T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Kitanna]

“Kill Mac!” Legate cried, waving one of his herring in the air.

“No get Lommy! Wait, no kill Gollum!” Rikae cried out. “I get more ice cream if Mac lives.”

“Brinn's a monster and very cranky. Send her to the gallows.” Gollum yelled.

The villagers were really at each other's throats. Since they discovered wraiths among them the gloves had come off and no one was playing nice anymore. Though no one had ever expected to turn on their neighbors, but now it was time. Someone had to die.

“Gollum, he's all talk, like he's trying to hide something.” Brinn said.

“He's an easy target.” Rune rolled his eyes.

“No, it must be Gollum!” Mac cried out.

The villagers picked up their pitchforks. Gollum backed away from the crowd. “You've all gone mad! I'm innocent!” But the mob had spoken.

The traveling weapons salesman had backed himself up against Mirandir hog pen. The villagers advanced, some wielded hammers, others pitchforks, but all were armed with rocks. No one was sure who threw the first stone, but it hit the accused between the eyes. He stumbled backwards into the hog pen.

In the excitement of the day no one had bothered to feed the poor beasts. Now it seemed as though dinner had come to them and it was still warm. In their hungry frenzy the hogs rushed for Gollum. The stone to the head had disoriented him for a second, but he didn't regain composure fast enough to move. He lay flat on his back, hogs swarming around him.

The hungry animals tore into their meal. Gollum screamed in terror and pain, still trying to get to his feet, but the hogs were overpowering him. There was no way their dinner was getting away. The villagers gathered round to see what was happening.

One of the runts of the herd had been bullied out of his spot. He hovered close to the pen's fence, a piece of Gollum's eye stick on the end of his snout. Some hogs even had bits of the victim stuck to their backs. Blood and organs were spread all across the pen. When the animals finished eating all that remained was a few scraps of flesh stuck to the bones. One eye remained in Gollum's head, it was wide in horror.

Yet nothing happened. He had been innocent.

Living
satansaloser2005
Feanor of the Peredhil
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Shastanis Althreduin
Thinlómien
Legate of Amon Lanc
Rikae
Aganzir
Gollum the Great
Nogrod
Beregond
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure
Meneltarmacil
Durelin
A Little Green
Brinniel

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)

Wraiths PM your kill, Ferny your suggestion, Butterbur your dream, Strider your protectee, and Frodo sit tight.

Night 2 has begun, villagers be quiet.

[Kitanna]

Shasta went home that night feeling distraught. The day hadn't exactly gone as planned. One innocent was dead and three wraiths were still at large. Shasta decided to consult his astrology texts and maps to calm his nerves. However, upon entering his house he realized something was off.

Grabbing a broom, Shasta went to investigate the whole house. “Hello? Has someone come in?” As a con artist Shasta expected to make a certain amount of enemies in life, but even he thought his home would be safe.

From an upstairs bedroom something stirred. Broom in hand, Shasta climbed the stairs. He kicked the bedroom door open and jumped in ready to assail the enemy. Nothing. The house was old, perhaps the floor was creaking on its own. “Yes, surely that's it.” He said aloud, answering his thought. But he knew that wasn't it at all. There was a presence in the room, one he knew he was to be afraid of.

Out of the shadows a figure moved. Shasta turned ready to fight. Another crawled from under the bed. A third appeared from the closet. They said nothing, but they shrieked. It was blood curdling and terrifying and Shasta didn't even have time to add his own screams.

~*~*~

The next morning the villages assembled, minus one. Upon learning that Shasta was gone a search party went to check out his house. They found Shasta in a bedroom on the second floor of his house. It looked as though he had been practicing sword eating.

An impressive broad sword had been forced down his throat, nailing him to a rocking chair that sat in the corner. Blood stained the floors and trails of dried blood ran down the corners of his mouth. Shasta had done nothing to offend anyone and yet he had still died. Bet the stars didn't see that one coming.

Living
satansaloser2005
Feanor of the Peredhil
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Thinlómien
Legate of Amon Lanc
Rikae
Aganzir
Nogrod
Beregond
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure
Meneltarmacil
Durelin
A Little Green
Brinniel

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)

[satansaloser2005]

I like how Gollum is both dead and alive. Decide that Mith's idea for phantom last game was too good to not use?

Kidding, kidding. Anyway, I have a vote tally. Give me a minute.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I like how Gollum is both dead and alive.

He is? What do you mean?

[Nerwen]

Now, why Shasta? Did he do anything but IC-posting?

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Now, why Shasta? Did he do anything but IC-posting?

My guess is that's exactly why he was killed. He left almost no trails, which makes for an easy wolf kill.

[A Little Green]

Hmmm - it took me almost two hours to read the rest of Day 1. It seems to have turned out an interesting Day after all, I just slept through all the fun. Just my luck. I have some comments to what was said yesterDay.

A couple of things disturb me about Nog. Not some overall feeling or anything, but some thigns he has said. He makes a big accusing-toned issue about votes being given on feeble grounds in this post. Yes, the votes at that time were feeble-grounded. What he failed to add, however, was the fact that most of those votes he criticises were given early, before anything dramatic actually happened. I don't like the way he just ignores the context of those votes - because taken out of context they do look exceedingly bad but if taken into consideration the material there was to build upon at that point it should not be surprising that votes are made on feeble grounds.

What is even more weird, however, is how he first criticises me for voting Gollum because it's too easy and then does the exact same thing himself. I don't like it.

List coming up. Is there anyone else around or am I talking to myself again? Nerwen, my love, are you there? (I checked the time and realised it's the traditional "me and Nerwen around" time of Day again!)

[Aganzir]

Nog I'm watching you!

It also occurred to me that Shasta's reference to Barliman being under the protection of Water could have been a seer hint, especially as he later claimed being an Aquarius and infused with watery influence. However, he didn't leave behind anything that could be considered a hint to a person he had dreamed of - he barely even mentioned other players, apart from saying Gollum was an ordo who would be on the wrong track for the most of the game, and voting Lommy for voting me.
He didn't look very Frodo-ish either.

Originally Posted by Mira

Didn't she say she had class or something earlier and wouldn't be able to be in the village?

Yeah I guess she did.

Originally Posted by Leggie

you seemed to suggest, or at least not dismiss completely the idea that the RB should stay put. (And, speaking of that, only very later you reevaluated. Perhaps under the general pressure, but before that, you wanted to try anyway?)

Try what? How did I seem to suggest xe should stay put & and then change my mind? I don't think I ever reached any conclusion when talking about the RB. Hmm oh yes I actually did. But I simply don't get what you're aiming at.

Originally Posted by Nog

Interestingly enough Mira has come to argue for her I think twice already...

I think Mira has also been arguing for Fea so I might just put it down on being a newbie & living in the same apartment with them. I'd still like to hear more about her opinions on other players.

Originally Posted by Nog

There were other terrible reasons but saying you make it random is the worst way of trying to ensure you don't have to stand for your vote later.

You're making day 1 random votes a too big issue. If I had voted, say, Gollum or sally, saying I want to lynch a quiet/insubstantial/whatever person in lack of anything better, it would have been okay for you, then? You are fine with killing quiet people because they don't help the village but those lynches are quite as random. Why are you fine with Fea's plans to vote randomly because she finds day ones to be of little worth?

I was really tired after a week of little sleep and seriously considered abstaining from voting but decided against it, just because I'm against it in principle. And to be honest I couldn't care less who was lynched as I didn't have any serious suspects myself.

As for Gollum, I think his posts are always rather bantering, and as there's therefore nothing extraordinary, I don't find it a valid reason to suspect him. It's a valid reason to vote (randomly) for him on day 1, but all the suspicion against him looks rather exaggerated.

I'm quite uncomfortable with the way Nog sticks to random votes being a suspicious thing. Yeah they are maybe not helpful but still.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Lommy didn't say that (at least, not anywhere I can see).

No I simply meant she pointed out the quote. I agreed with ”Something in this phrasing troubles me a little,” and the rest of it was my own thoughts. I didn't intend it to look like I was stealing her words, or putting words into her mouth.

Originally Posted by Lari

Ferny is not a threat at all. Ferny doesn't know the roles of who xe passes on. For all intents and purposes Ferny is just an annoying player.

You're underestimating xem. Xe is a threat once the wraiths and xe know one another's identity. After that xe's practically a seemingly innocent player (as the seer can't find out xyr exact role) who helps them.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

While there are reasons to find Aganzir suspicious, starting with her random vote

What reasons?
What's suspicious about random voting?

Rune, I would like to apologise for signing up although I can't be around till deadline.
The quarrel between Rune and Brinn is ridiculous and, despite overreacting, it's not Brinn's fault.

Originally Posted by sally

It's as if she's intentionally trying to take focus off lynching the wraiths.

Erm I started talking about the RB when only a few people had made proper posts. I could accuse you the same way of trying to take focus off lynching the wraiths by bantering at the beginning of the day instead of trying to get things actually rolling.

I don't like the way Gollum was lynched although I admit I see him go rather than the others who had several votes.

[Nerwen]

#9.
IC banter about his ability to read "anything in the stars you desire".

#10.
ditto– asks everyone to state their birth signs.

#13. IC banter with Sally.

#15.(referring to Gollum)

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Clearly here we have a prime example of a closed-minded, unthinking individual who refuses to believe in anything he can't hear, touch, see, smell, or taste. The stars say he's an ordo, but will be on the wrong track most of the game and be lynched Day 5 for his sheer inability to admit he's wrong.

#18. (referring to Durelin)

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Shades can hide
Shadows conceal
Fires haze
Waters dilute
Airs diffuse
Earths shield
and powers collide.

In other words, people who wear mysterious cloaks typically have something to hide. Get her!

#15. Banter with Gollum.

#142.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

In response:

Yes, Rikae, I am an Aquarius. The angle of Uranus to Jupiter and the Moon tells us, though, that I'm infused with watery influence, making me an exception to the previous statement.

++Lommy

Yes, I know you're famed for flip-flopping, Lommy dear, but that business of "No, I don't think Aganzir is a wraith, but I'm going to vote her anyway!" is just too much.

So– Shasta talks a lot about his ability to "read the stars". He states that Gollum is innocent (true), that Durelin "has something to hide" and votes Lommy.

Now, is it at all possible our villains thought he was the Seer? It doesn't make sense for a seer to be that definite about three separate people on Day One– but wolves have been known to panic.

Thoughts?

EDIT: X'd with Lily and Aganzir.

[Mirandir]

Nerwen - No reason to be suspicious as of yet.

Brinniel - I don't know, something about her posting style rubs me the wrong way. For the time being, though, I can't quite figure out what and will most likely refrain from voting her until I have something more substantial to go on.

Greenie - Trying to figure this kid out. Keeping an eye out for the time being.

Agan - Hasn't really said anything to make me suspicious as of yet.

Lommy

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Oh, holy cow, I just realised something. Rikae is either the seer or then she's a really twisted person with an ingenious plot, but I'm not sure if I should explain that plot of hers aloud, because I might do something horrible if I draw her plans out in the open...

Such as...? Could be innocent or could be alluding to a more devious role.

Rune

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

oh just a quick note about Frodo: Obviously people can play how they wish, but I always got the impression that Frodo was on our side. This should mean that he does not speculate in shifting sides and such, so Frodo should always act in a way that benifits his current team.

What does "our side" mean? Is this giving away that he is innocent? Or is it a ploy to make people think he is innocent when he's really a wraith? Someone to keep an eye on, for sure.

Rikae - Very suspicious of her "I am the seer" post. Most likely it was a joke (as she claimed), but still warrants suspicion. Then there was the "Of course I'm Frodo" (313) casual comment, which, as with everything else in this game, could be interpreted as truth or trickery and no one really knows for sure which one.

Mac

Originally Posted by Macalaure on Rikae being tired of Mac being a baddie

Alright, first, I'm not a baddie. Second, you can't know whether or not I'm a baddie. So, third, why do you say such a thing?

Or maybe you are a baddie and are trying to throw us off the track. Old habits do die hard. Other than that, don't have much to be suspicious about.

Lari - Oh wine tasting. Silly RL getting in the way of WW. No reason to suspect her at the moment.

Nog

Originally Posted by Nogrod

This idea, shared by Aganzir at least, is just... well, annoying. But it might be a plot made by the wolves and therefore maybe it's good it has been brought forwards. It might serve a purpose after all.

But to be honest it's a ridiculous claim. To those who don't know it, this idea comes from the following history. During the fall I was a wolf in a couple of games and more or less forced my mates in crime to kill silent, non-active, only IC players or "less dangerous" / less "independent-minded" players - whatever you read into those - during the Night (and I have acted on similarish principles as wolf also earlier). But after those few games quite recently it became kind of "talk of he town" - and we indeed lost the last one of those games because of the boldness of our kill-choices - or shared knowledge that if some of the less "threatening"-looking players are killed by Night early in the game then Nogrod is a wolf behind that decision. Now knowing how desperately certain people cling to the first possible reason to find something to suspect or to back their votes with, it would be plain suicidal for me to continue in that manner now that the meme "Noggie always does that" is around.

So rest assured, were I a wolf in this game it would have been fex. Rikae or Legate you would have found dead this morning (assuming neither was a wolf as well of course).

I understand feeling the need to justify what people think from other games, but it could also be taken as a sign of guilt. What better way to throw people off your scent than to make a point of saying what would happen if you were a wolf? Should keep an eye on.

Fea - Tricksy as usual...Sigh. I had a hard enough time reading her last game when I knew what her role is, let alone now that I don't. Probably will keep her around for a little while longer to see how much more confused she can make people, at the very least.

Beregond - I honestly have no idea what to think about this guy. Half the time he seems newbie-ish and half the time he seems to have solid backing and know what he's talking about. Keeping an eye on he-of-many-names.

Menel - Hasn't given me any reason to want him dead as of yet.

Durelin - Hasn't contributed much toDay.

Legate - Hasn't been around toDay.

Sally - Also hasn't been around toDay due to RL.


And what about Strider? Nothing has been mentioned about who xe could be, other than some talk on page 8 about Durelin:

Originally Posted by Rikae

6) It was an IC post. And, lo and behold, Durelin's character is:
"Durelin - Big person dark, mysterious, hooded and cloaked figure".

but character descriptions were made before roles were given out, so this very well could mean absolutely nothing (unless I missed something, which is entirely possible).

[Mirandir]

Hopefully that satiates multiple peoples' desires for more analysis of people on my part. It certainly took forever.

[Durelin]

Durelin spent 47 hours brooding in her dark corner, pondering her now dual purpose. There was double the pondering to be done, and time was growing short.

[Rikae]

There are a lot of things that aren't making sense in this game, and I'm not talking about Durelin.

(By the way, Mira, yes, the occupations were chosen before the roles were given that was my point. She was posting in-character and it means nothing. Heck, I think I've seen her play that same role in another game)

Fea, what does trying to trick newbies accomplish? Unless you're trying to trick someone else, in which case...

well, it's odd that Nog backed off like that.

I'm probably crossing with a whole army, I was interrupted while writing.

[Beregond]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Nogrod is a strange choice. He didn't make any indications hinting towards seerism that I can find, and after the Durelin fiasco he could've easily been made a lynch target. The best conclusion I can come up with is perhaps the wraiths thought he might be Frodo and didn't want to risk losing their Ringbearer through a lynching.

The Durelin lynching came out of nowhere and needs to be closely looked at. I feel convinced Fea is evil in some form, whether it be a wraith or informer. Her behaviour simply does not look like that of an innocent. There's chance another baddie was involved with the Durelin lynch which is why I want to look at her voters later. One thing I wonder is why were people so concerned over the possibility of a last-minute Fea lynch, yet they thought it was such a better idea to go after Dury in the final moments? Also, what was so suspicious about her IC-posts?

Of course we can't ignore the early voters (or the non-voters) either, as I'm sure there's at least one wraith among them. Really what I need to do is take a closer look at everyone, as I'm sure someone is slipping under my radar. But that'll have to wait until tomorrow as it is extremely late and I must sleep.

This must be one of those clues Brinn indicates she left.

[Rikae]

Sally - actually, I didn't retract my vote for Lommy the moment I made it. That would have been weird, though.

Well, I just want to say, now that it's day 2, as far as I'm concerned no one gets a free pass - not the newbies, not Mac, nobody.

(I'm glad of the chance to hear more from you, though.)

I didn't have a good feeling about Nerwen yesterDay, and it only got worse. I think I'll go and take a closer look at her posts toDay. Also, Shasta's death makes Nogrod worth a second look, I'd say.

EDIT: Somehow "crossed with" - or rather, failed to see - the whole page. Eek.

[Macalaure]

In one way Shasta's death is good, because, while it left no trails, its intent is obvious. We don't have to sort out a handful of trails and decide on each whether it means something or not, which usually leads to ten valid, but mutually exclusive conclusions.

I dont believe that the wraiths thought he might be the seer. Gollum, no offense, is not a likely Night1 dream and Lommy and her pack would have to be over-paranoid to think she's been dreamed of. Shasta's astrology-talk must have been obviously enough IC and no hint, I think.

I see these options:

1. The wraiths were under unexpectedly much Day1-pressure and chose a safe kill. this is unlikely, though, since there are better ways to divert attention.
2. The wraiths were under absolutely no pressure and the village was entirely wrong about each candidate. The trail-less kill was chosen to prolong this state.
3. The wraiths are timid by nature and didn't dare to assault anybody who even might leave a track towards them. (In this case, they might even have thought that Shasta was the seer.)
4. The wraiths are sportsmen who thought it was a good idea to keep those alive that talked more and kill those who talked less.

-While Option 1 is possible, I'd like to discard it for now - mostly because that goes along with my suspicions from yesterday (it would more or less mean that both Lommy and Brinn are wraiths).
-Option 2 only means that Lommy and Brinn (and me, of course) are innocent. The wraiths could be anybody else.
-Option 3 leads us, I think, to Lari, Mirandir, and Beregond, for (relative) newbieness, and to Lommy, Brinn, and maybe Lily, for being of a more timid nature. It exonerates villagers who are both daring and dominant, such as Legate, Rikae, Nogrod, and Nerwen.
-Option 4 points to Legate and Nogrod (not saying that everybody else is not sportsmanlike, but those two are most likely to make a point of it).

So much for valid conclusions that are mutually exclusive. That was before came to think about what it actually means.


I will next look whether I can learn anything from the voting and Gollum's death. Maybe I'll have more luck there.

Originally Posted by Rune

I really don't get why people always vote after the same pattern on every day 1, it is getting quite predictable. I can understand why Brinn and Mac votes for Gollum, nobody can be blamed for saving ones own skin. . .but that quite experienced players do it, that pussles me.

What exact pattern do you mean?

Originally Posted by Rune

Mac basicly did not wan't to vote for anybody, but especially not Lommy. . .for apparently no reason.

Lommy was in greater danger of gathering votes than Brinn was, that's why I mentioned her more.

Originally Posted by Rune

He advocates this, but nothing happens until Nerwen shows up and vote for Gollum.

Well, I was in danger of being lynched! Why should I have voted earlier and risked voting the wrong person?

[Lariren Shadow]

I do have to agree with Mirandir's comment on voting yesterday. It seemed really off the way some of them were acting. Mac I can understand, he did it before to save himself. Some of the other votes, well that get's to me.

Nog's assumption that Day 1 votes point to guilt seems weird to me. From what I understand they are a shot in the dark. No evidence, nothing. It just sort of goes from one suspicion to the next until someone gets more votes.

Be back to do a better anaylsis later toDay.

[Nogrod]

So here we go again... I fail in my trial of posting only the minimum and here's thev result... Maybe I should just actually shut my mouth?

But before I do it, I'll say something about those ill-adviced points made by Greenie and Aganzir. Yes I am against self-proclaimed "random-voting". I have been and I will be against it even if you lynch me on Day1 or 2 in every game because of that. And I also think I can claim the moral highgroud there.

Who you vote and why is probably the single most important thing others can look afterwards and base their suspicions on. Yes, there are other things and many times they can prove to be more succesful but still your voting record combined with your reasoning for your votes is a steady and constant source of information. Most importantly the wolves need to fake their real reasons behind their votes while innocents can be honest. And that makes a difference.

Now callling it out aloud that your vote is totally random basically annihilates the thing we should need to see eg. why do you claim to vote like you do. To me it's not a question of a playing-style - which of course everyone is entitled to pick and choose as they wish - but of kind of playing against the spirit of the game or should I say not playing but trying to parasitically sneak outside the discussion which after all is the base of this game in the first place.

So I will continue to suspect and press on those who claim their votes are random. Only when one knows - or there is a high probability - that calling one's vote a random one leads to immediate lynching will that behaviour cease and people start to actually play.

I know I'm a little like Don Quixote here fighting the windmills... I know. But I'll stand tall and die for it if I have to.

What a rant... pffft...

Originally Posted by Rikae

Also, Shasta's death makes Nogrod worth a second look, I'd say.

This idea, shared by Aganzir at least, is just... well, annoying. But it might be a plot made by the wolves and therefore maybe it's good it has been brought forwards. It might serve a purpose after all.

But to be honest it's a ridiculous claim. To those who don't know it, this idea comes from the following history. During the fall I was a wolf in a couple of games and more or less forced my mates in crime to kill silent, non-active, only IC players or "less dangerous" / less "independent-minded" players - whatever you read into those - during the Night (and I have acted on similarish principles as wolf also earlier). But after those few games quite recently it became kind of "talk of he town" - and we indeed lost the last one of those games because of the boldness of our kill-choices - or shared knowledge that if some of the less "threatening"-looking players are killed by Night early in the game then Nogrod is a wolf behind that decision. Now knowing how desperately certain people cling to the first possible reason to find something to suspect or to back their votes with, it would be plain suicidal for me to continue in that manner now that the meme "Noggie always does that" is around.

So rest assured, were I a wolf in this game it would have been fex. Rikae or Legate you would have found dead this morning (assuming neither was a wolf as well of course).


Okay.

I have a mountain of dishes to wash and dinner to prepare before Lommy and Greenie come back. I'll try to post something more constructive or more helpful in relation to the actual wraith-hunt later.

As now I'm having all my alarms ringing for Aganzir because of the way she kind of adds to a fire lit by Greenie, whom I could see as partly justifiedly being annoyed about me pointing out her vote and the grounds for it that early in the game. So point taken Greenie: your vote was early and "nothing" had happened when you voted, but I wouldn't say the same from many other votes I pointed to in that post.

Also I'd say that be on the watch for all the smooth players, those you feel like they're nice and helpful. Those are most likely to be those owning the hands that kill you at Night.


EDIT: X'd with Mac and Lari

[Rikae]

But Nog, so-called "random" votes can be analyzed, too. I don't for a minute assume they're necessarily as random as they say, and failing to give a reason can be innocent enough in some circumstances and incriminating in others, just as pretty much any reasoning given can.

I hope we're not about to see a Agan vs. Nog feud ending in the loss of two innocents. Nog would be rather easy to make a case against. The "I wouldn't do that as a wolf, really, I swear, I mean it" is reaslly no defense at all, but I don't find it incriminating, either. He is a bit paranoid, though.
Certainly the Shasta kill could be an attempt to frame Nog, at least in part, but I'm not so sure the "quiet player dead=Nogwolf" equation is so widely accepted. Maybe that's just because I missed the games where it became so, though.
Agan looks more innocent than not toDay. Her reactions seem pretty reasonable to me.

On another note, perhaps we should just lynch Sally. Every time I read one of her posts, I get stuck in this loop of "She looks so evil! But she's just being Sally! But she looks SOOO evil! But she always looks evil!" - very distracting, at least.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I know I should post, but I don't have anything to say just yet. I don't think I'll be around much today, for RL reasons, but I'd appreciate if you didn't lynch me while I'm gone.

I mean, I'll be around and reading, and getting gut reactions, but I don't really have the time/state of mind necessary to try and view posts objectively.

Therefore: I'll read along, but won't have much to contribute except for this:

I'm never comfortable with lists of possibilities for the personality types of wolves. Because there are always more options. Like yeah, the wolves could all be timid, or they could all be playing timid. Or you might have three really dominant wolves who decide that their only strategy is to be the final survivor, so it's everybody for themselves. Or like, last game the way it ran was that I was ringleader for the first few days, and when I was lynched, everybody knew that the first two Night deaths were on me, so they didn't have any evidence to go on to catch the other wolves, because having one really strong personality can cloud others. There are always other options, and the option that whoever is playing is trying something new.

I mean, your options are good, Mac, but there's no such thing as a totally complete list of 'possibilities' because there are always more options. Unless you're listing possibilities that you, yourself, ran through.

*turns attention back to the library and grad school stuff*

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

What exact pattern do you mean?

The pattern I mentioned when Greenie voted Gollum. . . you can go back and rea, if it still obscure then I will be happy to write more on the matter.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Lommy was in greater danger of gathering votes than Brinn was, that's why I mentioned her more.

Was it. . . to me it seems that you underline how little you want to vote Lommy, it simply seems that she must not die.
Obviously neither of us have english as a first language and that may play a part in this.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Well, I was in danger of being lynched! Why should I have voted earlier and risked voting the wrong person?

You shouldn't, I was just saying how things happened.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So here we go again... I fail in my trial of posting only the minimum and here's thev result... Maybe I should just actually shut my mouth?
i

Yes, please. . .
Actually I am suprised that you made your tactics public, there is always people who can object to such things. Such an action is bound to attract atention and in turn force you to reply.

EDIT: Coss Posted With Beregond

[Lariren Shadow]

In no particular order, just happens to be how they are listed for living:

Sally: Nothing has caught my attention yet. Seems genuinely innocent.

Fea: Honestly, I have no idea what to think of her and Rikae's bantering. Even when I was on her side I still couldn't pin her. Something tells me she's worth looking at, but then again I also know her kamakazi style.


Mirandir: Newbie still, gets that for protection. Will keep on eye on her though. And yes, wine tasting did get in the way.

Lommy: Seems innocent enough. Nothing that I can see that screams "look at me I'm a wolf!"

Legate: I can't really get a good read on him. I can't even remember if he posted today(and am running out of time to look).

Rikae: I didn't like her bantering about being the seer/Frodo. She's a good player, from what I can tell now, but that doesn't sit well with me. Either she's playing ordo Fea style or she's a wolf. And I'm right now leaning more towards the wolf part of that.

Agan: Am entirly not sure what to think. She's playing it rather interestingly. I'm leaning towards more of a guilty party with her, but I don't really have any evidence other than I think there is something there.

Nogrod: Is interesting to finally play with past Day 1. I'm not sure what to think of all his posts, but am leaning towards a more innocent feel. His lists of people are interesting as well.

Beregond: Is new like Mirandir so gets the same newbie protection. However, has not fully slipped my radar.

Nerwen: I didn't like the voting yesterday. Not at all. Something about it didn't look right.

Rune: I have absolutly no idea.

Mac: Well, I do still think that you are not entirly innocent because of your trying to save yourself.

Menel: No idea.

Durelin: Besides not really liking the first post(though it was good) other than the feeling that the character that's like a ranger would not be a ranger but made a wolf(if I were picking) don't have anything on her.

A Little Green: Nothing really on her either.

Brinniel: Seems innocent enough. Nothing really jumping out at me on her.

Ok, there it is. I'm still not sure who to vote for and I have about 30 minutes to decide.

[Kitanna]

Nogrod went home after the unfortunate events. Another day had gone by and they weren't any closer. It was a most disappointing day. But the hobbit was glad to be home. He'd get out his best of Old Toby, have a nice smoke, and head off to bed. Unfortunately others had different plans for Nogrod.

Sometime between Durelin's death and his walk home someone had ransacked his house. Tables and chairs overturned and his best of Old Toby was gone. That was the worst of it all. Well that and the fact he was about to die rather painfully.

~*~*~

As day dawned the villagers went to Nogrod's to collect the tardy hobbit. “It's not like him to be so late.” Rune commented.

“Well, I for one don't like having to go and get him. There's more important things to do than drag that old lazy bones out.” Sally grumbled. The two grumblers would feel awful when they did get to Nogrod's.

They found him in a most disagreeable position. It was hard to say exactly what had killed him. Maybe it was the blood loss from the sword wounds. Or perhaps the fact he had been disemboweled, which was a direct effect of the sword wounds. Or maybe, just maybe it was the fact he had been strangled by his own intestines.

The wraiths had mimicked Durelin's trip to the gallows fairly well. Only they chose to substitute a broken neck with missing organs, and the hangman's noose with the smaller intestine. Any one of those could have easily led to his death. Some admired the work. For how the messy the whole was, not a drop of blood or guts had ended up on the furniture.

Admiration or no, the wraiths had robbed the village of another innocent villager.

Living
satansaloser2005
Feanor of the Peredhil
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Thinlómien
Legate of Amon Lanc
Rikae
Aganzir
Beregond
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure
Meneltarmacil
A Little Green
Brinniel

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)
Durelin – Hanged on Day 2 (innocent)
Nogrod – Disemboweled and hanged by own intestines Night 3 (innocent)

[Rikae]

Well, well, well.

YesterDay at deadline, I thought only one of two things could be happening: either I'd found myself (again) in a village consisting mostly of cobblers, or a lot of people were once again IM'ing while werewolfing, doubtless with alcohol involved. On second thought, though, I suppose it's just a matter of one wine-drinking, sleep deprived Noggins, one Mac who didn't wish to die, one cobbler ready to get herself lynched, and a couple of newbies without enough experience to recognize the insanity of it all (except Berry).

Odd they killed old Nog when they probably could have had him lynched. Oh well, at least we know who the cobbler is now. Normally I would suggest trying to lynch a wraith instead at this point, but she obviously has the ability to wreak havoc, especially with so many (no offense) newbies in the village.

Erm... I'm sure Ms. Fearny has an excuse and a great explanation ready for why she is trustworthy. I have an idea of what that might be. I don't buy it.

*goes to bed*

[Beregond]

Well, yesterDay's ending was fast and furious. I'm sorry, Kitanna, for the late vote. Didn't realize the cutoff was so definite.

But, wow, what happened? Talk about a mob... in addition to poor Nog: Mac, Mirandir, Rune, Lari, and Fea, in reverse order, voted for the sad lynching. Some may have had a good reason, some must have been on the bandwagon, as they say, and all of them are downright suspicious now, though clearly not all guilty.

I'm not saying I thought Dury was innocent for sure, but I didn't think there was much against her, either. Some IC comments. Alas, since Nog was the perpetrator of the Durelin-suspicion, my opinion has changed rather since his death - I don't know what to think. But Nog was the last to vote for Dury, not the first.

The innocents are dwindling. At least our odds of finding a wraith are improving. Must be hopeful heading into Day Three!

Unfortunately for me, on a Monday, I really cannot let myself spend so much time on WW as I have the previous Days. I hope to have a good part of the evening, but not so much of the day. And right now, in the very early morning, with sleep clouding brain, I'm going right away. I'm too tired to think and didn't expect the morning revelation before I went to bed at all.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Erm... I'm sure Ms. Fearny has an excuse and a great explanation ready for why she is trustworthy. I have an idea of what that might be. I don't buy it.

1) I certainly wasn't going to let myself get lynched in a last minute bandwagon-

2) I really didn't want Mac lynched in a last minute bandwagon (though I had no evidence to back that desire up)-

3) It was fifteen minutes before deadline on Day 2 and Dury was still posting in character with no usefull information even hidden in those short posts-

4) After I decided she was a good person to vote for (for being all but invisible, for not making OOC contributions, for doing what looked like trying to lead the village by playing on her [chosen] role, but without supporting anything) she called me boring, and at 1am, it seemed like a great idea to joke about that after succeeding in putting her neck in the noose instead of mine.

I only regret that she wasn't actually evil.

My bad.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Also, what was so suspicious about her IC-posts?

She hadn't made any valuable other ones. When you're not sure who to vote for, who do you look at? The people who are obviously trying to confuse the village.

*apologizes to self for making a statement that appears to apply to me*

Mostly I'm just shocked that

1) anybody voted Dury with me (I was resigned to Mac's death), and
2) that Rune really wanted me to stay alive. Unless he's the seer, which I really hadn't previously suspected. I'm not even sure I suspect it now, for all that he made such a pleasant defense of me.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Any chances you're secretly Pisces by the horoscope, ladies?

No, ma'am. Definitely Leo.

Originally Posted by Interwebs

Leos that receive insufficient attention can grow depressed and sullen. Leos also sulk in response to minor slights, particularly blows to their pride, but they tend to recover quickly. Quick to anger and quick to forgive, most Leos wear their hearts on their sleeves. While they might exaggerate, they are not inclined to lie.

They love to be the center of attention.

They have the guts to put themselves forward and don’t mind the whole world looking at them. In fact, they prefer it. They crave a little danger, which makes them natural risk-takers, sometimes excessively so.

Leos are usually quite soft-hearted and have a particular fondness for children and animals.

*loves kittens*

Originally Posted by Lommy

Maybe just because she's a newbie.

Day 1's over. No more newbie grace period. She's smart. I don't trust her. Nobody else should.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Fea puzzles me. Her post complaining about the fake gifteds looks very innocent, but many other posts of hers look rather sinister.

*likes attention*
*isn't good at being ordo*

Originally Posted by Rikae

Then again, a wraith Fea could consider herself seer-dreamt anyway and therefore behave suicidally.

Very perceptive, since I do always consider myself seer-dreamt, wolf or ordo. It seems like a fair assumption. Just- I'm ordo this time around.

Originally Posted by Legate

This is so obvious jumping on a bandwagon that one can hardly think otherwise of Fea than "Ferny!".

Or clueless ordo with no better ideas. Honestly? I was going to vote Nog last night for the reason that his name sort of sounds like Giotto.

The people I find suspicious are people I always find suspicious. I don't know any more how to separate my respect for what people have done as bad guys from my belief that they are currently bad guys. The people I don't find suspicious, I simply don't find suspicious.

When you've got no inside knowledge of roles (like Frodo, the Wraiths), you kind of have to wing it. And when you're half convinced that your ability to figure out your own suspicions is shot? Go with somebody who's dangerous no matter what their role is.

*apologizes to self for what seems like another incriminating statement*

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I still can't tell whether Lari and Mira are acting more like manipulated newbies or like newbie wolves.

I lean more toward manipulated newbies, for all that I didn't really intend for them to get manipulated. I'm still a bit in shock that a bandwagon happened when I thought I was pretty clearly joking about the "I'm lynching you because you called me boring" thing. I voted Durelin because of the perversity of her continuing to post IC even after the village requested posts where she actually told us what she thought (apart from "Silly village.").

Originally Posted by Lari

Last game she was lynched the same Day and was a wolf. But she was also more open about her wolfyness.

At risk of incriminating my innocent self even more- Lari, this isn't the best logic: my wolf style changes depending on who my cohorts are. If, for instance, I'm a baddy and I've got a newbie on my team, I'll take the lead and set xer up for a clean sweep once I die (because I nearly always die). If I'm a baddy and I've got a player like the phantom on my team, I'll step back and watch the world burn from the comfort of my desk chair.

So while I'm glad not everybody is automatically assuming I'm evil, be careful about the logic you (universal you) use to get to your conclusions.

Originally Posted by Mac

I thought that maybe Rune was the seer and dreamt of Fea, but no way would a seer risk himself when his innocent dream is not challenged seriously, which Fea wasn't.

Yes. That's what I'm thinking. So here's my thoughts on Rune: he's an ordo that just really likes having me around.

I can't blame him... I like having me around too.

Going back to bed for a while...

I love Mondays.