Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Boromir88]

If he manages to convince me to take my eyes off of him, even just a little bit, then he has helped the village, for the whole point is to come to suspect Werewolves, not Ordos.~the phantom

Yes, that's the reason I like going for the full frontal assault, lots of suspicion directed at someone can end up clearing their name. Though sometimes I really do get carried away and am in a driver's seat with the blinders on.

If you're a wolf this looks almost like mockery, "Keep suspecting innocents with such fury, mwa-ha-ha"!~Agan

That's called paranoia darling, and it's quite understandable, I don't suspect some tea leaves will end up calming some of that down? Also, I fully am aware that what I have just done is the same exact thing that I suspected you yesterday after backing off Lommy. I'm hypocritical, what can I say? But, werewolf I am not.

Edit: crossed with Agan.

[Boromir88]

I'm "hovering"? And I'm "behind the scenes"?~the phantom

I think what Lommy is trying to say is while you are in no way whatsoever quiet, and there is no question you are the most vocal player, you're not overly committing towards any one way...well if that makes sense.

Or let me put it this way, you're around a lot, giving lots and lots of information but you're holding back a bit. Thus, you're "behind the scenes," you know...doing all the prep work.

But hey, like I said earlier, if you want to do all the homework keep going, makes my day a lot easier. No one should take your word for it, and just so you know (although I doubt I have to tell you this) when something strikes me, I double check to make sure you're not manipulating anything for some evil purpose...but yes I have to say it's served me extremely well as far as focusing and organizing, and I don't have to spend hours rummaging through the pages on where I thought I saw something suspicious/odd/innocent, whatever it is.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

Or let me put it this way, you're around a lot, giving lots and lots of information but you're holding back a bit.

Oh, you think that's what she meant? Well then, to that all I can say is- yeah. I am holding back thoughts. And you oughta be darn thankful that I am. Some things shouldn't be said.

Originally Posted by Boro

I double check to make sure you're not manipulating anything for some evil purpose

"For some evil purpose" being the key phrase here, because I absolutely am manipulating. I've said certain things about certain people to manipulate. But the key is, why? The answer- I'm trying to plant certain ideas with the WWs that will not benefit them. And the fact that I said that won't even help them figure out what things I'm talking about.

[Nerwen]

I have to go now, and may not be back in time to vote later.

So I will return the compliment:

++Lommy for rep

Because I'm thinking of her as likely innocent right now, and she usually has good judgement. I also would prefer to see a change of government.

EDIT: x'd since Boro at 539.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I think what Lommy is trying to say is while you are in no way whatsoever quiet, and there is no question you are the most vocal player, you're not overly committing towards any one way...well if that makes sense.

Or let me put it this way, you're around a lot, giving lots and lots of information but you're holding back a bit. Thus, you're "behind the scenes," you know...doing all the prep work.

But hey, like I said earlier, if you want to do all the homework keep going, makes my day a lot easier. No one should take your word for it, and just so you know (although I doubt I have to tell you this) when something strikes me, I double check to make sure you're not manipulating anything for some evil purpose...but yes I have to say it's served me extremely well as far as focusing and organizing, and I don't have to spend hours rummaging through the pages on where I thought I saw something suspicious/odd/innocent, whatever it is.

Another word is puppetmaster...you don't really see him but he is controlling the show. I think that what Lommy feels and I do too to a degree.

[Nogrod]

I managed to peak in during the morning and will have a few comments on something there. Then I'm going to read what has been said after that.

And just fyi I'm sharing the computer with Greenie tonight (RL) so we will be posting in something like turns.

I don't know if you have come to a conclusion about McCaber being killed or not but to me it looks very puzzling indeed. And it makes me wonder. Why not tp? Why not Boro? Why not me? (add any player you think being a major threat to the wolves). There is no ranger so they roam free at Nights. So why not?

So Boro and tp and Lommy / Aganzir... (add your favourite wolf's bane here) are wolves and they let me live to see the other Day (just to attack me... it seems...)? It would sure be in the wolves' interest to get down players who'd threathen them. But they didn't.

And as the suggestion of there being those wolves looks a bit improbable I must think the wolves were actually after a seer. Even if it's Fea's game I'm not just ready to believe that he would have picked tp and Boro as wolves together with Lommy or Agan... or morm / Kath (if it's Fea who picks them)?

Which doesn't mean one of them wouldn't be a wolf... or two? I just can't believe they all are.

Maybe she could pull out that kind of thing?

But what's the other possibility?

If they thought of him as the seer? That would make sense... in a way. Killing the seer surely is the number one thing for the wolves. I have been a wolf enough many times to know what is the first priority of the wolves. But in this case I'm not too happy about this explanation either as I can't see anything seerish in McCaber's posting as it's more like his normal submarine-behaviour. But neither can I figure out a third way at this point.

[the phantom]

Boro, if you're around, could you do me a favor? Read this section I'm quoting from Nog and tell me if it reminds you strongly of anything.

It did me, but I worry that it is simply because I am biased in favor of not trusting Nog at this time, therefore anything he says is incriminating, where as if I found him innocent initially his post would instead convince me further of innocence.

Anyway, what do you think of this-

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I don't know if you have come to a conclusion about McCaber being killed or not but to me it looks very puzzling indeed. And it makes me wonder. Why not tp? Why not Boro? Why not me? (add any player you think being a major threat to the wolves). There is no ranger so they roam free at Nights. So why not?

So Boro and tp and Lommy / Aganzir... (add your favourite wolf's bane here) are wolves and they let me live to see the other Day (just to attack me... it seems...)? It would sure be in the wolves' interest to get down players who'd threathen them. But they didn't.

[mormegil]

Where is Shasta today? He had the second highest count yesterday and today he's nowhere to be found. I don't remember him mentioning that he would be gone.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Where is Shasta today? He had the second highest count yesterday and today he's nowhere to be found. I don't remember him mentioning that he would be gone.

Paper tech today. I'll be around in a few hours.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Mith

I would say that we are all, all woman, all of the time.

Glad to hear it.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

Reminds me of an old argument...hmm, maybe I can come up with another Downerism, because I know this aggravated SpM greatly. The argument that if SpM wasn't dead by Night 3 he was obviously a wolf, because wolves would not leave around an innocent SpM.

Yeah, that's the rule I had in mind in our WW game (WW X). We felt that we had to come up with a reason for the two of us to still be alive late into the game, so we left alive Kuru as well and then on the thread "wondered" why the WWs weren't killing any of us.

EDIT: x-post Boro

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Glad to hear it.

I am sure you never doubted any of us

[Boromir88]

tp, you might have crossed with my last post, because after some further thought, I believe I eventually thought the same...I guess my memory just nearly isn't as good as yours...

[Boromir88]

I'll save you the trouble of looking. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. I wasn't sure, so I jumped in with everybody else.~Ilya

That's understandable, it's difficult to tell the difference between a bandwagoning wolf and an innocent who was convinced by someone else's arguments. That's why wolves bandwagon, because telling the difference between the two is near impossible. Although, the fact is bandwagoning is a sign of wolvish-ness and therefor anyone who does it should automatically be looked at.

I will also say you are quite the sweet talker, but I'm still a little wary. Because it either means you're genuine, innocent, or maybe you aren't as new to this as you are trying to convince people that you are?

Ok, I hope you can follow that last question, more of a rhetorical one from me though.

Why not tp? Why not Boro?~Nogrod

Well, I would move to pass the motion that since neither tp, nor myself died on Night 1, that Shasta and Mith are both in the clear.

[Boromir88]

It did me, but I worry that it is simply because I am biased in favor of not trusting Nog at this time, therefore anything he says is incriminating,~the phantom

Not exactly sure why you're asking me, I wouldn't be the most unbiased person to ask, because my strategies and styles have been absolutely warped by you, but anyway I will tell you what it reminds me of...

Reminds me of when you are a wolf, how you absolutely love to dangle "answers" right out in the hopeless innocents' faces, without leading them to the correct answer.

Like I said though, I'm probably not the best person you can ask, for a fair opinion...hmm too bad Agan left. Morm? Ilya?

[Boromir88]

And some more thoughts in response to you, tp....

Reminds me of an old argument...hmm, maybe I can come up with another Downerism, because I know this aggravated SpM greatly. The argument that if SpM wasn't dead by Night 3 he was obviously a wolf, because wolves would not leave around an innocent SpM.

So, he uses this argument and lumps several "wolf-banes" together, and out of them, he's obviously the innocent one, who is now being singled out. However, it's peculiar that he doesn't point out the possibility that McCaber was a safe kill for wolves, because he wouldn't leave a trail. Why did you leave out that possibility Nogrod? Did you leave it out, because you realized it would be completely conflicting with your argument about why one of the "wolf-banes" wasn't killed last night?

[the phantom]

Meh... guess it's not that obvious then.

What it reminded me of is the way I talked about Kuru in the game where you and I were WWs. I tried to lump myself into a small group with him and talk about why the WWs weren't killing us, and come up with reasons for it. Anyway...

EDIT: x-posted Boro and Mith

[Mithalwen]

[QUOTE=Nogrod;573476] Even if it's Fea's game I'm not just ready to believe that he would have picked [/QUOTE]

On behalf of the moddesses, I would say that we are all, all woman, all of the time. The fact that the computer system at work calls me Andrew is completly irrelevant.

The other moddesses are free to confirm or deny this. Or not.

[Nogrod]

Then just a few thoughts on those posts I felt kind of bad from the early hours of the Day.

Originally Posted by tp

Nog- I can't trust the guy at all. All of his dynamics talk seems like he's talking about that because he sure as heck can't talk about suspects

Now tp, you're either an innocent who tries to insult me saying that as a wolf I couldn't come up with a case out from nothing. Dear sir, please! Hit and try as hard as you can - that's the only way to find out who's who / what - but that one's bad, really. Somehow, coming from you, I really can't believe my eyes.

Or then you are a wolf trying to bring forwards suspicion on me to get rid of me "sportily" in the broad Daylight? Somehow I'd think you would have come up with a better idea.

So I can't quite believe that either. *baffled*

The same goes with the next one.

Originally Posted by tp

His support for Boro and I at times reminded me of the way I've treated other loudmouths as a WW.

You know it as well as I do that neither you or me, or Boro, or Lommy, or... would vote a contributing player out on Day1 unless there was a severe case to be made against that one. You argued yourself yesterDay that there are some people you just wished to have around - not because you think them innocent but because you'd like to have them around to see what they think. It's much easier (and more fun & challenging) to try to figure out someone who's there out in the open than just blindly guessing on someone who doesn't post or say anything (and it's not the number of posts but the content of them: two Nerwen's beat 11 MCCaber's... anyDay - sorry McCaber, one shouldn't talk bad on the the dead, but looking at your posts on Day1 kind of underlines that if you look at them content-wise).

So how come you tp think that if I act in the same way as you do it makes me look suspicious? What does it say of you?

Knowing what you're cabable of I must say I'm disappointed to you as a wolf. And it would be an insult if you were an innocent thinking me a possible wolf with this. What are you up to? Fea didn't talk of there being cobblers...


The other thing then:

Originally Posted by Boro

Ok, Gwath says Nog will keep the quiet ones on their toes, Gwath hasn't posted a lot...ya it's contradictory, but talk about a real weak (I would even call bogus) accusation of wolvish-ness.

Then he credits Gwath for questioning the phantom. What is it that teachers like to do now...the compliment sandwhich? This is really good, wow you suck here, but oh this is nice.

Ten points for the teacher-thing. I can absolutely see myself there...

But on the Gwath-suspicion. Sadly you left out the real point - or was it on purpose? I kind of remember you used a sig saying something like "for your safety and my sanity read all the thread"!!!

What I said about Gwath was this (talking from the devil's advocate point of view that is):

Originally Posted by me on #370

Like: "I know he tends to go after the submarines in the early Days so why not vote him to be a rep and say that the vote is for keeping an eye to the non-posters" - at the same time rubbing me the right way to make me choose someone else from the quiet-ones instead. So if he thought I was going after the more silent people anyway (and there was a good chance I was going to be voted as a rep anyhow looking at the posts before that point of the game) what would have been a better way to avoid my eye (well, it was a bad way if that was what was intended as I noticed it... a good try? )?

Let's spell it out then...

Think of Gwath as a wolf (take the devil's advocate point of view).

He knows I'm one of the loudest proponents of lynching the enigmatic people out on the first Days as it will get tougher Day by Day and the number of submarines may decide the whole game in the end.

He realises he's one of the possible targets (I've gotten him lynched pretty early a time or two on Day1 or 2).

So what does he think as he sees many people seem to trust me and I might be on my way to being a representative thus adding to his anguish (he is a wolf in this scenario, mind you)?

He makes a decent try by voting me to be his representative so that I would feel good about it and leave him out from my possible list of "lynching the quiets" because he trusted me! This is the point I voted for him, not that it was a contradicition.

Sorry Boro, but I get the feel that you are as well either disparaging my intelligence seriously or you are just throwing things forwards without actually reading the thread. Or then you're a wolf trying to get something on someone who is an innocent but make a pretty bad performance with it.

And I'm having serious hardship in trying to believe any of the possibilities.


And the last thing. You Boro say I'm giving pressure to Legate while voting Gwath - and that makes me suspicious.

I never vote Legate on Day1, neither I vote you, or tp, or Lommy or... unless there is a major case behind the suspicion. You know it. (and if not look up there for the explanation)

But what I'm used to is to kind of give all my last thoughts forwards before I go as I don't know whether I'm alive when the next Day comes. So I pointed to the fact that I suspected Legate for that "doing a Legate 180" and when I saw the Star Wars -thing I thought it noteworthy enough to point it out (I was wrong, yes; but had he been a wolf and I had not pointed to that one, I would have cursed aloud if I had been killed the last Night and Legate had gone on winning the game while I had noticed that little thing but had not voiced it).

I like your "cut the crap" -attitude Boro, but this is not it. Not the least as you were one of those who actually lynched Legate.

Are you trying to whitewash yourself? Turning the attention to others from your own guilt? Couldn't resist lynching an innocent loudmouth who could be on your way? Got a trophy from lynching Legate?


It's Day2 now and we're getting something more solid to base our thoughts on, btw.

Okay I'll let Greenie in but then I will look at the rest of the posting toDay.

Me, slow? Really?


EDIT: X'd with hundreds... and still not read even a third of toDay's posting... and leaving the PC to Greenie for a while. I'm catcjhing up though... but slowly.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

Now tp, you're either an innocent who tries to insult me saying that as a wolf I couldn't come up with a case out from nothing.

Wrong. That comment meant that you couldn't come up with anything because there wasn't in truth anything to come up with. I never said that you couldn't fake it in a believable way.

I think you're misunderstanding my distrust of you. I'm suspecting you not on any sort of slip, or logical contradiction, but rather on the attitude that I am attempting to read behind your posts. Two people can say the same exact thing and have entirely different attitudes.

Example:
Person 1 and 2 both voice suspicion of person 3. But when I read their posts I interpret them like this-
1- I'm an Ordo that doesn't know who to suspect. Right now Person 3 looks suspicious to me.
2- I'm a WW and I want you to lynch wrong. Person 3 looks like a good target.

Originally Posted by Nog

You know it as well as I do that neither you or me, or Boro, or Lommy, or... would vote a contributing player out on Day1 unless there was a severe case to be made against that one.

Indeed. I'm not suspecting you for not going after or voting for one of us on Day 1. I'm suspecting you because when I read what you say it reminds me of what I'd say if I were a WW.

That's what all this is based on Nog- what I'm hearing behind the words. I could be completely wrong, because no two people think exactly alike. If I can I'm going to go back to a game in which you are innocent and read it a bit and see if I can get a better feel of how you talk and such.

I'm not ready to hang you now, but I don't trust you enough to make you a Rep either. We'll see as the day unfolds which way I am swayed.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Elaborate on more tense and more stressed than usual.
And tell me why I belong to Worried-category if I no longer give you innocent vibes. Isn't there a grey zone as well, or am I so suspicious that ony those innocent vibes kept you from defining me as downright suspicious right away?

I'm sorry, dear, but it's difficult to elaborate on a general feeling you get from someone's posts. Somehow you seem more touchy and much quicker to retaliate to anything that even mildly concerns you. (Actually the quote above is quite a good example.) As for the worried-category - you might want to notice that it was "worried about", not "downright suspicious" -category. There is a huge difference. Let's make it clear: my "worried about" -category practically means the people I'm not ready to call innocent and people I want to keep an eye on. If it was "I suspect these people" -category, I would have named it as such. Trust me.

Originally Posted by Agan

My suspicion list is now as follows (in no particular order):
Ilya
Eönwë
Greenie
Lommy (not that I'm actively suspecting her, I just want to keep an eye on her)
Nog (keeping an eye on him until I have time to go through his posts)
Nerwen (I agree with morm's latest about her - planning to go through her posts when I have time anyway)

Just for change, please elaborate on why exactly I am on your suspicion list.


EDIT: x-ed with no one!! Now what is this?

[A Little Green]

Awh, this is just my luck. Now that I'm online, the discussion has momentarily ceased. Blah. I suppose I have to keep it going, then...

Just some random thoughts. First of all, I think Nogrod's behaviour toDay has been quite odd. He seems somehow very aggressive (ahem - I mean, more than usual ) and seems to get heated very easily. The way he reacts to tp's and Boro's posts about him looks really like overreacting and playing the martyr to me. That over-confident "you say this about me, which I don't like, so you are either wolf or stupid: and because I know you can do better and are not stupid, it means you are a wolf!" -attitude doesn't sit right with me. Also, I still don't like his traditional "you know I'm not the kind of player who does that" -argument.

Other than that, I've been mildly annoyed by the "veterans" speaking about past games. Ok, I know that the topic can't be avoided and all, and that it's useless to play WW if we can't take advantage of our past experiences, but using them as arguments is not nice. They might be efficient arguments in themselves but are a bit difficult to follow if truth be told.

Oh, don't I sound grumpy. I don't like this, I'm annoyed by that. As if there was nothing I like in this game...

Well. I'll probably vote for a rep soon and then go to sleep. I really don't feel like staying up late tonight.

Please please cross-post with someone!!


EDIT: morm and Boro, I love you!

[THE Ka]

McCabber seems more of a safe and untraceable kill, due to his level of appearance in the game. There are obviously a few others the wolves could have gone after if they just wanted to make our heads turn and go, “Whaa-?”, but using McCabber as a kill brings up a different position. As if they were out of ideas, but not yet ready to go after louder players, or any that were in a two-on-two argument yesterday. Thus preventing the survivor of the tizzy from going after them. That kill would be too close for comfort for our wolves, since I’m guessing they have at least one at the loudspeaker, one on the floor passing out comments, and the rest hiding out in different voting groups.

Originally Posted by Lommy

sally - can't really say much about her, except that she doesn't strike me as particularily innocentish and I don't understand why so many people consider her innocent.

Definitely have to agree with that. I remember what a Sally wolf is. Though, if she was a wolf this time, she either is taking the role of a lurker, or is up to something else which I have no clue what and why. Or, she’s innocent, and just busy.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Nerwen - has given me reason to suspect her. Also, her slip about the ranger looks innocent.

That too. If anything the wolves would have ingrained it into their skulls that there is only the seer as a gifted in their way, and probably are still doing a dance over it. Looks like a genuine innocentish move to m’self, or Nerwen is having fun with our expectations. Though, I’m far more inclined to think she’s innocent this time, given her posting style, that and she doesn’t give me any bad vibes.


Fea!!!!!
So I take it Phantom is ready for his own talkshow?

Originally Posted by Greenie

The Ka - Now if Nerwen is sneaky, then what is Ka? (answer: very sneaky.)

… Can I avoid libel and borrow Agan’s old title of: Scary?

So far I’m leaning towards a different pick in government this time, but I’d definitely like to see Boro88 again from the older batch of representatives. It’s hard for me to suspect him, and his vote from last time can mean a mistake or either a good bandwagon, but I think it will definitely be different this time.
As for a new rep, I’m looking at either Nerwen or Lommy. Slightly more the latter. Even with the argument between Aganzir, I’m not seeing a wolf or wolves trying to cast opinions around, but two innocents, with Lommy looking more so.
This second Day she’s shown a level of interest and ability in the game that I value in a representative, and hopefully with her reason can make sure we avoid another incident as yesterday, so…

++Lommy for Representative

[Boromir88]

But on the Gwath-suspicion. Sadly you left out the real point - or was it on purpose? I kind of remember you used a sig saying something like "for your safety and my sanity read all the thread"!!!~Nogrod

I don't believe I left out anything important, I quoted your point about Gwath's contradiction and the devil's advocate line; I'm not going to quote you line by line here Nogrod, I would certainly hate to infringe on any type of copyright. Anyway, I'm not going to dive into this tit-for-tat, you're not reading what I'm saying stuff.

I said your case against Gwath was balogna. Period. And I thought it was very reasonable to ask why you continued to pressure Legate after you said you wouldn't be voting for him. Alright, you like to post your final thoughts before heading out, I know that, and concede it's normal for you. Normal doesn't mean you're not a wolf, and yes I guess that means it doesn't make you one either.

Anyway, I still call your vote for Gwath balogna. So, let me get this devil's advocate thing straight...you assumed if Gwath was a quiet wolf, and he knew you were going after the quiet players, than he would try to win your trust by voting for you as his rep? Also all that not wanting to lynch tp, me, legate...etc on Day 1 that you just love to feed everyone, ok got it. It's still balogna, because you assumed Gwath was a wolf and then carved out a reasoning to fit your assumption.

I'm also well aware that Lommy (and I believe Agan) originally threw out the idea that since McCaber died, they want to scream "Nogrod's a wolf." So, don't lecture me about not reading carefully. I just haven't said anything about it yet, because I wanted to get a response from you, and I can only do one thing at a time here.

I'm getting about as me-focused as the phantom here, because I thought after McCaber's death, crap the wolves are going to be coming after me, as at the end I made a case for why they should kill an innocent McCaber. Virtually, I signed his death warrant there...but really the opposite has happened. Lommy's said it makes me look innocent to her, Agan has voted me as a rep, and they both thought the death would point towards you. So, apparently if you're innocent, you're the one the wolves wanted to set up, or you're a wolf and killed McCaber.

Edit: crossed with Greenie and morm

[Nogrod]

Greenie went to sleep and I'm back.

Just the first ones to caught my attention (I really need to look at the thread better!).

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Anyway, I'm not going to dive into this tit-for-tat, you're not reading what I'm saying stuff.

Sorry, Boro, I appreciate your gaming a lot. And I'm always delighted to see you in a game I'm going to attend myself. But plese Mr. Boro, when you say my thoughts were "balogna" - whatever it is that word means - you should consider your own ones likewise. Why are you trying to twist this as I quite clearly answered you question that was something you hadn't read about (or had decided to ignore because it did not fit your interests of getting me lynched?)

I was not voting for Gwath because of the "contradictory" nature of his post but because of the possible intention behind it.

And I thought it a better idea than lynching Legate. Unlike you did...

Originally Posted by Boro

Alright, you like to post your final thoughts before heading out, I know that, and concede it's normal for you. Normal doesn't mean you're not a wolf, and yes I guess that means it doesn't make you one either.

Absolutely. As you said yourself. So why all the hassle? Because you thought you could get me lynched with it but had to concede it was not a case after all, right? Mr. smooth wolf?

Originally Posted by Boro

It's still balogna, because you assumed Gwath was a wolf and then carved out a reasoning to fit your assumption.

You are doing the very same thing Boro! You are looking at me with eyes keen seeing wolfy-moves in my posts like I did with Gwath yesterDay. So you can't kind of claim you are on the high-ground you seem to be trying to reach here... Indeed this makes me look at you even more suspiciously as I know that my vote was for keeping the informative players around while you decided to let the village be without one of it's most sharp-eyed players who could turn the tables...

So whose case was a "balogna"? No one has yet called you for it, has anyone?

Well, I'm calling you now. Why did you vote Legate?
(you may have answered this already and then I apologise and will look at your answer from there... I will get reading all said toDay after I stop writing this)

Originally Posted by Boro

I'm also well aware that Lommy (and I believe Agan) originally threw out the idea that since McCaber died, they want to scream "Nogrod's a wolf." So, don't lecture me about not reading carefully. I just haven't said anything about it yet,

X and Y said A is a wolf because of B. So don't lecture about me saying A is a wolf! I have not said anything on the matter!"
(and add B being like "s/he has used yellow socks before or s/he used the word "blue" earlier as well...")

You cared to echo their points, right? That comes about even with saying it yourself, doesn't it?

That is sneaky! And bad. Sorry Boro, I thought you'd perform better... But hiding behind te back of the two ladies ius just... bad.


So if you're an innocent, just check back on yourself. You are basically just doing the things you're accusing me of doing Boro and that's bad playing indeed. If you're evil, well, then we have to get you lynched sooner rather than later.

I'm not sure what to think of you.

I might vote you as a representative just to check your cards.


PS. Talking about paranoid wolves, just read this...

Originally Posted by Boro

I'm getting about as me-focused as the phantom here, because I thought after McCaber's death, crap the wolves are going to be coming after me, as at the end I made a case for why they should kill an innocent McCaber. Virtually, I signed his death warrant there...but really the opposite has happened.

So you wrote McCaber to his death? Was that a confession indeed, muddied by the "opposite happened" -thing? I mean were you an innocent why should you say something like that no one had seen or mentioned (Well I have not seen all of toDay)?

Bad conscience knocking on the door that is not a Heaven? ?