The Middle Earth Popularity Cup

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Just a short note to the previous voting, if I may:

Gaffer is actually a "common man" and he is a very good person. "Empty rhetoric" is no way for him, he is actually even "wiser" than Frodo, in the more "down-to-ground" way. Have you seen, for example, the Magnificent Seven? "The villagers won..." The heroes win, but that does not make any single one of those others, non-heroes, any less significant.

Not wishing to steer this vote any further afield, but as an actual character, Gaffer is by far more interesting and deep than Frodo. Certainly, Frodo is a more important character than poor old Gamgee, but then Gaffer is much more indicative of actual Hobbits than Frodo (Bilbo and Frodo had that odd and uncharacteristic Tookish strain that was antithetical to stolid Hobbitishness).

In addition, we see the true genius of Tolkien's writing and his love of dialect and language more so in the Gaffer than in Frodo. To me, the Gaffer is more 'real', if one can say that about fictional folk, and he is a wonderful personification of old, befuddled but wise folk we all know or have met at one time or another. One can love Gaffer like one would your own cranky grandfather; Frodo, however, is a bit too whiny and melancholy (in a stilted literary sense) for my taste, and it is Gafffer's son, Samwise, bred of the same tough stock and prone to uttering the same bits of folksy wisdom, that saves the quest.

So if, indeed, your poll is asking who is the more popular, rather than most important character, my vote would certainly be Gaffer over Frodo.

The same would go for the Beleg vs Maggot question. Obviously, Beleg is an important figure and his friendship and loyalty are unquestionably great; however, he is a literary cipher without personality or depth, whereas we get a true sense of who Farmer Maggot really is. Ergo, I would choose Maggot.

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Originally Posted by Morthoron

So if, indeed, your poll is asking who is the more popular, rather than most important character, my vote would certainly be Gaffer over Frodo.

The same would go for the Beleg vs Maggot question. Obviously, Beleg is an important figure and his friendship and loyalty are unquestionably great; however, he is a literary cipher without personality or depth, whereas we get a true sense of who Farmer Maggot really is. Ergo, I would choose Maggot.

Your motivation behind a vote matters not to the result of the poll, so if you base your choice on how pretty the actor who played him/her in the movies is or on some high-brow theory of how well the character's heroic but vain struggles symbolises the pagan eschatological view that the destruction of man and all of his creations is inevitable, the end result is the same: one vote. I'd be interested to hear your reasoning though, be it humorous, serious or just whimsical.

I take it that your choice would be Maggot, Morth, in which case the score is tied at 3-3. It's anyone's game.

[mormegil]

++Beleg

[Eönwë]

++Farmer Maggot

Mmmm... Mushrooms.

[the phantom]

++Beleg

What more could you ask for than someone who is kind, forgiving, wise, a great warrior, and an even better friend?

[Lalwendë]

Does Skip have to post to move the fight on then, or what?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Beleg is cooler. . .not that I dislike Maggot even though evil rumors have him picked as an Evertonian.

I think Beleg could have died in a better way though. . . I know that the whole killed by a friend is very dramatic, but in my head it would be much better if him and Maglor died side by side fighting the sons of Feanor.
I don't know why, but keep picturing such a sceen.

Anyways if I want mushrooms picked I can do it my self, if I need orcs killed then I will call on Beleg! Ergo he is of much more use to me.

++Beleg

EDIT: I forgot to check about deadlines and such

(I see that Beleg already won. . .bah I will let the post stay)