The Middle Earth Popularity Cup - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 12-03-2008, 02:39 PM

I'm afraid Frodo will just walk away with victory from this so I have to try and help the other side. I've nothing against Frodo, quite on the contrary, but we need some believable opposition in the form of votes to make this more interesting.

++ Beleg

Now I just have to come up with a reason...

Well, Beleg is just cool, a Hero (with a capital H) and I really admired him when I read the Silm the first time.

Then again the parts with Frodo and Sam wandering together in the LotR were the most boring pages in the book when I was younger - I was indeed always hoping the prof would have done away with them and the story would have gotten back to where the war was brewed and fought, where the pawns moved on the board, where the politics were gambled and wider views showed.

So let's say this is Nogrod, aged 14, voting here...

Morthoron · 12-03-2008, 03:02 PM

++Frodo.

He is a more complete character than Beleg, who seems rather flat and one-dimensional.

Gollum the Great · 12-03-2008, 03:33 PM

++Beleg Cuthalion

Because he's awesome. And he's a friend (something we need more of...).

Strongbow · 12-03-2008, 03:39 PM

++Beleg

Come now. With my username, you think I could go any other way?

Ibrîniðilpathânezel · 12-03-2008, 07:36 PM

++Frodo

To me, there is little bravery shown in Tolkien's works as great as Frodo's acceptance of the burden of the Ring, especially after listening to all that was said about it at the Council of Elrond.

mormegil · 12-03-2008, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrîniðilpathânezel

To me, there is little bravery shown in Tolkien's works as great as Frodo's acceptance of the burden of the Ring, especially after listening to all that was said about it at the Council of Elrond.

He was a bigger glory hog than Boromir but since he was so diminuative in stature nobody suspected it. He's really a tyrant.

Ilya · 12-03-2008, 10:10 PM

++Frodo

Yes, Beleg is great. Yes, Frodo is nothing without Sam. But he's a far better developed character, and his failure at the test is what makes his sacrifice all the more meaningful.

the phantom · 12-03-2008, 11:56 PM

We see so much less of Beleg when compared to Frodo- pages and pages less. And yet in that little bit of time we have with him Beleg proves that he is an amazing person. If we had the exposure to him we have to Frodo, I think Beleg would win this contest quite easily.

Expert teacher, tracker, and warrior, and the truest of friends. I salute...

++Beleg

skip spence · 12-04-2008, 12:11 PM

Frodo was the big favourite ahead of this match but the voting was much closer than expected. In the end the final vote by the Phantom was decisive and since his choice was Beleg the Ringbearer is eliminated. Smell you later, Frodo!

He's been called the "Shylock" of Middle Earth and an "evil Dwarf". Next up is the match between the unsung hero and outsider Mim the Petty Dwarf, who comes face to face with none other than Sauron the Dark Lord, the greatest enemy of the free people in the second and third Age of Arda.

Mim the Petty Dwarf vs. Sauron

skip spence · 12-12-2008, 10:37 AM

The second round offered plenty of good and even matches but few surprises. The biggest upset was without a doubt the demise of Frodo Baggins himself, at the hands of the relatively obscure Beleg Strongbow.

A few statistics so far:

Gandalf has received 24 votes so far in total which is 5 more than Galadriel who comes second.

In matches between a character born in the first age and a character born in the third age, the first age player has come out on top 75 % of the times.

Three of the nine members of the fellowship is still in the running. Five character are representing the Silmarillion while four are representing The Lord Of The Rings.

Odds from Betberry:
17/6 Gandalf; 5/1 Sam; 7/1 Boromir; 12/1 Túrin; 15/1 Maedhros, Galadriel; 50/1 Sauron; 100/1 Beleg

The quarter finals:

Beleg Strongbow (8) - Sauron (6)
Maedhros (6) - Boromir (8)

Gandalf (7) - Galadriel (6)
Samwise (6) - Túrin (10)

skip spence · 12-12-2008, 10:41 AM

Quarter Final 1:

In arguably the weakest 1/8 final, Beleg, who sensationally knocked out Frodo in the second round, faces Sauron, who has plenty of support on this board, probably more for his entertaining werewolf isle than for his evil schemes for world domination.

Beleg vs. Sauron:

mormegil · 12-12-2008, 11:29 AM

++Beleg

I vacationed with him once and he was a great chap!

Elmo · 12-12-2008, 11:49 AM

++ Sauron

Now there was a maia who knew how to get things done.

Nerwen · 12-12-2008, 12:00 PM

Actually, Elmo,

++Sauron

was only one Maia.

skip spence · 12-05-2008, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So Beleg overtook Frodo Baggins himself!

Don't look so surprised, Nogrod. Looking back, this was the deciding moment of that match (remember Frodo won by one measly vote):

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm afraid Frodo will just walk away with victory from this so I have to try and help the other side. I've nothing against Frodo, quite on the contrary, but we need some believable opposition in the form of votes to make this more interesting.

++ Beleg

Now I just have to come up with a reason...

Poor Frodo... He will be looking at you when he goes home, and there will be tears in his blue puppy eyes.

Ilya · 12-05-2008, 01:07 PM

Mmm. No question. ++Maedhros.

Tuor in Gondolin · 12-05-2008, 01:31 PM

+ + Maedros

But he should have listened to his brother (Maglor).

Gollum the Great · 12-05-2008, 01:37 PM

Where are the dragon-lovers?

++Glaurung

Father of Dragons.

Morthoron · 12-05-2008, 02:35 PM

++Glaurung

Maedhros was more handicapped by his inability to overcome his vow than the loss of his hand. Glaurung was the first great dragon, and was wonderfully evil and cunning, particularly at Nargothrond.

Thinlómien · 12-05-2008, 03:08 PM

++ Maedhros

He's my favourite.

12-03-2008, 02:39 PM	#1
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I'm afraid Frodo will just walk away with victory from this so I have to try and help the other side. I've nothing against Frodo, quite on the contrary, but we need some believable opposition in the form of votes to make this more interesting. ++ Beleg Now I just have to come up with a reason... Well, Beleg is just cool, a Hero (with a capital H) and I really admired him when I read the Silm the first time. Then again the parts with Frodo and Sam wandering together in the LotR were the most boring pages in the book when I was younger - I was indeed always hoping the prof would have done away with them and the story would have gotten back to where the war was brewed and fought, where the pawns moved on the board, where the politics were gambled and wider views showed. So let's say this is Nogrod, aged 14, voting here... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

12-03-2008, 03:02 PM	#2
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,515	++Frodo. He is a more complete character than Beleg, who seems rather flat and one-dimensional. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

12-03-2008, 03:33 PM	#3
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	++Beleg Cuthalion Because he's awesome. And he's a friend (something we need more of...). __________________ 'It just shows you how true it is that one-half the world doesn't knows how the other three-quarters lives.' Bertie, The Code of the Woosters, by P. G. Wodewouse

12-03-2008, 03:39 PM	#4
Strongbow Wight Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South of the Capital Wasteland Posts: 119	++Beleg Come now. With my username, you think I could go any other way? __________________ Is é gáire ár gcuid páistí a bheas mar dhíoltas againn. - Roibeard Gearóid Ó Seachnasaigh

12-03-2008, 07:36 PM	#5
Ibrîniðilpathânezel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the Helcaraxe Posts: 733	++Frodo To me, there is little bravery shown in Tolkien's works as great as Frodo's acceptance of the burden of the Ring, especially after listening to all that was said about it at the Council of Elrond. __________________ Call me Ibrin (or Ibri) :) Originality is the one thing that unoriginal minds cannot feel the use of. — John Stewart Mill

12-03-2008, 10:10 PM	#7
Ilya Wight Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: In the cold Posts: 202	++Frodo Yes, Beleg is great. Yes, Frodo is nothing without Sam. But he's a far better developed character, and his failure at the test is what makes his sacrifice all the more meaningful. __________________ Arvedui III has walked to Rivendell! Last edited by mormegil; 12-03-2008 at 11:45 PM. Reason: language

12-03-2008, 11:56 PM	#8
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	We see so much less of Beleg when compared to Frodo- pages and pages less. And yet in that little bit of time we have with him Beleg proves that he is an amazing person. If we had the exposure to him we have to Frodo, I think Beleg would win this contest quite easily. Expert teacher, tracker, and warrior, and the truest of friends. I salute... ++Beleg __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

12-04-2008, 12:11 PM	#9
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	Frodo was the big favourite ahead of this match but the voting was much closer than expected. In the end the final vote by the Phantom was decisive and since his choice was Beleg the Ringbearer is eliminated. Smell you later, Frodo! He's been called the "Shylock" of Middle Earth and an "evil Dwarf". Next up is the match between the unsung hero and outsider Mim the Petty Dwarf, who comes face to face with none other than Sauron the Dark Lord, the greatest enemy of the free people in the second and third Age of Arda. Mim the Petty Dwarf vs. Sauron __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

12-12-2008, 10:37 AM	#10
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	The second round offered plenty of good and even matches but few surprises. The biggest upset was without a doubt the demise of Frodo Baggins himself, at the hands of the relatively obscure Beleg Strongbow. A few statistics so far: Gandalf has received 24 votes so far in total which is 5 more than Galadriel who comes second. In matches between a character born in the first age and a character born in the third age, the first age player has come out on top 75 % of the times. Three of the nine members of the fellowship is still in the running. Five character are representing the Silmarillion while four are representing The Lord Of The Rings. Odds from Betberry: 17/6 Gandalf; 5/1 Sam; 7/1 Boromir; 12/1 Túrin; 15/1 Maedhros, Galadriel; 50/1 Sauron; 100/1 Beleg The quarter finals: Beleg Strongbow (8) - Sauron (6) Maedhros (6) - Boromir (8) Gandalf (7) - Galadriel (6) Samwise (6) - Túrin (10) __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan Last edited by skip spence; 12-16-2008 at 02:35 PM.

12-12-2008, 10:41 AM	#11
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	Quarter Final 1: In arguably the weakest 1/8 final, Beleg, who sensationally knocked out Frodo in the second round, faces Sauron, who has plenty of support on this board, probably more for his entertaining werewolf isle than for his evil schemes for world domination. Beleg vs. Sauron: __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

12-12-2008, 11:29 AM	#12
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	++Beleg I vacationed with him once and he was a great chap! __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

12-12-2008, 11:49 AM	#13
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	++ Sauron Now there was a maia who knew how to get things done. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering. Last edited by Elmo; 12-12-2008 at 01:31 PM. Reason: Nerwen and her pernickety ways strike again.

12-12-2008, 12:00 PM	#14
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	The Triumphant Return of Nerwen the Nitpicker! Actually, Elmo, ++Sauron was only one Maia. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

12-05-2008, 01:07 PM	#16
Ilya Wight Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: In the cold Posts: 202	Mmm. No question. ++Maedhros. __________________ Arvedui III has walked to Rivendell!

12-05-2008, 01:31 PM	#17
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	+ + Maedros But he should have listened to his brother (Maglor). __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

12-05-2008, 01:37 PM	#18
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	Where are the dragon-lovers? ++Glaurung Father of Dragons. __________________ 'It just shows you how true it is that one-half the world doesn't knows how the other three-quarters lives.' Bertie, The Code of the Woosters, by P. G. Wodewouse

12-05-2008, 02:35 PM	#19
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,515	++Glaurung Maedhros was more handicapped by his inability to overcome his vow than the loss of his hand. Glaurung was the first great dragon, and was wonderfully evil and cunning, particularly at Nargothrond. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

12-05-2008, 03:08 PM	#20
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	++ Maedhros He's my favourite. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris