T-I-G LV Sing when you're winning

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I agree, Agan. I'm vaguely counting the number of times he said to lynch both of us

Hmm I don't think he ever said he wanted to lynch me.

edit: xed with Fea

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Hmm I don't think he ever said he wanted to lynch me.

Most guilty: Fea and Aganzir. Twice.

I mean, he certainly wanted me lynched, but that doesn't make it any less apparent that he thought you were quite a threat to the village.

Which dream makes more sense: waste a dream on self-destructive nutjob Fea who will get herself lynched 'just in case' by day three anyway, or use a dream on a quietly dangerous lower-level threat who is likely to skate through without ever raising more than a trickle of suspicion?

I know how I work as a seer.

I'd never bother dreaming of myself. Or the phantom. I'd assume they'd die off without my bother. Nog I'd dream of. Agan, Boro, Brinn, Mac. Those types. The dangerous ones who are capable of standing off to the side of those who go down in a haze of gory.

[Aganzir]

I'd dream of you before me, just because you're always so hard to figure out. And at least in the game we were wolves together you were rather a quietly dangerous lower-level threat than a self-destructive nutjob.

Yeah Mac the seer got a dream on night 1.

I thought it was possible he had dreamed of you and found you innocent on night 2 although he put you to the suspicion category at first. It wouldn't get so much attention if he gradually moved you to the innocent lot. I don't know how likely that is though.

I'm rather baffled about him writing our names on the same line. If he was equally certain about both of us, it'd mean he hadn't dreamed of either, but his constant suspicions against Fea indicate otherwise.

edit: xed with Boro & Gollum

[Boromir88]

Maybe it's good that I have a long driveway to shovel today and am packed in a foot of snow, I might sit these early hours out and do some work - I can't be barricaded in my house tomorrow.

Anyway, I almost forgot about the possibility of finding WP. Which I agree with Mac, either Night 1 or Night 2 it was Fea. His vote on Day 1 could either be a statement of intent for his dream on Night 2 (Fea), or he spotted Fea on Night 1, not a critic, but the tricksy WP.

And if Fea is Walter, it would make sense she would choose him the next Night, dumping the info to the wolves.

[the phantom]

Hmm- am I hearing an echo?

[Macalaure]

Seeing how desperate Fea is today, I'm even more convinced of her guilt. There is no astonishment like: "Jay was the seer?? Then why the §$%& did he think I was guilty all the time?". Instead, Fea is on the defense from her first post on.
Also:

Originally Posted by Fea

I know how I work as a seer.

Different seers work differently.


Aganzir's analysis is tricksy. If she and Fea are in cahoots, she decided to let Fea go down and save herself.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm rather baffled about him writing our names on the same line.

I'm rather baffled that you point this out only in your next post and not in the analysis itself. To me, it's the most conspicuous feature of tgwbs's posting. This is actually the way I would do it if I was bad: analyse everything truthfully and then not play down or defend yourself against the things said about oneself, but simply omit it as far as possible and hope everybody else overlooks it or is too lazy.



I came, I saw Boro's analysis, I did not believe my eyes.

Originally Posted by Boro

This from post 37 would also suggest that his Day 1 dream was not a wolf.

What did you expect him to do after a lucky Night 1 dream of a critic or maybe only a cobbler? Walk around and exclaim what you found, or pursue evil in a concealed way? You either let yourself be blinded by tgwbs's headache-talk, or your analysis is malevolent.

Edit: hmm... now you relativise it.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I'm rather baffled that you point this out only in your next post and not in the analysis itself.

Because I realised it only after I saw your post. Earlier I had just thought, 'ok, he suspects us both,' but I had paid no attention to the fact that he seemed to suspect us equally until you said it aloud.

edit: xed with Lari & Boro

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Mac

There is no astonishment like: "Jay was the seer?? Then why the §$%& did he think I was guilty all the time?".

Of course there's no astonishment, sweetheart. Even if I felt it, do you really think I'd type it? Who would believe me if I showed up the day after the seer had been killed, the very seer who'd been regularly trying to get me lynched, and said sweetly, batting my eyelashes, "Oh my, oh dear dear dear, who could have done such a thing?" Nobody would believe me, they'd assume I was a lying devious little thing. So why pretend like he didn't suspect me? Why play act like I don't know the village will see me as its greatest threat now, whether or not I am? It would be very Blagojovich of me to come in and say "But I'm so totally innocent! I can't wait to prove to you how innocent I am!" when all the apparent evidence, whether it's circumstantial or not, points to my phonelines having been tapped. You follow? Of course I'm innocent, but it's a wasted breath for me to bother trying to profess it when the 'evidence' is so solidly against me.

It is an ordo's duty to help the village catch a wolf. I understand that the village is all but obligated to lynch me today, just in case. I also understand that I'd go out much more happily if I knew that the entire day wasn't dedicated solely to saying, "But of course she's guilty," while letting the bad guys off the hook.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Different seers work differently.

Yes, darling, but I've only ever been myself, never somebody else.

Originally Posted by Mac

If she and Fea are in cahoots, she decided to let Fea go down and save herself.

If she's a 'wolf,' she found a fantastic human shield. Who's going to blame her for turning on me now? Either that or she's an ordo and is just seriously misguided.

Originally Posted by Mac

I came, I saw Boro's analysis, I did not believe my eyes.

Nor did I. While I am happy to profess that the overwhelming evidence against me is merely inconvenient assumptions which are unfortunately wrong, I find it hard to believe that Boro would support me.

I find it hard to believe that anybody would support me.

If I was playing werewolf with myself, I'd certainly lynch me based on the events of the past Night.

Originally Posted by Lari

To be honest I thought Agan was the seer(I feel like its ok to say that now, considering we know who the seer was) but nothing much else from her.

Why?

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It's clear cut and dry, either it happened on Night 1 or Night 2, and Night 1 he didn't dream of a critic.

He also never said he dreamed of a critic at all. He just said he didn't trust me. That's nothing new to me. Nobody trusts me. You yourself, Boro, said that I'm the type of person who'd stab you in the back after talking pretty.

[Boromir88]

Hmm- am I hearing an echo?

~tp

To deny Fea was tgwbs dream and there isn't something sneaky about her is suicide. There will be a lot of echoing today.

It's clear cut and dry, either it happened on Night 1 or Night 2, and Night 1 he didn't dream of a critic.

[Lariren Shadow]

People who tgwbs thought were suspicious: Fea, Agan, Gwath, Sally, Ilya, Mac, and Cailin. Though most suspicious of Fea and Agan.

People who tgwbs was guilty: Brinn, Mac on the first day

Mac made an interesting point with the “I don't really understand why the wild man narrowed himself down to Fea and Kath in the end.” About tgwbs’s vote. I didn’t understand tgwbs’s reasoning then because he made this long post:
"Wild Man make boo-boo. Great Mother-Goddess extent deadline. Ergo, real deadline now little under two man-hour away.

Wild Man make following thought process:

Not vote gollum, for not know him. Not know if quiet is normal. Kill him may waste ordinary life.

Not vote Fea. Appetite for lynch Fea small. Therefore vote waste.

Therefore Wild Man say to self: vote Kath!

Now Kath come. Kath say she post again perhaps. Therefore cannot yet vote Kath."

But he did want to lynch Fea and started on the whole Fea kick again yesterDay.

But he did answer to the whole switching voting in this:
"Read again post 137. Wild Man not say definitely not vote Fea - Wild Man refer to previous thought process, Wild Man unable decide who vote out of Fea, Kath, Gollum. Then, Fea come purposefully talk in riddle again, cause more headache. Therefore Wild Man vote Fea."

Those two also have comments back and forth about if the roles in the game were random or not. Apparently, some were and some weren’t. I don’t think that matters much in the long run, but would Mith put Fea as a critic on purpose? Or would it be too obvious? But she is guilty, maybe not a critic, but the cobbler?

Pretty much tgwbs’s wanting to lynch Fea the first day was headache and/or he believed her post about being a wolf(highly unlikely). But since he was the seer and seeing her tricks Day 1 he probably would have dreamed of her. And then he goes on a “lynch Fea” kick but also suspects Agan. It leads me to believe that, though we'll never know, he dreamed of Agan last night.

It seems that Fea is guilty of something.

It is interesting that Agan is always in the same place as Fea. To be honest I thought Agan was the seer(I feel like its ok to say that now, considering we know who the seer was) but nothing much else from her.

Votes for either of them would be good for tonight.

I just find it interesting the Brinn suspects tgwbs of being guilty for the past 2 Days and he turns out to be the seer.

I think I may have lost my train of thought once or twice during this post.

How many dreams did the seer get? I can't seem to figure it out.

Edit: In my process of writing this it has been come redundant with all the cross-posting.