not gone, just rekindling.

03-05-2009, 05:54 AM	#16
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I've rediscovered a couple of loose threads to pick up and tie back into the plot: 1. Bergil promised to be Indil's guardian and take her back to Minas Tirith. That serves as an interesting point of contention/conflict vis a vie Raefindan and Mithrellas being ready to adopt Indil as their child. 2. The ghosts of Indil's parents have been said to also be in this vale. This is not a rediscovered point, but a new idea: Raefindan places Tharonwe in the alternate dell so that he can face his freed captive and she face her former captor - how might that affect Amroth's quest???

03-06-2009, 10:43 AM	#18
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Okay, the Tharonwë in the "dell" thing runs in my mind like this. Raefindan is looking at Tharonwé not only as enemy to be defeated but as fallen Elf who could repent and be restored. Not saying that will necessarily happen - that's just how Roy thinks about it. So he has motivation to make Tharonwë face the one person his life has been obssessed with for centuries. The obvious problem is that this may not be good for Nimrodel, and may not be good for Tharonwë/Maegeleb. But it might be good for both. It's somewhat analagous to the Garden of Eden except that Eve was not separated from Adam for centuries; however there is the triangular relationship going on. So let's say that Thar. is sent there by Rae. What does he see? He sees Nimrodel as the beautiful young maiden he had fallen for in the first place. She also sees Amroth reaching out to her. Naturally, he will fall for her again and try to win her in place of Amroth. Her reaction could go a few different ways: she could reject Thar and turn to Amroth. Or she could reject Amroth and turn to Thar. Or reject both and turn into herself. However, the three are not alone in the dell. Indil/Angela is there. Aeron and Gwyll are there. Jorje is there. Who they know these three to be will affect the outcome. Can Thar repent? Maybe, maybe not. But Rae sees no other way for it to be a possibility. Or at least, I don't. There may be other dimensions to this that I haven't thought of, so what do you think? Last edited by littlemanpoet; 02-11-2011 at 10:34 AM.

03-09-2009, 09:19 AM	#19
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Hmmm. Maybe Tharonwe's innate eeerminess is what drives Nimrodel to one last, desperate plunge into the mind of the blacksmith, to see if there is a stream-song there. And she discovers a golden king. Could work. Where's alak? We need something from Erebemlin. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

11-19-2008, 04:46 PM	#21
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	You're thinking of the Argonath. I don't know if there are any threads on it. I haven't been involved in any forum discussions for about a year. Might want to check with Estelyn.

12-11-2008, 08:08 AM	#22
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Okay, I finished reading both books. I'm feeling ready, but no posts yet; I'm going on vacatoin over Christmas, and maybe that's the block. How about mid-January, or February, we buckle down and finish this? You know I hate to. Anybody that also wants to write an epilog for your character(s), I've found it cleans things up very well. Appendices can be added to the book proper or can be put in the discussion thread. For The Lonely Star, I put in appendix for Phura and Gamba, and it pulled the book into the legendarium and (I thought) into The Fairy Wife as well. So: lmp, it seems to me you would want to do that for Roy Edwards Raefindan. Please feel free in the appendix to tie it clearly to wherever it goes, including TID or whatever other works you have. I suspect a few of my characters will need it, although I won't know which ones til it's over. I suspect Mellonin and Ravion won't need much more; I'll make their future plan as part of the story. Liornung, Ædegard, Leafa, Bella, Nethwador-- what hapens to them? Do we put that in the story or in an appendix? Erebemlin definitely needs his happily ever after. I'd like to see that for Taitheneb, too. And of course, Indil must have a good home. Heh. Maybe she goes to live with Erebemlin and Marigold. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve. Last edited by mark12_30; 12-12-2008 at 03:21 PM. Reason: spelling.

12-11-2008, 10:55 AM	#23
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Hmmm... everything seems right except that Raefindan and Mithrellas already intend to adopt Indil, seeing as she's already a part of their family though many generations removed, not to mention Angela's connection to Roy. I can wait as long as you like, seeing as this may be that time be the only thing I'm still doing here. I'm even wrapping up my involvement at Scarburg soon.

12-12-2008, 03:20 PM	#24
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Oh, okay. That's fine. I had forgotten. Wait. Raefindan and Mithrellas... Whoa. now THAT's a happily ever after. If you told me that one I didn't get it at the time. Cool. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

02-19-2009, 09:25 AM	#25
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	We have a game with a tree, a king, a singing stream, and a missing girl.... __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.