Who crews the boats? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

crazy_awper · 11-25-2008, 08:42 PM

Sorry, I don't know, but still to support you,and I also want to know the answer to this question.

Tuor in Gondolin · 11-26-2008, 08:42 AM

A few more points to consider, small boats could/did make the
journey. two examples: Aerendil's small crew, and Gimli and
Legolas going alone (presumably sailed only by Legolas).

How did Bilbo, Frodo, and Gimli return to Middle-earth-who
piloted the ships? (I believe they did return since (especially
Frodo) they were there for a period of healing-not permanent
residence)?

Hmm. So apparently elves do go both ways?

Inziladun · 11-26-2008, 08:59 AM

Tuor in Gondolin

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How did Bilbo, Frodo, and Gimli return to Middle-earth-who
piloted the ships? (I believe they did return since (especially
Frodo) they were there for a period of healing-not permanent
residence)?

I don't think they ever came back from Eressëa. The mortals who went there were indeed only there temporarily, but there is no description in the books that I am aware of that says they were allowed to return to ME. At the end of their natural lives they would simply die.

Tuor in Gondolin · 11-26-2008, 11:04 AM

Inziladun:

On reflection I tend to think your view is probably correct.
But, if so, it brings up some interesting questions, what about when
Bilbo, Frodo, and Gimli died? Was there a teeny graveyard?
Was there cremation? Or what's it called when the body is left
on a bed of sticks? And what kiknd of Nordic treatment of the
dead would Tolkien have opted for as a model in these three cases?
And how would be the effect 0f such deaths effect the
"Undying Land" and the residents thereof?

Galin · 11-26-2008, 12:53 PM

In Last Writings (Glorfindel), Tolkien muses that Glorfindel must return before the 'Change of the World' '... after which no living embodied creature, 'humane' or of lesser kinds, could return from the Blessed Realm which had been removed from the 'Circles of the World.'

Tolkien then writes that though Manwe could be supposed to have received permission from Eru to make an exception for Glorfindel, he then states that this is improbable and would make Glorfindel of greater power and importance than seems fitting. Thus the Elf returns in the Second Age before the Shadow fell on Numenor, as early as SA 1200 -- but it may have been, perhaps more probably, as late as c. 1600.

According to this text anyway.

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Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	A few more points to consider, small boats could/did make the journey. two examples: Aerendil's small crew, and Gimli and Legolas going alone (presumably sailed only by Legolas). How did Bilbo, Frodo, and Gimli return to Middle-earth-who piloted the ships? (I believe they did return since (especially Frodo) they were there for a period of healing-not permanent residence)? Hmm. So apparently elves do go both ways? __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

11-26-2008, 11:04 AM	#4
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Inziladun: On reflection I tend to think your view is probably correct. But, if so, it brings up some interesting questions, what about when Bilbo, Frodo, and Gimli died? Was there a teeny graveyard? Was there cremation? Or what's it called when the body is left on a bed of sticks? And what kiknd of Nordic treatment of the dead would Tolkien have opted for as a model in these three cases? And how would be the effect 0f such deaths effect the "Undying Land" and the residents thereof? __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

11-26-2008, 12:53 PM	#5
Galin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,036	In Last Writings (Glorfindel), Tolkien muses that Glorfindel must return before the 'Change of the World' '... after which no living embodied creature, 'humane' or of lesser kinds, could return from the Blessed Realm which had been removed from the 'Circles of the World.' Tolkien then writes that though Manwe could be supposed to have received permission from Eru to make an exception for Glorfindel, he then states that this is improbable and would make Glorfindel of greater power and importance than seems fitting. Thus the Elf returns in the Second Age before the Shadow fell on Numenor, as early as SA 1200 -- but it may have been, perhaps more probably, as late as c. 1600. According to this text anyway.