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[the guy who be short]

Wild Man say: if must lynch "submarine", better lynch Shasta than Gollum. As Wild Man say, kill Gollum seem foolish without reason other than "he absent".

[Mithalwen]

Fea darling. Cobbler is a SPY. Walter si not in a trance. Dead drop means he has no direct contact with critics. Of course he knows what he saw...

As for Soulmate.. I refer you to my previous statement ...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Walter si not in a trance.

*imagines him walking like a zombie*

Hmm am I right in assuming that there's still 40 minutes till deadline? Only three people have voted thus far.

If I can't come up with good enough reasons to justify a vote for someone, I'm probably going to go with someone quiet. You can take it as a revenge for last game.

edit: xed with Boro

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Fea darling. Cobbler is a SPY. Walter si not in a trance. Dead drop means he has no direct contact with critics. Of course he knows what he saw...

As for Soulmate.. I refer you to my previous statement ...

Yes ma'am. I shall stop obsessing now.

Need to see who I've cross-posted with and think...

[Lariren Shadow]

Vote count:
Gollum - 2 (Brinn, Sally)
Ilya - 2 (Kath, Mac)
Fea - 1 (tgwbs)

Still deciding on my vote and slightly rethinking Ilya based on what Agan said(because she did post before you, Mac)

x-posted with Agan changing the vote count.

[Aganzir]

There's what, 16 of us alive and only seven votes cast a few minutes before deadline...

Mith is there a modfire for non-posters/voters?

[Boromir88]

There's what, 16 of us alive and only seven votes cast a few minutes before deadline...~Agan

There will be at least another. I was with-holding for reasons I don't care to explain, as it seems unecessary now.

++Ilya

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

There's what, 16 of us alive and only seven votes cast a few minutes before deadline...

Mith is there a modfire for non-posters/voters?

I will consider it if it becomes a repetitive fault. I don't anticipate modfiring tonight. But I will review the situation - I have been keeping half an eye on participation and it is something I will monitor.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by the guy who be short

Wild Man say: if must lynch "submarine", better lynch Shasta than Gollum. As Wild Man say, kill Gollum seem foolish without reason other than "he absent".

I agree. Unless Gollum goes Gil-absent, it seems silly to vote for him today. Particularly because there are others I find significantly more concerning.

Concerned

Boro
Ilya
Gwath

Leaning innocent

Lari
Brinn
sally
tgwbs
Mac

Need more to go on

phantom
Kath
Shasta
Bowie
Gollum
Cailineomer
Agan

I intend to vote for Gwath (due to his defensive behavior against all things, and due to the fact that there's nobody on my list I'd rather vote for).

I'm forgetting somebody on that list. Who am I forgetting?

[Lariren Shadow]

Sally: Has had suspicions thrown at her since Day 1. I’m entirely not sure where these are coming from. Seems innocent enough going through Day 1. Nothing much more and seems innocent enough.

Fea: When I started this list she hadn’t posted a lot, but then did. Is seriously good at playing this game and I'm not sure what to think about her. I'm beginning to suspect something about her though and leaning towards the guilty part.

Ilya: Has been very helpful in posting all of the comments about the voting. Leads me to suspect innocence. It just doesn't feel like something someone who was guilty would do.

Brinn: Has not given me anything to suspect. All of her votes have been clearly explained and well thought out.

Kath: Am pretty sure is innocent as well.

Agan: Has a voice of reason and picks up on things. I’m not sure what to think about her other than she’s good at the game. I don’t really think she is a critic but I wouldn’t be surprised if she was one.

Gwath: Can not get a real good reading on him. I think I'm leaning towards more innocent than anything else, but I'm going to keep my eye on him.

Shasta: Am still suspicious of from yesterday. I might take TGWBS's advice on the submarine vote, but actually leaning away from it. Shasta hasn't said anything today, while it could be a good critic ploy, from what I've heard and seen it doesn't feel like that.

Strongbow: Hasn’t said much today but justified lack of vote. But gives me suspicions because of this comment “it's easier to spot that dodgy, flighty behavior on Day 2 or even Day 3.” Going by that logic then we should be looking at him. Given the whole not showing up or posting thing. Am suspicious of him as well.

Mac: Said this “Mac: Yeesh... once I have to vote early and believe that you auditioners are smart enough to not do something terribly foolish, and then that.” It gives me the impression of something sinister. Singling himself out from the rest of us. It just rubs me the wrong. Add this with the whole Menel voting thing and it makes me sense a critic. I think I’m going to lean towards voting for Mac tonight.

Gollum: Hasn’t posted at all toDay. I’m not sure what’s going on with him. Brinn mentioned RL stuff so that would make sense but, well, still not here. There is a part of me that wants to be like Brinn and vote him off based on the whole no show thing. But its a very small part.

TGWBS: Should be kept for entertainment value. Plus I really see nothing that he's said that hasn't made sense or was sneaky.

Boro: Has been active and a voice of reason about looking at the votes. I'm not going to fall for his whole "the phantom gave my plan" thing because I don't think he's a wolf. Plus its too obvious for him to do that.

Cailin: Hasn’t said that much but at least did show up today. Seems innocent enough though. Showed up while making the list. Still seems innocent.

Guilty:
Shasta
Mac

Leaning towards up to something/possibly guilty:
Fea
Agan
Gollum

Leaning towards innocent:
Gwath
Ilya
Boro
Cailin

Innocent:
Sally
Brinn
Kath
TGWBS

Have no idea who's side he's on:
OG

Probably will be x-posted with everyone. Huh, I didn't.

[Macalaure]

Some thoughts on Ilya, who recently rised in my suspicions.

Compare #195 to #223: First she doesn't know where the Nogrod case came from, then she says other people put suspicions against Nogrod (and Menel) in her mind and thus keeps herself out of the vote-fray. Also, first she considers voting Gollum for his case against Strongbow, then she votes Strongbow herself.

Today, while I appreciate all the work she put into all her quote-collections, I'm a bit unhappy with it because there's not much of her own opinions, which I consider more helpful about summary-posts than the summary. She does give her opinions later, but they are kind of simplistic putting-into-boxes like.

In #324 she defends Gwath in a not too convincing manner, which, since I'm suspicious of Gwath, makes me suspicious of her, too. There's also her point against me, which does not make a lot of sense, as Boro remarked, too.

If Ilya should be evil, I think a close look at Brinn might be justified - there seems to be a connection.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Ilya: Has been very helpful in posting all of the comments about the voting. Leads me to suspect innocence. It just doesn't feel like something someone who was guilty would do.

And that's why, if guilty, she'd be doing it.

Originally Posted by Lari

Mac: Said this “Mac: Yeesh... once I have to vote early and believe that you auditioners are smart enough to not do something terribly foolish, and then that.” It gives me the impression of something sinister. Singling himself out from the rest of us.

That was a good way of saying it because it indeed looks like what he's doing. I just don't remember him being like that as an innocent (which doesn't mean he couldn't be, though - good as it is, even my memory has its limits).

edit: xed since Boro. Yeah I know but still.

[Kath]

Hi all, sorry for my late arrival but it is the end of the working week and apparently it wore me out as I've just woken up from an unexpected nap! As a result this is going to be a little rushed.

So, let's have a quick look at what people have been doing:

Boro - thought looking at who might want to kill phantom would give clues as to who the critics might be, I personally believe the list would include everyone except Boro and Fea and so doesn't do us much good! Pretty much accuses sally. Carries on with his suspicion of sally, saying that her just out of time retract could have been carefully designed to be just out of time - I think that's grasping at straws really, especially given that it was Day 1 and no one knew how strict Mith was going to be about the deadline.

Lariren - I'm still inclined to leave her be. I think she's doing pretty well so far with keeping up with this madness and she doesn't look particularly suspicious either.

Ilya - says Agan and Lariren started the suspicions against Nog. Has done nothing but post quotes. Now that can be helpful, but not when we get none of her own comments in there. Did post with her thoughts, but there is some really odd reasoning behind them. Why would killing phantom be something Strongbow would want to do over anyone else? If Lariren was 'just kind of agreeing' and then changed direction then why is that suspicious? It just feels suspicious. What was that about a 48 Day, as we didn't have one the Day before why would she assume it?

Gwath - strange that I am less happy with him when he isn't oddly abrasive! The comment that caught my attention was only a response to phantom's role revelation though.

Mac - takes back his voting for Menel. It feels innocent.

Agan - can't work out why everyone is so appalled by the fact that people voted for Nog. I'm with her a bit on that, he was a bit suspicious yesterDay, the way he reacted to what Gwath said was odd. I can see where a case against him would spring from.

Brinn - says about the same as Agan actually, as well as mentioning the very fair point that actually Menel was lynched at the same time and we can get information from that as well.

Strongbow - explains his reasoning for the Day 2 Cobbler comment. Why would the Cobbler be more likely to accidentally give himself away on any Day?

Cailin - her apology, well it feels innocent, but I wish she had spent more of the post talking about her theories on toDay rather than just apologising.

Ah I'm out of time and haven't really finished. I also want to say that I think Fea is too quiet and I do share some of tgwbs' suspicions.

Right now I think Ilya and Boro seem the most suspicious, though I'm not convinced about Boro.

++ILYA

I'd like to have gone through a bit more thoroughly but from what I've seen so far I think that posting all the quotes and the voting tally is trying to look helpful while actually not being and that the reasoning behind her suspicions seems very odd.

[Kath]

Have just seen Fea's posts that says the deadline is quarter past. Bah.

[Boromir88]

Vote count:

Gollum - 2 (Brinn, Sally)
Fea - 1 (tgwbs)
Ilya - 1 (Kath)

[Aganzir]

Kath some day I'm going to kill you for posting long posts so near to deadline.

I think Mac's points against Ilya were reasonable but I'm still suspicious of Mac. I was planning to go through his posts but got distracted. I'll do it tomorrow then.

[Kath]

Kath some day I'm going to kill you for posting long posts so near to deadline.

I'm sorry Agan! One day I will learn to start them more than 20 minutes before the deadline.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Kath

I'm sorry Agan! One day I will learn to start them more than 20 minutes before the deadline.

Heh yesterday I would probably have voted a bit earlier had I not been reading your post & everything that came after it.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I was flipped out by Ilya's quote lists mostly because when I see quotes in anything I'm reading, I have a nasty habit of skipping them, because most of the time when something I read has a quoted off section like that, it's written in a language I don't know. Consequently, posts that consist almost entirely of quotes tend to completely throw me off because

1) the person looks like they're making points, but in reality they're just copy/pasting other people's out-of-context comments

2) my brain is conditioned to all but ignore them anyway (this is probably a trait singular to me, as it's caused by reading massive amounts of art and lit theory).

Basically, when I saw the lists of quotes, I harkened back to Freshman Writing Class and thought "Okay, so you filled up page space. What's your point?" I was bothered that Ilya didn't have an argument that she was supporting, instead it seemed like she was just organizing.

Which while I admit that I OCD adore organizing, I kept waiting and waiting for some sort of reasoning as to what Ilya actually thought, as opposed to what Ilya's organization skills are.

I was thrown off wholly by having to sit my way through what felt like a lot of carefully wasted space without having the payoff of Ilya actually giving us anything personal to go on.

It's like judging the opinion of somebody who's reading a script, you know? I want your own words, not somebody else's.

Probably why I write the stuff I do, and ignore the stuff with MLA citations...

I apologize that this looks like a bandwagon last minute, but I'm also not willing to cause a double lynch (or even get close) today by voting Gwath (plus I don't have time to substantiate any arguments)

so

++Ilya

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Lari

Ilya: Has been very helpful in posting all of the comments about the voting. Leads me to suspect innocence. It just doesn't feel like something someone who was guilty would do.

Some do. Brinn did. Roa did. It's little effort if it makes people think you're innocent and you get by on it for a few days - and maybe the whole game.

Originally Posted by Lari

Mac: Said this “Mac: Yeesh... once I have to vote early and believe that you auditioners are smart enough to not do something terribly foolish, and then that.” It gives me the impression of something sinister. Singling himself out from the rest of us. It just rubs me the wrong. Add this with the whole Menel voting thing and it makes me sense a critic. I think I’m going to lean towards voting for Mac tonight.

I'm sorry if it sounded like I was singling myself out. That line was actually half-joking. *needs to use more smileys*

Haha, now I see Agan's post where she picked the same quotes... sadly, with a bit of a different comment...

Originally Posted by Fea

Mac, you're my hero, it was Ilya's quotes that set me off.

I'll explain soon.

Do, please.


crossed since Kath

[Macalaure]

I sense the danger of a last-minute bandwaggon against me, but since I can retract my vote if necessary, I'll vote now:

++Ilya

Clearly my top suspect right now, and there seems to be an actual chance to lynch her today, so no reason to hesitate for me.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Agan

I was planning to go through his posts but got distracted. I'll do it tomorrow then.

Yay! *likes to be analysed*

[Aganzir]

I think I'm voting

++Ilya

too. Besides if her role is revealed I'll have some actual evidence concerning Mac.

Gollum - 2 (Brinn, Sally)
Fea - 1 (tgwbs)
Ilya - 3 (Kath, Mac, Agan)

edit: xed with Mac. Garr I'm not liking you! (or rather I'm not liking my inexplicable gut feelings)

[Gwathagor]

Mac is seeming more innocent to me than he did earlier toDay. I am unsure about the votes against Gollum - they seem...weak, I guess? I have just the smallest suspicion of tgwbs, but it's entirely instinctive and not rationally justifiable. sally, though...seems suspicious to me, I think, for her behavior at the end of Day 1 and her pale vote for Gollum toDay.

[Brinniel]

Remember that teeny tiny chance I might wake up before deadline? Yeah, amazing.

The only reason I'd retract my vote now is if someone I thought innocent was on the lynching line. But if it's Ilya on the lynching line, I could care less about saving her.

Btw, I realised I totally forgot about Ilya on my analysis. Interesting since I copy and pasted the names from Mith's living list.

Some quick thoughts:

Long quote posts don't necessarily mean guilt. Yes, I did it last time as a wolf, but I've also done it as an innocent. So have other players. People have brought up the idea that she's trying to replicate my strategy, which is possible simply because she is a newbie. Btw, when I made quote posts, I at least added one liner thoughts, or tried. She did not...which I'm not terribly fond of. I'm also not fond of her vote yesterDay.

[Lariren Shadow]

Quickly before the deadline and running away to go buy The Tudors Season 2 I'm going to go with my first thought of voting for:

++ Shasta

[Brinniel]

Also before deadline, I want to make a quick note on Sally. Reading her vote post, part of me thought, "Oh good, I'm not completely alone on my thoughts about Gollum." But another part of me is really worried, because I felt like she was just echoing me almost word for word...

[Ilya]

Hey, ya'll. I'm late to Day 2. Again. Although, bright side, if I am voted off, at least I won't have to worry about that anymore.

I don't really have time to defend myself, I guess, but, look, I'm not that good with analysis as is becoming quite obvious. I was trying to be helpful in a way that I can easily be helpful.

++Gollum

Because firstly I'm taking TP's advice, and secondly, I'd like to see Day 3.