Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Yes, yes... no despair yet for anybody! After all, there's still a wolf out there.

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[Mithalwen]

and thirty three pages in before a filibuster....

I still wouldn't put it past Morm to find a way out of this.....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh yes. I'm waiting patiently for HIS seer reveal.

[Boromir88]

Oh yes. I'm waiting patiently for HIS seer reveal.~Fea

I knew I shouldn't expect things to be that easy...you will find a way to make this go as unsmoothly as possible won't you?

But, I'm here for a little while and will just review the plan, see if there's any flaws.

[Boromir88]

Oh and don't worry too much Rune...before the end of the day I was going to try to make sure people don't lynch you on my account, well unless you are the last wolf. Anyway, I realize with my mess yesterday I could have trapped an ordo by mistake.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++no filibuster

[Boromir88]

Plan looks good to me, but I do see one gaping flaw!

Boro- lynch morm

We will have to review our constitution, morm may be able to strike on the grounds that there is a conflict of interest with that vote.

Ok, seriously I think the plan is perfect. I still am waiting for something to dreadfully go wrong, as Fea is dying to see a filibuster.

Morm, if it makes you feel any better, it was nothing you did, I picked you pretty much at random and in frustration. I think I sent my choice to Fea within 30 seconds of finding out Eonwe's innocent saying "Oh you have to be kidding me. I don't know what I'm doing...uhh ++morm." And with a touch of luck I struck fur.

Sorry, Nogrod, your turn on tp was just too easy, especially after the Ka was found to be a wolf. But you were expecting morm's vote to be able to bail you out, weren't you?

Thanks dear, sweet sally. You better not be sweet-talking me!

++No Filibuster

Better check to make sure I am voting for the right one...yep...

++Nerwen for rep

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Oh and don't worry too much Rune...before the end of the day I was going to try to make sure people don't lynch you on my account, well unless you are the last wolf. Anyway, I realize with my mess yesterday I could have trapped an ordo by mistake.

Oh I could "live" with being lynched, it is just the thought of being beaten by Mormegil that makes me fall into a pit of despair and loose all will to live.

You know, if I ever was alive on the last day in a game together with Morm and another person I w
ould allways vote Morm. . .just to make sure.

I should probably add that I hold Morm in very high regard outside werewolf, but here he is my enemy.

[A Little Green]

So the third wolf is one of these guys:

Brinniel - I don't think it's her. I shouldn't be so sure of her, I know. If she's the wolf she's really really sneaky.
Gil-Galad - If it's him, I'll be angry.
Gwathagor - He's been the ultimate submarine to me. Might be the first one I'll look at if I have the time.
Ilya - Still no idea. Probably leaning innocent.
Lommy - I don't think it's her. She has seemed quite innocentish all through the game, and her reaction to Boro's reveal seemed genuine.
Kath - Gives me innocent vibes, though not as strong as Lommy or Brinn. I don't suspect her at the moment.
Nerwen - No idea. Might be - but then, I think morm's hints about her after his confession point more to Nerwen's innocence than to guilt. Unless morm is being really really unsporty that is. I'll just ignore his remarks for now.
Rune - Still seems innocentish. I don't suspect him.
Sally - Might be, might not be. I have no idea.

I don't think are wolves:
Brinn
Gil
Lommy
Kath
Rune

Might be wolves:
Gwath
Ilya
Nerwen
Sally

I have much stronger vibes about those I feel innocentish than those I don't. Ah well.

For a while I toyed with the possibility that our wolves are Boro, phantom, morm and Nog. But then I came to think about stuff like the real seer and the like. Just couldn't resist posting that scenario as well... (It just proves how reluctant I am to believe anything anyone says in WW. )

And, just so I won't forget it,

++ no filibuster


EDIT: x-ed with Boro

[satansaloser2005]

By the way, can we do triple lynches in this village?

Here's why I ask.


Pretend I'm Fea. "But Sally, you're not pure evil and enjoy screwing with people's heads". Suspension of disbelief, children. Just pretend I'm Fea.

If I was Fea, why would I keep around a player who is as good as modfired? (Aka Gil, in case you didn't pick up on it) I wouldn't put it past her to have had Gil as the last wolf, knowing perhaps that he would either die early or just drop off the face of the earth. Now, since he's not playing really anymore, we're not going to bother with him, which means the last wolf just stays around and eventually the village just kills itself off. Like I said, pure evil.


With that in mind, is anyone else up for a triple lynch? Obviously we could put it off until toMorrow if you so desired, but why wait if we can do it toDay?


(Oh, and Phantom, that was the 'flaw' that I mentioned earlier. Heh told you the plan was fine. I just wanted to make additions)

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

By the way, can we do triple lynches in this village?

Here's why I ask.


Pretend I'm Fea. "But Sally, you're not pure evil and enjoy screwing with people's heads". Suspension of disbelief, children. Just pretend I'm Fea.

If I was Fea, why would I keep around a player who is as good as modfired? (Aka Gil, in case you didn't pick up on it) I wouldn't put it past her to have had Gil as the last wolf, knowing perhaps that he would either die early or just drop off the face of the earth. Now, since he's not playing really anymore, we're not going to bother with him, which means the last wolf just stays around and eventually the village just kills itself off. Like I said, pure evil.


With that in mind, is anyone else up for a triple lynch? Obviously we could put it off until toMorrow if you so desired, but why wait if we can do it toDay?


(Oh, and Phantom, that was the 'flaw' that I mentioned earlier. Heh told you the plan was fine. I just wanted to make additions)

I think someone has already noted that Fea's failure to modfire Gil may well point to something.

However, you're being awfully precipitous, Sally. We've only just started discussing the fourth wolf's identity...and you're ready to drag Gil to the scaffold?

Besides, look how complicated it was to plan a double-lynch. We don't even know if it'll come off. Have you thought about how much a triple-lynch increases the chance of something going wrong?

EDIT: x'd since Boro at #1309

[Nerwen]

You know, it's really funny seeing the phantom's and Mithalwen's sig's in close proximity.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

You know, it's really funny seeing the phantom's and Mithalwen's sig's in close proximity.

I don't seen the connection.....

[Boromir88]

Also, by the way (this is the thing that makes me the most distrustful of these two brilliant gentlemen) - arranging the death of a known innocent sounds rather eyebrow-raising. Why choose her of all the people? Care to explain?~Lommy

I did feel pretty cold-hearted about that one, as I doubt Agan would approve, especially in a village like this.

It was really just working off tp's attempt to make Gil look like a good target. Honestly after McCaber died, I was serious about thinking I signed his death warrant. I mean I pretty much just said...last time I remember McCaber was so right about everything I was convinced he was a wolf. Then when Nerwen asked for thoughts about Agan, it just kind of popped in, well Agan has been pretty intense this game, she would make a good wolf target, and of course I knew she wasn't the seer, but knew she was innocent. So, I dressed it up as nice as possible, and I laughed when I finally figured out that tp was adding his own twist to it. I believe I sent an apology out to Agan, hope she accepted it, but I thought it was necessary for me. As I thought the only way for me to survive in this one is just to get on everyone's last nerve, and hope I only make it more difficult on the wolves.

That is why so much of my strategy relied on tp's role too. I mean I knew as hard as I tried I was not going to out post him, so I could really come out and be as active and up-front as possible, and know that tp would be even more so, and if necessary would cause bigger trouble for the wolves than I would. So, really I could come out and be as bold as I wanted to, and look like such a blatant conniving wolf, but still hopefully not too much so that I got lynched. Also, I could be as aggressive against the wolves, and look like such a blatant seer, as I wanted to because I knew I was so crazy no one would believe me anyway, until I was dead or revealed. I'm not sure I want to tell the phantom what I was planning if he was a wolf, than he might know all the tricks in my bag and use it against me. (I was serious about my dream of voting for a filibuster and tp blocking my vote too! )

This has managed to be the only village that absolutely haunts me. (Which is my tip of the hat and bow to our modgoddesses ).

[Thinlómien]

Boro and tp - thanks for the explanation. It kind of makes sense and the way you answer makes me even more convinced you're honest.


Okay, so the last wolf must be among

Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Kath
Nerwen
Rune
Sally


I'm pretty sure the wolf isn't

Nerwen - ranger-confusion = enough said.

or

Greenie - her constant annoyance and criticism at tp and Boro looks innocent to me, also, I think she's too "sharp" to be a wolf.


I don't think the wolf is

Brinn or Kath - their overall tones are just very genuine.

or

Rune - I suspect he'd be far more nervous by now if he was the wolf.


I hope the wolf isn't

Gil - it'd be too unfair.

or

Gwath - absolutely no read on him either.


The wolf could be

Ilya - she has really said some rather fishy stuff and I think she was a bit too quick to trust tp and Boro yesterDay. Also, although I can't recall it right now, I think there's something curious in the relationship between her and Nog...

or

Sally - she seems to have been a little jumpy toDay, which is just understandable if she's about to be left alone. Also, she too says some fishy stuff.


While toDay still lasts, I'd love to have a look at the three wolves' posts and see who looks like their mate and then proceed based on those clues. Also, having a look at at least sally and Ilya separately probably wouldn't do me any bad either. But I doubt I will be much around anymore before the second phase of toDay - I have an exam to study to tonight and I don't feel it's extra necessary that I'm here right now.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think someone has already noted that Fea's failure to modfire Gil may well point to something.

Wasn't that actually Nogrod? *raises an eyebrow* Hmmm...

Originally Posted by Boro

If there is the "real" seer lurking around, then it would be foolish not to step up now.

Yes, indeed, I do not disagree with that, my phrasing was just a bit unclear. I merely meant that it is possible that the real seer is among those who haven't managed to get online at all toDay yet and that's why I was a little doubtful of how quickly everybody took your word for it.

But anyway, it does not matter. I'm inclined to believe you really are the seer, and morm is a wolf anyway, and we have no problems with numbers yet, so we may very well double-lynch him and Nog toDay even if this was some evil ploy of yours.

So,

++phantom for rep

and

++no filibuster

Originally Posted by Boro

Also, you probably noticed how I assured tp that Legate was not the seer either and completely lied that in this set up the seer would like to lay low and try to get a couple dreams in.

Nah, I didn't. I only properly realised what you were probably doing sometime late-ish yesterDay...

Originally Posted by Boro

Aren't you happy though that you will have to do no analysis on me or tp?

Surely I am.

Originally Posted by tp

Ah, so Lommy- you were betting on Boro being the Seer?
*sniff*
Why not me? Was my act not good enough?

That is a good question. Honestly, I do not know or remember, but I thought all the time that if one of you is the seer, it's Boro.

But Boro and tp - you still haven't answered my question. Why on earth get your known innocent killed, of all the possible people? I understand Boro needed to be protected from the Night-kill, but couldn't you have tried anyone else after the Gil-plan failed? Were you so desperate to pick someone who wasn't a wolf? (That's the only explanation that makes any sense to me...)


edit: xed with phantom and Mith

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Lommy

But Boro and tp - you still haven't answered my question. Why on earth get your known innocent killed, of all the possible people?

Because she was in fact our "known innocent".

In other words, any other target that I picked would have run the risk of being an actual Werewolf. And if I would've run that ploy with a WW, then the WWs would instantly know, "Phantom aint the Seer!" So no chance would they kill me then.

And with the kill set up person being a WW, they wouldn't even think about killing them obviously.

So with both pieces of bait out of the way (me and the kill-set-up), the WWs would be much more likely to kill Boro, which was the ultimate thing I was trying to prevent.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think someone has already noted that Fea's failure to modfire Gil may well point to something.

However, you're being awfully precipitous, Sally. We've only just started discussing the fourth wolf's identity...and you're ready to drag Gil to the scaffold?

Besides, look how complicated it was to plan a double-lynch. We don't even know if it'll come off. Have you thought about how much a triple-lynch increases the chance of something going wrong?

EDIT: x'd since Boro at #1309

Hence why I suggested perhaps we try it toMorrow instead.


Mind you, you're in an awful hurry to make other people look bad, Nerwen my dear. I'm just trying to help. If it's just the four of us as reps it shouldn't even be a problem. Boro and Phantom could follow the original plan, I would vote for Gil, and unless you decide to do something to muck up the plan (which I'm thinking and hoping you won't, because if you do you'll have some splaining to do) it should work perfectly.


Gil's as good as dead anyway, except for the actual dying bit. For one thing (not to be rude) I don't think it's fair for him to survive the game if he doesn't even play. And besides, you KNOW Fea would do something like that. Yeah, someone might have mentioned it, but I've noticed it a few days ago and decided we might as well kill two birds (or in this case three I suppose) with one stone while we've got the resources to do it with. We could probably pull this off again toMorrow (if we're lucky) but beyond that it would be sketchy, what with Phantom probably being the next night's kill and then we're back to not being able to trust anyone.

Besides, it's a safe lynch (excuse my phrasing) because we know we won't kill the seer and even if Gil's an ordo it will not be a loss game-wise. No matter what he is, either we kill a wolf or we kill a player who is not helping. (And I'll take the risk of losing an ordo out of our numbers because with only one wolf left we should be fine). Besides, notice Nog at some point (I'll quote the post when I find it) was in favor of keeping Gil around to support our numbers. I wonder why it would be such a big deal to....oh, let's see....a wolf? Hmmmm....


See? Makes perfect sense, even outside my head. At least to me. Erm, wait.

However, I know it's only proper to bring this before the village and see what they say before I did anything like that.


So, village? What think you?



EDIT: x'd with Lommie Mommie

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

If I was Fea, why would I keep around a player who is as good as modfired? (Aka Gil, in case you didn't pick up on it) I wouldn't put it past her to have had Gil as the last wolf, knowing perhaps that he would either die early or just drop off the face of the earth. Now, since he's not playing really anymore, we're not going to bother with him, which means the last wolf just stays around and eventually the village just kills itself off. Like I said, pure evil.


With that in mind, is anyone else up for a triple lynch? Obviously we could put it )

I can absolutely totally guarantee, sort of, that Gil is not the last wolf, although I guess I should check my sources on that one.

[Nogrod]

Now what the he....?

Have you just gone totally mad all of you? Still letting that dynamic duo mess with your heads?

You know they are still alive those two? Have you ever wondered at why that is? If they were innocents they would be around here no more, Night1 *bang*, Night2 *bang* and the end of their story. I mean some wolves can be sporty right, but being sporty doesn't mean suicidal. Ergo they must be the wolves themselves. QED.

So they were excepting to get the rope from us anyDay now but somehow the seer never came forwards. And those vermins hit the seemingly correct idea last Night as they plotted: any sensible seer with that big fishes bagged (both of them that is) would have come forwards instantly. But nothing happened, no one came forwards... Now what could it be? Gil-Galad it would be.

So why hasn't Fea modfed him? Well you just don't modfire seers now do you? Hello citizens! Wake up!

Happily the chosen representatives have one more Day to chew that info.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now what the he....?

Have you just gone totally mad all of you? Still letting that dynamic duo mess with your heads?

You know they are still alive those two? Have you ever wondered at why that is? If they were innocents they would be around here no more, Night1 *bang*, Night2 *bang* and the end of their story. I mean some wolves can be sporty right, but being sporty doesn't mean suicidal. Ergo they must be the wolves themselves. QED.

So they were excepting to get the rope from us anyDay now but somehow the seer never came forwards. And those vermins hit the seemingly correct idea last Night as they plotted: any sensible seer with that big fishes bagged (both of them that is) would have come forwards instantly. But nothing happened, no one came forwards... Now what could it be? Gil-Galad it would be.

So why hasn't Fea modfed him? Well you just don't modfire seers now do you? Hello citizens! Wake up!

Happily the chosen representatives have one more Day to chew that info.

Ok, but how do you explain morm's apparent confession?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Ok, but how do you explain morm's apparent confession?

It's his business to answer for himself.

[Gwathagor]

You were happy enough to speak for Gil. If your explanation can't take into account the morm-factor, then I can't buy it.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

No snappy and funny answer to that tp yet?

I wasn't planning on responding at all.

But if I must....

I think it would be the funniest thing ever if Gil was the Seer. But there is no way that the WWs could bank on it.

In addition, Boro, morm, and I would all have to be in on it. That would be all three Wolves. Which means that the moment you would die and be proven an Ordo, we would be discovered and surely lose.

Do you really think we'd lose purposefully?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

I'm not sure I want to tell the phantom what I was planning if he was a wolf, than he might know all the tricks in my bag and use it against me.

Tell me, or I'll always kill you first.

*chuckles*

[Nogrod]

No snappy and funny answer to that tp yet? You are around but you need to think don't you as to how to answer that, right?

Aren't you bit slow to be an ordo?