Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

You're right, Nog, that there are two teams of Wolves.
But Boro isn't the last WW. He's a Cobbler-Seer, who was assigned to help a specific team. Ask me how I know.

Fair enough, although funny you should know it?

But nice that you brought that up anyway. That's just another version of the false-seer thing I suspected myself - but both explain the things as well.

All added spice to the mix make the food more interesting. Somehow I'm beginning to hope I was not dead toDay afterall (I had kind of gotten used to the idea and even felty a bit relaxed as I'd now have time for other things) as this is really looking like it's becoming very interesting indeed.

Couldn't one of you just cancel your vote on me - Mith allowing - I would promise not to kill anyone...

[Boromir88]

If your last buddy really is preparing to keep me alive just to argue your ridiculous theory as to why I still am not dead after this, than that would be the biggest mistake in WW history. You already made a mistake by keeping me alive this long, take a lesson from morm, and die with whatever dignity you have left.

Admit you were dooped and scrum up whatever chance of victory you have left for your last wolf.

[Nogrod]

Are you getting irritated because your plan is not working after all so smoothly as you thought Boro?

So you counted on the fact that I would play it your way in the end?

[Boromir88]

Nope, my plans actually worked quite perfectly. You will be lynched with your packmate morm. I can't ask for a better early christmas present.

[Ilya]

I have internets again! Will reread what's gone on all day/if y'all have voted already.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

scrum up whatever chance of victory you have left for your last wolf.

Let's take it for the argument's sake that there were four wolves playing together and of which one will be left and you're the seer. That's your cover-story, right?

Okay, granted that, what happens? You get killed and the village is on it's own. The odds would be reasonable for the village, I admit. But to say there are no chances for victory for a lonely wolf there is misrepresenting the situation. So why would you say something like that? Like you had to impress someone, like you had to make people feel comfortable with their situation?

Like you were a little boy surrounded by hounds and you tried to pull a brave face knowing that as long as you looked confident the dogs wouldn't bite, but still you couldn't be sure...

Originally Posted by Boro

You already made a mistake by keeping me alive this long, take a lesson from morm

I admit I should have followed morm's advice on Night1. But on Night2 and 3 I did follow his advice. Fea either likes you too much or then it was that you and The Ka were given the right to call the shots the two Nights after that. By what logic, I don't know. Dices?

Originally Posted by Boro

Nope, my plans actually worked quite perfectly. You will be lynched with your packmate morm. I can't ask for a better early christmas present.

I'll grant you that. You got rid of your rivals even if it meant you had to stab your mate in the back, and you didn't like the fact that you might have made it without the sacrifice as Shasta would have performed the thing for you (maybe that frustration led to Shasta's demise?) - and The Ka would have been the perfect submarine pair to you indeed. Well, these things happen...

So looking at your latest posts I sense a kind of tension there... Now you have to make it alone. Let's see how long you can make your final stand?

All the best for your trials and tribulations Boro! The village will win though... and I'll be silently contented because of the fact that the rival Wolfgang didn't win if we had to lose.

Originally Posted by Boro

die with whatever dignity you have left.

That depends on the definiton of dignity you use. I would call it undignified if I had some chances to continue living in the face of immediate death and tried to weep myself out of the trouble appealing to you pity or my hurt feelings or something like that.

But I'm dead now. Right? You have already all voted, eh?

What should I do, discuss football? Let your foul schemes work out the way you wish? I call it dignity to stand up and play even in the darkest hour, trying to find out your evil ways Boro. You don't like it? Fine. I see why you don't. What you do not need are seeds of indecision and doubt because your plan either stands or falls with trust on your status in the village.

But don't say I'm dying in shame if I dare to play to the end while you'd like to distract everyone with a host of small talk - which only serves your interests my friend. And the village should see that your interest are not the same as theirs.

Yours truly,

Wolfgrod

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Okay, granted that, what happens? You get killed and the village is on it's own. The odds would be reasonable for the village, I admit. But to say there are no chances for victory for a lonely wolf there is misrepresenting the situation.

I agree with this. The last WW might be hard to catch. Especially if he has special powers of some kind.

Powers like... oh, I dunno... that when he is dreamed of he appears to be an Ordo.

Not that *cough* there is any such Wolf like that.

[Nogrod]

I just picked a few of Boro's statements from the last five pages to show you something. Like I said he needs trust and obedience - and he doesn't like his rivals to disturb his efforts on the former so he'd need to nullify those in some way so that people would not think about them seriously. Let him speak for himself then... with a few short comments (leaving the last one out as I have already discussed it).

morm's got the class to admit he's been caught in a trap...Nog will get there once his pride has fallen...ie once he's lynched. My advice, pay no attention to either of them, just enjoy their company while they are still with us.

Right, pay no attention to the truth as it would be bad.

Instead of doing something constructive to perhaps make himself sound more believable, Nogrod just chooses to be against everything. You know Nogrod, you can't just be against something, you also have to be for something.

Yes, you have the "something" as you are the one pulling the bluff. I don't know how things are but I'm trying my best to figure it out.

I would feel good about doing my part, whatever happens afterwards, well my best goes out to both. But you innocents better not screw it up.

Interesting that you say "whatever happens afterwards". Why so reserved if you were indeed the seer with three wolves bagged? And "you innocents better not screw it up"!? You? So you're not one of them?

I'm stubborn, but I do admit defeat when beaten, and stare back at death.
Maybe I can play one last mind-trick, and tell the last wolf I'll be gone for the next 48 hours so there would be no point in killing me.

Haha, calling for me to shut up appealing to my honour (that's a bit lousy indeed) while already making preparations for you being alive toMorrow! You can now say: "well, I said I will be away and maybe the wolf took it for real... so I'm still alive and an innocent died... no can do"?

No more debates, that's it, final it's been set in stone...or well actually just written in invisble ink.

"Stay the course" village, you have been given orders. It's all set in stone that I'm your seer... Why do you have to underline that all the time? Are you not confident your bluff works?

Good night and no point in wishing good luck, but thank you all for being so cooperative. I wish government could run like that everyday, eh?

"Everything's fine, just trust me"?


Would you buy a used car from this man?

Just compare tp and Boro toDay. Who is relaxed and playful as always - and who is uptight, commanding, nervous, scornful (and needs to make separate small talk all the time to apperar relaxed - I mean see the different tones in his posts!)

And anyway, I'm not going gentle into that good Night if I have a chance to expose Boro's webs before it.

That I'd call dignity. (Or just decent rivalry as in these kinds of games one really doesn't want the other side to win)

[the phantom]

You know, Nog, I'll make a promise to you about Boro.

If he's still alive tomorrow, then I'll believe everything you say and will suggest to the village that he be lynched. I can't speak for anyone else and thus I cannot guarantee it will be done, but I'll sure try.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nog

the rival Wolfgang

Aww. Just imagining a furry Mozart crawling in the night...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Aww. Just imagining a furry Mozart crawling in the night...

That's exactly what I had in mind...

Originally Posted by tp

You know, Nog, I'll make a promise to you about Boro.

If he's still alive tomorrow, then I'll believe everything you say and will suggest to the village that he be lynched. I can't speak for anyone else and thus I cannot guarantee it will be done, but I'll sure try.

Belived by who?

This might be even more twisted game I have thought of it thus far.

But I can see your intention tp. You're trying to pre-empt Boro's attack on you the next Night now aren't you? Quite a decent plan I must agree. And sorry to spoil it, but as one that is going to die I'm not feeling too bad about it.

Bah. As soon as it started to look a bit cleaner and more straightforwards then you come with this idle bluff...

I mean on the other hand maybe your story about the cobbler-seer and all the ramifications of it is true then? And it would be not a surprise Fea would pick you two to be involved in there. And thence you're trying to buy Boro some legitimate time (something you could argue for as I spoiled Boro's "I might be off the next 48 hours" thing) as he's your helper in the last account - so even if it looks like he's the master around here then as a cobbler-seer, or whatever he is, he still is indeed your subordinate?

Or do you just trust him? Well I understand you'd not take my advice on this but ask Boro how trusting others can turn out. He has exprerience of it indeed... (sorry Boro, I just had to make that reference as I see it's possible you're trying to use the same trick)

It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

[Brinniel]

I'm currently working on finding all the quotes by our wolves which mention unknowns, and also finding quotes by the unknowns mentioning wolves. But with nearly 1500 posts on this thread, it's quite the monstrous task and I can already see I won't be finishing by the end of toDay since I'm planning to try to go see Spamalot tonight while it's in town. So all those quotes and an analysis will have to wait until toMorrow..

Anyways, I can't really say my thoughts have changed much since my last analysis post. There hasn't been much posting toDay, and many of the posts there have been are just chatter. I suppose toMorrow it'll be much easier to talk when these naughty boys aren't here to distract us..

So unless I can't get a ticket for the show, I probably won't be back again toDay.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

There hasn't been much posting toDay, and many of the posts there have been are just chatter. I suppose toMorrow it'll be much easier to talk when these naughty boys aren't here to distract us...

Sadly one of those naughty boys have been one of the few to actually try to boost a discussion.

If you Brinn believe it's all okay, I'll tell you you're mistaken and mistaken badly. This is not fine and dandy. You'll see.

You need to have the discussion if you are to play this game! Just sitting back and relaxing is both spineless and stupid. You would have had a whole day to discuss things and what do you do? Hide in the shadows so that no one suspects you for standing out and speaking your mind, right?

And I'm kind of serious with this. Just say whatever you say of my role but think yourselves as well what I'm saying: the baddies win when the innocents lay low - and I'd hate to see those dratted rival-baddies win... So pull yourselves together now!

When you think in the late hours of toMorrow that you're in a hurry think of it if you had done something toDay.

It's such an anticlimax to die in a Day like this...

But you carry the consequences toMorrow.

I'm prepared and I have done my best, how about you?

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I'm currently working on finding all the quotes by our wolves which mention unknowns, and also finding quotes by the unknowns mentioning wolves. But with nearly 1500 posts on this thread, it's quite the monstrous task and I can already see I won't be finishing by the end of toDay since I'm planning to try to go see Spamalot tonight while it's in town. So all those quotes and an analysis will have to wait until toMorrow..

Anyways, I can't really say my thoughts have changed much since my last analysis post. There hasn't been much posting toDay, and many of the posts there have been are just chatter. I suppose toMorrow it'll be much easier to talk when these naughty boys aren't here to distract us..

So unless I can't get a ticket for the show, I probably won't be back again toDay.

Brinn I certainly advise the village to look at your quotes too.