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the phantom · 01-17-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fea

By the end, I knew he was special.

I was so hoping we'd bagged a seer...

Ah, so I was partly right when I made this statement on Day 2-

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Give Fea some credit. She's a tricksy back-stabber if I ever saw one. She would totally play along with a ploy and then kill me. Especially if she thought the ploy was real. Or a cover for a gifted (Seer pretending to be the Divo pretending to be a Lover).

Feanor of the Peredhil · 01-17-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Ah, so I was partly right when I made this statement on Day 2-

You were so accurate with your summary of what I might have been up to that I just about spat my drink out on my keyboard giggling.

I was soooo irritated you were still alive because I had no idea if you were going to peg me for the baddie that I was. That was why I'd tried killing you in the first place! And then you were still conversant and had the added information of somebody having tried to kill you.

I mean, the ploy was sort of legit... I wanted to find out if you were gifted, and I wanted to make the village suspect Nog. Both of my goals succeeded, which delighted me. I also wanted to find out what you knew about Nog, because gifted or not, you tend to have excellent insight (hence my attempted assassination).

Sigh.

This was such an excellent game...

Mithalwen · 01-17-2009, 01:08 PM

Only thing that rankles - of all the blooming times I have tried to get Nogrod lynched day one when he WAS a wolf.... anyway I think it has set up a good day 2

That was my comment to TGWBS after the double lynch day one...

Gwathagor · 01-17-2009, 01:43 PM

Great game everybody!

Lariren Shadow · 01-17-2009, 02:15 PM

Yes woah! Good game everyone!

I do have some/most of the PMs...just not the ones I sent that I deleted. So here goes:

Fate dictates
that you, Fea, Lariren, and Gwathagor are my wolves (critics in this game) - what are the odds Fea but I swear it is the way the cookie crumbled.

You get to talk at night and have the help of Walter Plinge - a cobbler/spy. Walter will dead-drop a snippet of information at the beginning of each night game night that he lives - bit like a reverse seer. Try not to kill him too soon

Fellow wolves,

I won't be around today (I'm watching the LotR Trilogy straight through), but please PM away. I'll read everything this evening.

-Gwath

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Originally Posted by Gwathagor
Fellow wolves,

I won't be around today (I'm watching the LotR Trilogy straight through), but please PM away. I'll read everything this evening.
No worries. Lariren and I are doing first-day-of-class things, like going to classes, and then running haven't-been-here-in-a-month errands.

Obviously (or maybe not obviously, for Lariren's benefit) we don't get to choose a kill on Night One, only discuss strategies. Here's the goal for Day One: don't get killed.

Lariren, you'll get the benefit of the doubt, particularly if I plant the seed of, "I picked the roles in my game. Do you really think Mith would choose a brand new player to be a wolf in her revival game of old faces?"

I'd go with asking a lot of questions, figuring out the rules, making yourself known to people, but without them forgetting that you've never done this before. Everybody feels guilty about killing a newbie on the first Day.

Gwath, I have complete faith in your ability to not-die.

Me? Well, if the phantom or Boro (or Brinn! She was so my downfall in the last game I played for real...) are Seer, I'm distinctly in trouble, so unless I come up with a foolproof way of getting village trust (like give them one of you on a silver platter), don't support me too publicly. I'm bad news to be friends with, especially if you're on my side.

Night Two we can deal with when Night Two rolls around. Nights are for Seer-Hunting, but also for covering your tracks.

Since there's not much to discuss, and I've got a new issue of Cosmo to read, I'll leave off for now.

Re: Fate dictates
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Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow
It could also be good to through out there that it would be stupid to give the newbie a wolf roll as well as Fea being one.
We could do that... if we wanted to suggest to them that I'm a wolf.

Which we don't.

Because we don't want me to die.

Or at least I don't want me to die.

I say we play it by ear, aim for self-preservation, and pretend none of us have ever had anything to do with each other.
Fea

Night 2
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha! Double lynch! Oh man! Ha ha ha!

Anyway - Fea, what was all that stuff between you and the Phantom? It made me feel awfully stupid.

-Gwath

Re: Night 2
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Originally Posted by Gwathagor
Anyway - Fea, what was all that stuff between you and the Phantom? It made me feel awfully stupid.
Yeah, sorry about that... I'm just a sadist and I thought it would be funny to send him off on a chase through all of his posts so he'd learn what it's like to try and critically assess everything he says.

In summary: it was almost entirely just me giggling evilly over here.

However it was me playing jokes with a purpose behind them.

Get this: I was talking about how on page three the phantom said "*whispers to werewolves* You want to kill Nog."

It just seemed downright weird that he would name a specific player to tease the wolves with, you know? Especially after having said point blank on page one that Nogrod would "help me catch the critics." The phantom rarely makes direct statements unless he has direct knowledge. Notice how he said that a bunch of us were up to something, that he's not allowed to talk to Boro, that Sally's innocent, but will make mistakes. He usually hedges. And he was being exceptionally blatant.

So I figured that it didn't actually mean anything about Nog, but that it might mean something about the phantom, but I also remembered Nog saying he was the divo, and thinking "It would be funny if he really was."

So my point of that ridiculous series of vaguenesses was to get the phantom to lead me to anything he'd said that was actually of any substance so that I could make a better informed guess of his role. I didn't expect him at any point to come and say anything real, but I was intending for him to think I'd spotted what he said about Nog 'singing' (which Boro also noticed) , and let me know if he was goofing around or if he had (wink wink) solid knowledge of anything.

My secondary goal, besides to learn whether or not the phantom is gifted (I think yes), was to direct the village to kill off Nogrod, who is always a threat, thereby curing us of a player who is a dangerous ordo without us having to do any of the dirty work, and thereby incriminating the phantom (and, conveniently, Boro) while we're at it.

Of course I never could have suspected the fantastic double lynch bandwagon that ended up happening. I only hope we didn't nail our Cobbler in the fray.

But yeah...

That thing with the phantom was me testing him to see if he would drop a few gifted hints, which he did. So now all I have to do is figure out if they were real hints, or if they were "kill me and give the seer another night" hints.

Now I eagerly await the narration...

Re: Night 2
Woo hoo! Double ordo kill!
Gwath

Lariren Shadow · 01-17-2009, 02:32 PM

Gwath:
Re: Night 2
Do we want to try to kill a gifted (and risk attacking dear Walter or the diva/o), or do we want to shoot for an ordo? I am tempted to suggest that we kill the phantom, if only for his remark toDay that he could direct the nightly kills through clever manipulation.

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Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow
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Originally Posted by Gwathagor
Woo hoo! Double ordo kill!

Now who do we kill tonight?

Fea:
Re: Night 2
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Originally Posted by Gwathagor
I am tempted to suggest that we kill the phantom, if only for his remark toDay that he could direct the nightly kills through clever manipulation.
I say yes, we kill the phantom. Because I know well that he can manipulate. Mostly just because while I'd LOVE to keep him around for entertainment value, who would ever think I'd choose to kill him at night?

Anyway...

Yes, I think we should kill the phantom. We can always use our knowledge of Mac's ordo-ness to our advantage later. Why kill off a perfectly good piece of cannon-fodder early?

Gwath:
Re: Night 2
Ok, well, let's kill the Phantom then. I doubt that he is the divo - surely our Mod wouldn't do anything so...obvious? Intuitive? Expected? I really couldn't say whether he's the cobbler or not, but I'm willing to risk it.

And, hey, Lariren, we can talk about WHATEVER we like in our PMs. But, yeah, you've got the right idea.

-Gwath

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Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Sounds like a good plan. Plus killing the phantom kind of throws suspicions off of all of us. He might not think Fea would kill him and I'm under his "protection" and he seems to not think anything bad of Gwath. There are a lot of others out there attacking him, we could use that to our advantage. At least I think there are other suspicious of him. I really hope that made sense.

Plus I have a feeling Ilya and Boro are the lovers.

And tell me if that's not what this messaging is for.

Fea:
Re: Night 2
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Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow
And tell me if that's not what this messaging is for.
Nope. You're dead on. Good girl.

Fea:
Re: Night 2
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Originally Posted by Gwathagor
Ok, well, let's kill the Phantom then.
Okay, I'm on it.

Fea:
Tonight
Lari and I would really like to pick off TGWBSuspecting Me.

Do you mind/have a different preference?

Gwath:
Re: Tonight
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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil
Lari and I would really like to pick off TGWBSuspecting Me.

Do you mind/have a different preference?
Why him in particular? Do you think people are likely to listen to him? If so, then let's by all means kill him.

Fea:
Re: Tonight
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Originally Posted by Gwathagor
Why him in particular? Do you think people are likely to listen to him? If so, then let's by all means kill him.
Him in particular because if he's the Seer, I'd love to knock him off now, and if he's not the Seer, it still keeps him from pointing out with such enthusiasm that I'm obviously evil.

I'm always willing to take my chances with "Would Fea have done that?" but I sort of hate not cleaning up threats while it's still easy to do so.

Gwath:
FW: Tonight
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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil
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Originally Posted by Gwathagor
Why him in particular? Do you think people are likely to listen to him? If so, then let's by all means kill him.
Him in particular because if he's the Seer, I'd love to knock him off now, and if he's not the Seer, it still keeps him from pointing out with such enthusiasm that I'm obviously evil.

I'm always willing to take my chances with "Would Fea have done that?" but I sort of hate not cleaning up threats while it's still easy to do so.
Ok, let's do it and see how it turns out.

Gwath:
Re: Who do we want to kill?
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Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow
So, Fea is dead. Now who do we want to kill tonight in an attempt to not throw suspicion on us? I'm thinking someone we both think is innocent. What about you?
Yes. We also want to kill someone smart, someone who is likely to bring unwanted direction and accuracy to the village.

Obviously, we do not want to kill either Mac or Aganzir just yet because of the suspicion they are under.

I don't want to kill Boro, because I think he might be the cobbler. He made a few comments toDay about Fea that made me wonder, so let's hold off on him.

What about Brinniel? Do you have any ideas?

Gwath:
Re: Who do we want to kill?
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Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow
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Originally Posted by Gwathagor
What about Brinniel? Do you have any ideas?
I was thinking her or Sally or Kath, but Kath is the Diva so that doesn't help. I like going with Brinn, she thought we were both innocent on Day 2.
Ok, I'll send a message to Mith.

Gwath:
Night Stuff
No way are we killing Mac or Sally. They got votes toDay, which means they might draw votes toMorrow, and anyone who is going to draw votes who isn't us is someone we want to keep around. Let's kill someone who is not going to get lynched otherwise. Boro maybe?

Also, who do you think the cobbler is?

-Sir Gwathahad

Gwath:
Night
Oh yeah. Or we could definitely kill Aganzir, as you say. That would be a very very obvious lynch, and therefore attributable to anybody. They would have a hard time pinning it on us specifically.

Gwath:
Night Stuff
Hey Lariren, I'm sorry about my inbox being full! My internet has been down for the past 15 hours or something like that, so I couldn't do anything about it. I hope you just took the initiative and PMed a kill choice to Mithalwen.

-Gwath

And message I never actually sent to Gwath(his inbox was full):
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Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Oh yeah. Or we could definitely kill Aganzir, as you say. That would be a very very obvious lynch, and therefore attributable to anybody. They would have a hard time pinning it on us specifically.

Yeah thats the thing. She did accuse me when I teamed up with Mac to get Gollum(I just wanted him gone) but then I said I regretted my vote. And explained it all.

I think Agan would be a good kill, but I'm still having a hard time figuring out who the cobbler is. Part of me wants to say its Boro but then again he(he right?) been working a case against Kath.

Maybe it is Mac because he said he wasn't the divo.

Anyway I think Agan is a dangerous player at the moment but I'm up for her or Mac(because, really, we could then get Boro/Kath lynched for that).

Lariren Shadow · 01-17-2009, 02:33 PM

PS: Gwath I totally freaked out at your vote. Especially since I wasn't going to be on the computer for that much longer.

01-17-2009, 01:08 PM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	On the subject of Nog.. Only thing that rankles - of all the blooming times I have tried to get Nogrod lynched day one when he WAS a wolf.... anyway I think it has set up a good day 2 That was my comment to TGWBS after the double lynch day one... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-17-2009, 01:43 PM	#4
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Great game everybody! __________________ Stories and songs.

01-17-2009, 02:15 PM	#5
Lariren Shadow Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Where the day meets the night Posts: 607	Yes woah! Good game everyone! I do have some/most of the PMs...just not the ones I sent that I deleted. So here goes: Fate dictates that you, Fea, Lariren, and Gwathagor are my wolves (critics in this game) - what are the odds Fea but I swear it is the way the cookie crumbled. You get to talk at night and have the help of Walter Plinge - a cobbler/spy. Walter will dead-drop a snippet of information at the beginning of each night game night that he lives - bit like a reverse seer. Try not to kill him too soon Fellow wolves, I won't be around today (I'm watching the LotR Trilogy straight through), but please PM away. I'll read everything this evening. -Gwath Quote: Originally Posted by Gwathagor Fellow wolves, I won't be around today (I'm watching the LotR Trilogy straight through), but please PM away. I'll read everything this evening. No worries. Lariren and I are doing first-day-of-class things, like going to classes, and then running haven't-been-here-in-a-month errands. Obviously (or maybe not obviously, for Lariren's benefit) we don't get to choose a kill on Night One, only discuss strategies. Here's the goal for Day One: don't get killed. Lariren, you'll get the benefit of the doubt, particularly if I plant the seed of, "I picked the roles in my game. Do you really think Mith would choose a brand new player to be a wolf in her revival game of old faces?" I'd go with asking a lot of questions, figuring out the rules, making yourself known to people, but without them forgetting that you've never done this before. Everybody feels guilty about killing a newbie on the first Day. Gwath, I have complete faith in your ability to not-die. Me? Well, if the phantom or Boro (or Brinn! She was so my downfall in the last game I played for real...) are Seer, I'm distinctly in trouble, so unless I come up with a foolproof way of getting village trust (like give them one of you on a silver platter), don't support me too publicly. I'm bad news to be friends with, especially if you're on my side. Night Two we can deal with when Night Two rolls around. Nights are for Seer-Hunting, but also for covering your tracks. Since there's not much to discuss, and I've got a new issue of Cosmo to read, I'll leave off for now. Re: Fate dictates Quote: Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow It could also be good to through out there that it would be stupid to give the newbie a wolf roll as well as Fea being one. We could do that... if we wanted to suggest to them that I'm a wolf. Which we don't. Because we don't want me to die. Or at least I don't want me to die. I say we play it by ear, aim for self-preservation, and pretend none of us have ever had anything to do with each other. Fea Night 2 Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha! Double lynch! Oh man! Ha ha ha! Anyway - Fea, what was all that stuff between you and the Phantom? It made me feel awfully stupid. -Gwath Re: Night 2 Quote: Originally Posted by Gwathagor Anyway - Fea, what was all that stuff between you and the Phantom? It made me feel awfully stupid. Yeah, sorry about that... I'm just a sadist and I thought it would be funny to send him off on a chase through all of his posts so he'd learn what it's like to try and critically assess everything he says. In summary: it was almost entirely just me giggling evilly over here. However it was me playing jokes with a purpose behind them. Get this: I was talking about how on page three the phantom said "whispers to werewolves You want to kill Nog." It just seemed downright weird that he would name a specific player to tease the wolves with, you know? Especially after having said point blank on page one that Nogrod would "help me catch the critics." The phantom rarely makes direct statements unless he has direct knowledge. Notice how he said that a bunch of us were up to something, that he's not allowed to talk to Boro, that Sally's innocent, but will make mistakes. He usually hedges. And he was being exceptionally blatant. So I figured that it didn't actually mean anything about Nog, but that it might mean something about the phantom, but I also remembered Nog saying he was the divo, and thinking "It would be funny if he really was." So my point of that ridiculous series of vaguenesses was to get the phantom to lead me to anything he'd said that was actually of any substance so that I could make a better informed guess of his role. I didn't expect him at any point to come and say anything real, but I was intending for him to think I'd spotted what he said about Nog 'singing' (which Boro also noticed) , and let me know if he was goofing around or if he had (wink wink) solid knowledge of anything. My secondary goal, besides to learn whether or not the phantom is gifted (I think yes), was to direct the village to kill off Nogrod, who is always a threat, thereby curing us of a player who is a dangerous ordo without us having to do any of the dirty work, and thereby incriminating the phantom (and, conveniently, Boro) while we're at it. Of course I never could have suspected the fantastic double lynch bandwagon that ended up happening. I only hope we didn't nail our Cobbler in the fray. But yeah... That thing with the phantom was me testing him to see if he would drop a few gifted hints, which he did. So now all I have to do is figure out if they were real hints, or if they were "kill me and give the seer another night" hints. Now I eagerly await the narration... Re: Night 2 Woo hoo! Double ordo kill! Gwath __________________ Choose treachery, its more fun!

01-17-2009, 02:33 PM	#7
Lariren Shadow Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Where the day meets the night Posts: 607	PS: Gwath I totally freaked out at your vote. Especially since I wasn't going to be on the computer for that much longer. __________________ Choose treachery, its more fun!