Two truths and a lie... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

The Might · 11-24-2008, 07:00 AM

Actually, Andisigil has a very good point there, facts speak against what Eomer said, so I would actually consider that one false too.

Ok, but since you had something else in mind, 3) is wrong. Robin joined the Shiriffs willfully, only later on was he forced to remain in that position and to enforce several hard rules. 1) is correct, since we are told that Shagrat led about 40 orcs to investigate, this was his garrison from the Tower.

Andsigil · 11-24-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Might

Actually, Andisigil has a very good point there, facts speak against what Eomer said, so I would actually consider that one false too.

Ok, but since you had something else in mind, 3) is wrong. Robin joined the Shiriffs willfully, only later on was he forced to remain in that position and to enforce several hard rules. 1) is correct, since we are told that Shagrat led about 40 orcs to investigate, this was his garrison from the Tower.

Oh, well. I thought I had a good point, but there was another answer in mind.

I suppose it's like taking the S.A.T., when they remind you to choose the "best" answer for a question, even if you might find that more than one of your possible choices are correct.

Still, I did think that Grima was the most salient. (shrug)

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-24-2008, 01:37 PM

Ha haa, and now you are wrong, Miggy. Because you get caught in the double-trap laid by me. First, if you read it, 3) says that he did join the Shiriffs willingly. And that is true. And 1) was the master-trap of it all, because Shagrat HAD forty orcs with him as a patrol, but in the very same place where this is told, the sentence continues that there were probably more in the tower itself (which is what I was talking about - the whole population of the tower, as you can read, I did not speak about just Shagrat's "recon team", which indeed had about 40 Orcs).

And as for the "Rohirrim don't lie" thing, it was a general statement: the same as if I said "Elves are tall", or "Hobbits do not work well with mechanic tools". Surely you will find a smaller Elf or a Hobbit who can work with mechanical tools (for example Sandyman), but it's something like a general statement.

Okay, I will post a new one then.

1. Mithril was found on Númenor
2. Hobbits were present in the Battle of Fornost
3. Dwalin never visited Mirkwood before his journey with Bilbo

Thinlómien · 11-24-2008, 01:50 PM

3 is a lie.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-24-2008, 01:56 PM

Correct

The thread is yours. Just out of curiosity, do you know why, or did you just come to that conclusion by the method of ruling out the rest?

Thinlómien · 11-24-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Correct

The thread is yours. Just out of curiosity, do you know why, or did you just come to that conclusion by the method of ruling out the rest?

I knew for sure that 2 was true, I had a pretty strong recollection that 1 was true also, so it left me with 3 - and I realised it must be correct based on the Dwarven history I've been rereading lately... I remember those Dwarves went there for some reason - wasn't it when Thráin was taken by Sauron?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-24-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I knew for sure that 2 was true, I had a pretty strong recollection that 1 was true also, so it left me with 3 - and I realised it must be correct based on the Dwarven history I've been rereading lately... I remember those Dwarves went there for some reason - wasn't it when Thráin was taken by Sauron?

Yes, it was. Balin and Dwalin were there when he was taken from the middle of the camp right under their nose. Most fascinating.

Anyway, post the next one, please

11-24-2008, 07:00 AM	#1
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Actually, Andisigil has a very good point there, facts speak against what Eomer said, so I would actually consider that one false too. Ok, but since you had something else in mind, 3) is wrong. Robin joined the Shiriffs willfully, only later on was he forced to remain in that position and to enforce several hard rules. 1) is correct, since we are told that Shagrat led about 40 orcs to investigate, this was his garrison from the Tower. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

11-24-2008, 01:37 PM	#3
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Ha haa, and now you are wrong, Miggy. Because you get caught in the double-trap laid by me. First, if you read it, 3) says that he did join the Shiriffs willingly. And that is true. And 1) was the master-trap of it all, because Shagrat HAD forty orcs with him as a patrol, but in the very same place where this is told, the sentence continues that there were probably more in the tower itself (which is what I was talking about - the whole population of the tower, as you can read, I did not speak about just Shagrat's "recon team", which indeed had about 40 Orcs). And as for the "Rohirrim don't lie" thing, it was a general statement: the same as if I said "Elves are tall", or "Hobbits do not work well with mechanic tools". Surely you will find a smaller Elf or a Hobbit who can work with mechanical tools (for example Sandyman), but it's something like a general statement. Okay, I will post a new one then. 1. Mithril was found on Númenor 2. Hobbits were present in the Battle of Fornost 3. Dwalin never visited Mirkwood before his journey with Bilbo __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

11-24-2008, 01:50 PM	#4
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	3 is a lie. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

11-24-2008, 01:56 PM	#5
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Correct The thread is yours. Just out of curiosity, do you know why, or did you just come to that conclusion by the method of ruling out the rest? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories