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Feanor of the Peredhil · 01-09-2009, 01:00 PM

Never mind, you're right. I found my error: I missed Agan's vote through Lari's cross post. Anyway, it's Ilya for 5.

Mithalwen · 01-09-2009, 01:05 PM

I need a little more time on the death scene but I will not keep you in suspense.

You are another ordo down.

I'll let the critics know Walter's intelligence and then will await Seer, Critic and Plinge choices. Should be good for a 6pm start tomorrow.

In the mean time I am ripping off a lovely aria for Ilya..

Sorry for the extra delay.. it would have been sensible to check vocal range before I started ... but another lovely Aria and if you kill a soprano at some point I'm prepared.

Mithalwen · 01-09-2009, 02:19 PM

The second day had started with the singers being astounded by the revelation of the Phantom's true identity. Well three of them had to pretend to be astounded and the rest perhaps should not have been so astounded given that the opera ghost had taken a Ronseal approach to his disguise.

The singers' confidence had been knocked by the loss of two of their number the previous night and while they didn't know if htey could trust the Phantom knew that the three critics and their accomplice were still among them. This made them cautious in their voting and a third of them abstained or missed the deadline.

This time their vote was overwhelming. Ilya , though she had sung more than other possibilities had been accused of mimicry, of offering too little of her own interpretation – she had to be a Critic not a true executant musician. She must go.

Her farewell aria gave a clue to her distraction – she had fallen under the spell of the Opera Ghost and now that she was to be parted from him by distance as well as the boundaries of life and death, the girl from the Vales of Anduin sang of her sorrow in a voice that indicated so clearly that she was a true artiste and no critic:

De cet affreux combat je sors l'âme brisée !
Mais enfin je suis libre et je pourrai du moins
Soupirer sans contrainte et souffrir sans témoins.
Pleurez ! pleurez mes yeux ! tombez triste rosée
Qu'un rayon de soleil ne doit jamais tarir !
S'il me reste un espoir, c'est de bientôt mourir !
Pleurez mes yeux, pleurez toutes mes larmes ! pleurez mes yeux !
Mais qui donc a voulu l'éternité des pleurs ?
O chers ensevelis, trouvez-vous tant de charmes à léguer aux vivants d'implacables douleurs ?
Hélas ! je me souviens... il me disait :
Avec ton doux sourire...
Tu ne saurais jamais conduire
Qu'aux chemins glorieux ou qu'aux sentiers bénis !
Ah ! Fantôme ! Hélas !
Pleurez! pleurez mes yeux ! tombez triste rosée
Qu'un rayon de soleil ne doit jamais tarir !
Pleurez mes yeux ! Ah ! pleurez toutes vos larmes ! pleurez mes yeux !

Great voice and interpretation though a tad slow perhaps
With orchestra but think sounds better with a mezzo
Unpolished but wow what a voice
Night 3

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Remaining
Sally, soprano
Lariren , soprano, Ithilien
Feanor of the Peredhil, Belfalas (mezzo-)soprano
Brinniel, mezzo-soprano, Harad
Kath contralto
Aganzir, Minas Tirith contralto
Gwathagor (Gwathagorio), lyric tenor/spinto Sindar of Eriador
Shastanis Althreduin (tenor leggierio / lyric tenor)
Strongbow, Bowissimo of Lossarnach
Macalaure (Barney Broadbottle), a Bree-lander from Staddle, Baritone
Gollum the Great - bass-baritone
TGWBS - bass, woodwose,
Boromir 88 basso profundo, Rohan
Cailineomer, trouser role, Forodwaith

You're not singing anymore:

Meneltarmacil - baritone err Nazgul from Minal Morgul ORDO
Nogrod - lyric tenor in the end, Old Forest ORDO
Ilya, mezzo-soprano, vales of Anduin. ORDO

You're not voting anymore.

The Phantom (Opera Ghost)

Mithalwen · 01-10-2009, 12:15 PM

The singers once again retired to their dressing rooms for the night. The true contestants were downcast by the loss of yet another of theitr number while the three critics and their ally were inwardly gloating.

After they had picked up their message from Wlater the three critics chose there target and moved silently along the pasages of the opera house to where their next victim was singing, confident that the contestants' luck would soon change with his help:

Der Kritikerfänger bin ich ja,
Stets lustig heissa hopsasa!
Ich Kritikerfänger bin bekannt
bei Alt und Jung im ganzen Land.
Weiß mit dem Lokken umzugehn
und mich aufs Pfeiffen zu verstehen!
Drum kann ich froh und lustig sein,
Denn alle Kritiker sind ja mein.

Papageno

"That's what you think!" they chorused in harmony as they burst in, not even bothering to tell him he was out of his range struggling with his tessitura. This time the singer would be dispatched and would stay dispatched. And they had hit the jackpot.

Remaining
Sally, soprano
Lariren , soprano, Ithilien
Feanor of the Peredhil, Belfalas (mezzo-)soprano
Brinniel, mezzo-soprano, Harad
Kath contralto
Aganzir, Minas Tirith contralto
Gwathagor (Gwathagorio), lyric tenor/spinto Sindar of Eriador
Shastanis Althreduin (tenor leggierio / lyric tenor)
Strongbow, Bowissimo of Lossarnach
Macalaure (Barney Broadbottle), a Bree-lander from Staddle, Baritone
Gollum the Great - bass-baritone
Boromir 88 basso profundo, Rohan
Cailineomer, trouser role, Forodwaith

You're not singing anymore:

Meneltarmacil - baritone err Nazgul from Minal Morgul ORDO
Nogrod - lyric tenor in the end, Old Forest ORDO
Ilya, mezzo-soprano, vales of Anduin. ORDO
The guy who be wild (Woodwose) Singer-seer.

You're not voting anymore.

The Phantom (Opera Ghost)

Looks like 6.15 tomorrow again...

Aganzir · 01-10-2009, 12:34 PM

Ouch.

So did the wolves figure tgwbs was the seer or did they receive the information from the cobbler? Or did they just kill him because of some unknown reason? I'll go through his posts and see if I can gather anything.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 01-10-2009, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'll go through his posts and see if I can gather anything.

I'm in the process of doing that now. Whether the critics guessed he was worth lynching or the cobbler guessed he was worth eying, either way he must have said something worth pursuing.

Macalaure · 01-10-2009, 12:38 PM

Ouch indeed.

Did tgwbs say anything anywhere that pointed towards him being the seer? Need to check.

First the phantom and now the wild man? We can safely conclude that our critics have no sense of humour. But what can you expect from critics...

Feanor of the Peredhil · 01-10-2009, 12:41 PM

Have gathered all of his posts, now sifting through for statements about the game as opposed to syntactical references.

Will be around...

Aganzir · 01-10-2009, 01:36 PM

In his first post he suggested driving Fea and phantom out with sharp iron because they cause headache, even if innocent. Killing tricksy folk was his policy throughout day 1.

He thought phantom spoke logic but added that he is tricksy. Phantom could be cobbler but he didn't believe so. Later he thought and hoped phantom was innocent. Of course it's possible he had dreamed of phantom and been told he's the opera ghost, it would justify hoping he's innocent. Dunno though.

He was inclined to think also Boro and Nog innocent; didn't know what to think of Gwath and sally; thought I and Lari seemed reasonable; was wary of Mac (and Menel) who sounded too careful and found also Brinn's carefulness bad; thought Bowie seemed ok; was wary of Ilya but wanted to give her the benefit of doubt; and encouraged Shasta, Kath, Gollum, and Cailineomer to speak more.
Of Fea he said the following:

Quote:

Feanor Peredhillion - Make Wild Man head hurt. Say nothing of use. Wild Man want lynch.

I don't know if he could have dreamed of her and found her a baddie on night 1 or if this is just an expression of their mutual love, but it seems to be the strongest opinion he expressed on day 1.

He continued his Fea suspicions later:

Quote:

Feanor list no make Wild Man feel any better. Feanor suspect nobody. Feanor give no real information. Frivolous.

He also said he could vote Fea, Kath or Gollum, none of whom had votes, or Menel whom he was less willing to vote.
Then he said he wouldn't vote Gollum whom he didn't know or Fea as it would be a wasted vote because the appetite to lynch her seemed small. Considered voting Kath. Eventually he voted Fea, saying even if she isn't a wolf, she deserved it (for speaking in code). He justified his vote by saying that lynching someone else than Fea would remove potential helpful input and lynching Fea would remove headache.

After Kath had posted he said he was glad he hadn't voted her. Makes me rather sure he hadn't dreamed of her.
He didn't like the Nog votes and suggested voting Fea, Menel or Mac. Retracted his Fea vote to save Nog.

On day 2 he said the following concerning the revelation of phantom's role:

Quote:

This good new make up for last night double-lynch, think Wild Man.

I don't think it is very likely, but this could be interpreted so that he had dreamed of Nog on night 1 and got a new known innocent now. Hmm his later comment about the double lynching not being that bad after all kind of destroys this theory.

Then he analysed the voting. No opinion on Cailineomer. Not extremely wary about Mac. Suspicious of Gwath (defensive against Nog, speaks much yet says little and accuses Lari of the same). Suspicious of Fea for speaking much yet saying little and pushing bandwagon without being even suspicious of Menel. Didn't think Brinn looked very good because of convenient flip-flopping on suspicions, but her next post looked more innocent. Found Kath's words wise. Had no reason to suspect Boro and said he felt innocent. Was neutral towards sally. Found Ilya's throwaway-vote only mildly concerning. Worried of me for voting late despite being around, didn't like my suspicion of Mac (he had called my points against him good on day 1) and lynching Nog. Saw little reason to suspect Lari (I don't find the use of word see very important here given that there seems to be no reason he would have dreamed of an innocentish newbie this early).
His conclusion was the following:

Quote:

Most Innocent
Boro
Kath
-----------------
Brinniel
***************
Lariren-Shastanis-Strongbow-Gollum
***************
Ilya-Mac-Cailineomer
Sally
Gwath
-----------------
Fea-Aganzir
Most Guilty

Later he posted a few quotes by Fea that made her seem more critic in his eyes.

He said he was glad Brinn hadn't voted him or Mac, but he didn't like the Gollum suspicions either. Those were the three candidates Brinn had named in her post so I don't know if it means anything else but that tgwbs had changed his opinion on Mac.

Then he posted a new list which wasn't that different from the first though. I'm going to quote it here anyway.

Quote:

Most Innocent
Boro
Kath
-----------------
Brinniel
Gollum
Mac
***************
Lariren-Strongbow-Gwath-Cailineomer
***************
Ilya
Shastanis
Sally
-----------------
Fea-Aganzir
Most Guilty

I don't know how Gollum ended up being so high up when he hadn't posted much. It was only the suspicion against him because of being absent that tgwbs didn't like.

Voted Fea.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had dreamed of Fea and found her guilty on night 1. Besides dreaming of her would suit a seer who be short quite well. Another option would probably be Boro whom he seemed to trust rather much.
I don't know about his night 2 dream. Could be that it was Mac whom he found innocent - he had some suspicions against him on day 1 but on day 2 he seemed to think he was rather innocent.

edit: xed with phantom

Macalaure · 01-10-2009, 01:49 PM

The seer did get a dream in night 1, didn't he?

tgwbs definitely didn't dream of the phantom in Night 1. This speaks clearly against it:

Quote:

Originally Posted by tgwbs

Wild Man feel phantom speaks logic. But phantom indeed tricksy. Menel correct, perhaps phantom cobbler. But Wild Man believe not.

Yet, tgwbs was clearly after his tricksy folk on Day 1, tp and Fea. He voted Fea in the end.

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpos...&postcount=113

There are a couple in here that he could have dreamt of and found innocent. If he dreamt of a baddie, it had to be Fea. He is not that clear about anybody else.

The whole situation would make a lot of sense if Fea is the cobbler. If she is a critic, tgwbs would probably have died last night already. If she is the cobbler, the critics wouldn't have suspected tgwbs very much before, and only got the crucial information before Night 2.

This fits into the mold:

Quote:

Originally Posted by tgwbs

Even if she not wolf, she deserve!

It would also explain tgwbs's sigh before his vote. If he knew that Fea was the cobbler, he probably expected her to dream of him and then die.

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpos...&postcount=284

Options: he dreamt of me and found me to be the ordo that I am; he dreamt of Gwath and found him guilty (note how the end of the line about Gwath is the same as the end of the line about Fea).

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpos...&postcount=286

He did not dream of Brinn. Kath and Boro could have been found innocent, but looking at tgwbs's posts from Day 1, I don't think those two are likely dreams.

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpos...&postcount=300

Now he put me into the more suspicious lot, so he did not dream of me. If he dreamt of Boro, then he likely did so in Night 1 instead of Fea. What he says about Aganzir, along with him putting her on the same line with Fea, indicates that she has been dreamt of and has been found guilty. Since he was one of the failed Nogrod-savers, a dream of the most crucial Nogrod-voter would make a lot of sense. A dream of Gwath is less likely given his position in the list. Note that Boro and Kath are not on the same line: Kath has not been dreamt of. While he was suspicious of her on Day 1, he backed off it before the deadline.

In #329, it sounds like tgwbs does think of Fea as a critic, not a cobbler. He does not pursue Aganzir the way he pursues Fea, which makes a dream of Aganzir less likely.

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpos...&postcount=345

Then again, he keeps on writing their names on the same line...

If it wouldn't be so unlikely that tgwbs dreamt of Kath, I would consider it possible that he dreamt of her and Boro and found them innocent. However, he definitely dreamt of Fea. Anything else is inconceivable. It is also quite inconceivable that tgwbs wrote one known-to-him baddie on the same line with an only suspected baddie. Therefore:

Night 1: Fea
Night 2: Aganzir

*requests double lynch*

I'm not surprised at all that Fea and Aganzir are so eager to be the first to analyse tgwbs...

I have not yet read all the other analyses. I'll do that right away.

01-09-2009, 01:00 PM	#1
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Never mind, you're right. I found my error: I missed Agan's vote through Lari's cross post. Anyway, it's Ilya for 5. __________________ peace

01-09-2009, 01:05 PM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	I need a little more time on the death scene but I will not keep you in suspense. You are another ordo down. I'll let the critics know Walter's intelligence and then will await Seer, Critic and Plinge choices. Should be good for a 6pm start tomorrow. In the mean time I am ripping off a lovely aria for Ilya.. Sorry for the extra delay.. it would have been sensible to check vocal range before I started ... but another lovely Aria and if you kill a soprano at some point I'm prepared. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 01-09-2009 at 01:55 PM.

01-10-2009, 12:15 PM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	situation critical? The singers once again retired to their dressing rooms for the night. The true contestants were downcast by the loss of yet another of theitr number while the three critics and their ally were inwardly gloating. After they had picked up their message from Wlater the three critics chose there target and moved silently along the pasages of the opera house to where their next victim was singing, confident that the contestants' luck would soon change with his help: Der Kritikerfänger bin ich ja, Stets lustig heissa hopsasa! Ich Kritikerfänger bin bekannt bei Alt und Jung im ganzen Land. Weiß mit dem Lokken umzugehn und mich aufs Pfeiffen zu verstehen! Drum kann ich froh und lustig sein, Denn alle Kritiker sind ja mein. Papageno "That's what you think!" they chorused in harmony as they burst in, not even bothering to tell him he was out of his range struggling with his tessitura. This time the singer would be dispatched and would stay dispatched. And they had hit the jackpot. Remaining Sally, soprano Lariren , soprano, Ithilien Feanor of the Peredhil, Belfalas (mezzo-)soprano Brinniel, mezzo-soprano, Harad Kath contralto Aganzir, Minas Tirith contralto Gwathagor (Gwathagorio), lyric tenor/spinto Sindar of Eriador Shastanis Althreduin (tenor leggierio / lyric tenor) Strongbow, Bowissimo of Lossarnach Macalaure (Barney Broadbottle), a Bree-lander from Staddle, Baritone Gollum the Great - bass-baritone Boromir 88 basso profundo, Rohan Cailineomer, trouser role, Forodwaith You're not singing anymore: Meneltarmacil - baritone err Nazgul from Minal Morgul ORDO Nogrod - lyric tenor in the end, Old Forest ORDO Ilya, mezzo-soprano, vales of Anduin. ORDO The guy who be wild (Woodwose) Singer-seer. You're not voting anymore. The Phantom (Opera Ghost) Looks like 6.15 tomorrow again... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 05-07-2011 at 10:50 AM.

01-10-2009, 12:34 PM	#5
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	Ouch. So did the wolves figure tgwbs was the seer or did they receive the information from the cobbler? Or did they just kill him because of some unknown reason? I'll go through his posts and see if I can gather anything. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

01-10-2009, 12:41 PM	#8
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Have gathered all of his posts, now sifting through for statements about the game as opposed to syntactical references. Will be around... __________________ peace

01-09-2009, 02:19 PM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	Ilya departs... The second day had started with the singers being astounded by the revelation of the Phantom's true identity. Well three of them had to pretend to be astounded and the rest perhaps should not have been so astounded given that the opera ghost had taken a Ronseal approach to his disguise. The singers' confidence had been knocked by the loss of two of their number the previous night and while they didn't know if htey could trust the Phantom knew that the three critics and their accomplice were still among them. This made them cautious in their voting and a third of them abstained or missed the deadline. This time their vote was overwhelming. Ilya , though she had sung more than other possibilities had been accused of mimicry, of offering too little of her own interpretation – she had to be a Critic not a true executant musician. She must go. Her farewell aria gave a clue to her distraction – she had fallen under the spell of the Opera Ghost and now that she was to be parted from him by distance as well as the boundaries of life and death, the girl from the Vales of Anduin sang of her sorrow in a voice that indicated so clearly that she was a true artiste and no critic: De cet affreux combat je sors l'âme brisée ! Mais enfin je suis libre et je pourrai du moins Soupirer sans contrainte et souffrir sans témoins. Pleurez ! pleurez mes yeux ! tombez triste rosée Qu'un rayon de soleil ne doit jamais tarir ! S'il me reste un espoir, c'est de bientôt mourir ! Pleurez mes yeux, pleurez toutes mes larmes ! pleurez mes yeux ! Mais qui donc a voulu l'éternité des pleurs ? O chers ensevelis, trouvez-vous tant de charmes à léguer aux vivants d'implacables douleurs ? Hélas ! je me souviens... il me disait : Avec ton doux sourire... Tu ne saurais jamais conduire Qu'aux chemins glorieux ou qu'aux sentiers bénis ! Ah ! Fantôme ! Hélas ! Pleurez! pleurez mes yeux ! tombez triste rosée Qu'un rayon de soleil ne doit jamais tarir ! Pleurez mes yeux ! Ah ! pleurez toutes vos larmes ! pleurez mes yeux ! Great voice and interpretation though a tad slow perhaps With orchestra but think sounds better with a mezzo Unpolished but wow what a voice Night 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Remaining Sally, soprano Lariren , soprano, Ithilien Feanor of the Peredhil, Belfalas (mezzo-)soprano Brinniel, mezzo-soprano, Harad Kath contralto Aganzir, Minas Tirith contralto Gwathagor (Gwathagorio), lyric tenor/spinto Sindar of Eriador Shastanis Althreduin (tenor leggierio / lyric tenor) Strongbow, Bowissimo of Lossarnach Macalaure (Barney Broadbottle), a Bree-lander from Staddle, Baritone Gollum the Great - bass-baritone TGWBS - bass, woodwose, Boromir 88 basso profundo, Rohan Cailineomer, trouser role, Forodwaith You're not singing anymore: Meneltarmacil - baritone err Nazgul from Minal Morgul ORDO Nogrod - lyric tenor in the end, Old Forest ORDO Ilya, mezzo-soprano, vales of Anduin. ORDO You're not voting anymore. The Phantom (Opera Ghost) __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 01-09-2009 at 02:39 PM.

01-10-2009, 12:38 PM	#7
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Ouch indeed. Did tgwbs say anything anywhere that pointed towards him being the seer? Need to check. First the phantom and now the wild man? We can safely conclude that our critics have no sense of humour. But what can you expect from critics...