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Lush · 01-12-2009, 05:14 AM

Well, they really took the whole "we captured and tortured Frodo" thing and laid it out there, hence giving Aragorn a reason to lose his temper (and he is very different from the book Aragorn, of course). Not a very great or convincing reason, because even the movie Aragorn was more restrained and thoughtful than that, but it worked visually, Eomer is right. And the Mouth wasn't really a guy, was he? He seemed more like a reanimated corpse - a direct extension of Sauron.

I personally didn't how he spoke with a very obvious foreign accent - Middle Eastern, was it? Guess I'm just sick of the "dark, barbaric foreigner" meme. Coupled with the "men of the West line," complete with terrible delivery from Viggo (an excellent Strider, imho, and a pretty bad King), it was just so blatant, there was no nuance. And I'm as big of a fan of dark, Other-izing tales as... um, other people?

thewichtking · 01-12-2009, 08:46 AM

i always thought the mouth of sauron was a sorcerer in the service of sauron who came over from the east many, many years ago and honesty i don't Viggo um um i don't remember his last name right now you know who i'm talking about. anyway i dont think he did a good aragorn

Morthoron · 01-12-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lush

And the Mouth wasn't really a guy, was he? He seemed more like a reanimated corpse - a direct extension of Sauron.

I personally didn't how he spoke with a very obvious foreign accent - Middle Eastern, was it? Guess I'm just sick of the "dark, barbaric foreigner" meme. Coupled with the "men of the West line," complete with terrible delivery from Viggo (an excellent Strider, imho, and a pretty bad King), it was just so blatant, there was no nuance. And I'm as big of a fan of dark, Other-izing tales as... um, other people?

Actually, the Mouth of Sauron was a man, and a Black Numenorean at that, so his accent should have been Aussie like Faramir and Denethor.

Lush · 01-12-2009, 05:13 PM

The way they presented him the movies - there was just no context. He was a monster. And a scary one at that.

Lindale · 01-12-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lush

The way they presented him the movies - there was just no context. He was a monster. And a scary one at that.

Compare it with Orlando Bloom Legolas. When the first movie was shown I was in my sixth grade in an all-girl school. Everybody was just... crazy for that. And I found myself suddenly flocked by questions on what Legolas is supposed to be.

It's the movies, and... it's commercialized.

Beregond · 01-12-2009, 09:40 PM

Orlando Bloom may have done more (both good and bad) for the popularity of The Lord of the Rings movie, book, and franchise, than anyone else.

Lush · 01-13-2009, 02:45 AM

Orlando is my boy. I wasn't a book fan when I went to see the first film, I hadn't gotten around to reading Tolkien at that point, so I was going "whoooo's that?" along with the rest of them. Although, the guy who was explaining everything to me wasn't as traumatized as you with your classmates - I bet. We were in our last year of high school, and he and i did end up seeing each other for a while... Hmmm. Maybe that's where it all began, actually, at that fateful FotR viewing!

Of course, poor Bloom had the worst lines ("a diversion" - I'm still giggling over that years later), which, in a way, is just as bad as the way they set up the Mouth of Sauron.

Or maybe not. The Mouth of Sauron did not provide any visual gratification.

thewichtking · 01-13-2009, 09:28 AM

where getting of the subject this thread is on merry

01-12-2009, 05:14 AM	#1
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	Well, they really took the whole "we captured and tortured Frodo" thing and laid it out there, hence giving Aragorn a reason to lose his temper (and he is very different from the book Aragorn, of course). Not a very great or convincing reason, because even the movie Aragorn was more restrained and thoughtful than that, but it worked visually, Eomer is right. And the Mouth wasn't really a guy, was he? He seemed more like a reanimated corpse - a direct extension of Sauron. I personally didn't how he spoke with a very obvious foreign accent - Middle Eastern, was it? Guess I'm just sick of the "dark, barbaric foreigner" meme. Coupled with the "men of the West line," complete with terrible delivery from Viggo (an excellent Strider, imho, and a pretty bad King), it was just so blatant, there was no nuance. And I'm as big of a fan of dark, Other-izing tales as... um, other people? __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

01-12-2009, 05:13 PM	#4
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	The way they presented him the movies - there was just no context. He was a monster. And a scary one at that. __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

01-12-2009, 09:40 PM	#6
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	Orlando Bloom may have done more (both good and bad) for the popularity of The Lord of the Rings movie, book, and franchise, than anyone else. __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

01-13-2009, 02:45 AM	#7
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	Orlando is my boy. I wasn't a book fan when I went to see the first film, I hadn't gotten around to reading Tolkien at that point, so I was going "whoooo's that?" along with the rest of them. Although, the guy who was explaining everything to me wasn't as traumatized as you with your classmates - I bet. We were in our last year of high school, and he and i did end up seeing each other for a while... Hmmm. Maybe that's where it all began, actually, at that fateful FotR viewing! Of course, poor Bloom had the worst lines ("a diversion" - I'm still giggling over that years later), which, in a way, is just as bad as the way they set up the Mouth of Sauron. Or maybe not. The Mouth of Sauron did not provide any visual gratification. __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

01-12-2009, 08:46 AM	#2
thewichtking Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 42	i always thought the mouth of sauron was a sorcerer in the service of sauron who came over from the east many, many years ago and honesty i don't Viggo um um i don't remember his last name right now you know who i'm talking about. anyway i dont think he did a good aragorn

01-13-2009, 09:28 AM	#8
thewichtking Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 42	where getting of the subject this thread is on merry