T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Brinn didn't find Rikae's seer comment serious, but found everyone's reactions to it odd. What exactly do you mean by that, Brinn? How were they odd?

At the time, I couldn't see how people were suddenly taking the comment so seriously and I found it odd. I thought it was obvious she was joking.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

She said she couldn't see what benefit could come from Fea pretending Rikae was serious. I can. If Fea had a reason to assume Rikae was joking, it would have been sensible to help set her up as a wolf kill. Of course there was a risk of the real seer revealing, though, which I think is why it wasn't pursued further.

I think you did a better job explaining this than Fea ever did. Yes, you're right, Fea could've had good intentions with her pretended reaction. But it's also possible her intentions were evil. She could've done it to cause distraction or possibly attempt to draw out the real seer. Really, Fea could be anything. One thing I've noticed about her is she likes to mess with everyone's heads, regardless of her role.

Originally Posted by Greenie

What I find interesting is that all of a sudden, even though I have hardly posted at all in the last, say, 12 hours, during the last five hours I seem to have been considered sneaky and suspicious by at least Brinn, Rikae and Lommy. Lovely. I'd love to know why is that or do they just get the same gut-feeling out of nowhere?

My suspicion towards you isn't just a gut-feeling. It was post #247 that raised alarms for me. All of your opinions towards the players are extremely safe, like you're trying to stay on neutral ground not committing one way or another. And yes, you are quite sneaky; in the past you've fallen under my radar quite often. But toDay I find your posts troublesome, even if they are few in numbers.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Okay I am tired but right now I feel almost like voting for her because I'm getting annoyed with her saying "oh she's like this or she's like that" with no reason whatsoever unless specifically requested.

This may be a stupid question, but were you talking about Lommy or Greenie here? I want to say the latter, but I'm not actually sure..

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Mac

A Little Green is creepy, as in very serious and determined, and deserves another look.

Originally Posted by Brinn

My suspicion towards you isn't just a gut-feeling. It was post #247 that raised alarms for me. All of your opinions towards the players are extremely safe, like you're trying to stay on neutral ground not committing one way or another. And yes, you are quite sneaky; in the past you've fallen under my radar quite often. But toDay I find your posts troublesome, even if they are few in numbers.

I get what you mean - but although I know this is no good as a defence I must say my opinions on players are pretty much always like that, if safe means opinions like "could be either way" or "no idea" or "I'm not sure..."

Well, I'm going to vote in a very very little (green) while. I think it's gonna be Nog for me (no, don't hang yourself, it's not because you contribute). In addition to his weird Golly-vote, that Dury thing just doesn't make any sense. It looks something like a crafted case that has failed (deliberately or not) to take into account a very significant factor which is, as Rikae already pointed out, the fact that Dury's role was mysterious cloaked figure or something like that. Dunno, somehow Noggins' behaviour makes me think he's a wolf who's trying just a bit too hard.

Vote in a minute...

[A Little Green]

++ Nog

He's my best bet. Reasons in my earlier posts. Good night and Night.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Mac, do you realize you just called everybody but Sally, Lari and Lily innocentish?

No, not at all. Maybe it's more clear this way:

In need of further examination and/or somewhat suspicious right now:
Sally, Lari, Aganzir, Nogrod, Beregond, Menel, Durelin, Lily

Innocent(-ish):
Fea, Mirandir, Lommy, Legate, Rikae, Nerwen, Rune, Brinniel

Originally Posted by Rikae

Why do you have to keep doing such evil-looking things? *pouts*

It's sexy.


Alright, off getting a few second looks on people, hoping it will help.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Elaborate.

I won't. I think it was clear enough. You're starting to annoy me, in every single ww game we play together you're all the time keeping on at me like on no one else and whenever you play I can't play without having a personal Spanish Inquisition demanding me to elaborate on everything. Really, I'm starting to wonder if we should stop playing ww together as we always end up quarreling and I can't say I find it enjoyable.

Nogrod's thing on Durelin just goes plain weird, I must say I haven't understood it at any point and now it goes too far. However, it goes so far that I don't think it's even wolvish. I think he's simply a silly ordo who has drunk too much wine tonight.

Originally Posted by Brinn

This may be a stupid question, but were you talking about Lommy or Greenie here? I want to say the latter, but I'm not actually sure..

Oh, obviously about me.

I should vote very soon but I can't decide if I should vote Brinn, Agan or Greenie. I wish I had stronger suspicions... Really. If I vote Agan, I feel silly because it might be more of annoyance than of suspicion. If I vote Greenie, I feel silly because I think my suspicion of her has mostly come of others calling her suspicious. If I vote Brinn, I feel silly because her posts have had a rather innocent tone lately.


edit: xed with Mac

[Nerwen]

Just a quick note to say that I have been out most of the day and have to leave again almost immediately; I'm probably going to abstain from voting as I haven't had time to read the thread.

[Meneltarmacil]

I've been checking out Aganzir lately so as to focus on people other than Mac. She mostly appears to be innocent, but without a lot of ideas as to what to do, and frequently mentions Nogrod, who strikes her as an enigma.

I'd like to say that, contrary to things I mentioned earlier, a lack of suggestions really should not define one as a wraith, given that I certainly haven't a clue as to what to look for.

Also, Rikae and Mac have both said disturbing things that serve to confuse the village a great deal. Why would these two want to distract us such? Is one of them a wraith?

I really should vote, so

++Mac

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Also, Rikae and Mac have both said disturbing things that serve to confuse the village a great deal. Why would these two want to distract us such? Is one of them a wraith?

I really should vote, so

++Mac

What gives you the impression that I wanted to distract?

[Rikae]

By the way, I thought Menel was being utterly nonsensical because he was the seer, and didn't want to give that as his reason for lynching Mac and get himself killed so early.

But now it's pretty clear that isn't the case... and he's jumping on an easy suspect with reasons that make no sense at all. (If you didn't catch it, he cites Mac's "ongoing suspicion" of Gollum). I don't know what else Menel is, but he seems like a loose cannon.

[Macalaure]

Sally did a vote count today and has yet to share some of her own thoughts. Yesterday she kidded around until others set the field, from which she chose me (and Brinn). For anybody else, this would be suspicious, but for Sally, it's different. She needs to be watched, though. Like Rikae, I'd like to hear what she meant with wraiths taking advantage of me trying to save myself.


What still nags me about Beregond is his bandwaggony vote yesterDay. Other than that, he's not very suspicious. He points out his newbieness a bit too much, though - something packmates could have told him to do.


Lari has been constrained by time yesterDay, but I wonder whether she couldn't have used the time she had more productively. She only makes a list before her vote and the opinions given in there leave to be desired. She admitted to that later, but that doesn't make it better.

Originally Posted by Lari

Lommy: For reasons stated before.

What were those?

She later likes to vote Lommy but goes for Durelin to avoid a double lynch. Note that she, even though time was available, did not retract after she knew there were none. ToDay she complains about the voting yesterDay.

She's suspicious, but I wouldn't vote for her until she posted more.

[Beregond]

I've having a hard time with you, Mac! You're still high on my list of suspects, but when I ask myself why, I can't put my finger on it. I might read through to see. Either you're simply innocent, or very dogdy! It's cruel, but I almost want to vote for you just to find out. You may be right about the bandwagon vote yesterDay, but it was that or an essentially random vote. I'll vote again tonight with a more informed gut and hopefully a clear head and if it looks like bandwagoning, so be it!

I'm curious, Fea, if you have a reason you'd like to share for sparing Mac?

On an aside, I'm a bit bemused by the idea that it may be bad to restate other people's opinions and use them in one's own conclusions. Sure, it would be great to be the first person to notice a quote that looks suspicious, but most of the time other people see the same things you do, and often write about them quicker.

Alright, I might make a list now.

[Brinniel]

Keeping track of the votes:

Rikae: ++Greenie (Greenie 1)
Aganzir: ++Mac (Greenie 1, Mac 1)
Greenie: ++Nogrod (Greenie 1, Mac 1, Nogrod 1)
Menel: ++Mac (Greenie 1, Mac 2, Nogrod 1)
Lommy: ++Aganzir (Greenie 1, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Aganzir 1)

[Rikae]

Ok, about Lily:

- she spends most of her first post griping about the lack of conversation and "material" to base suspicions on. Yes, I understand the point, but why not say something to get things rolling, instead of excusing her lack of reasons for suspicion?

- askes if the ring bearer's role is revealed if xe is lynched. Not necessarily suspicious, this could be useful info for either side. (Was that question ever answered?)

- Some friendly chit-chat with Berry, then:

Originally Posted by A Little Green

To be honest I have no idea - never played with a guy like that before, whatever the role is called (cursed something?) - but it would sound ideal if no one discovered the identity of our ringbearer. After all, if we find and lynch him/her, we'll be down one innocent regardless of the fact that the particular innocent could have been converted to some nasssty creature. We should probably not use our energy on hunting the ringbearer but instead on hunting the wraiths.

Now, I normally try to avoid suspecting people based on differences of opinion, and I recognize that my own isn't the only possible innocentish opinion on Mr. Frodo... but this looks like a point-by-point list of exactly what the wraiths would want us to think. First, that if Frodo reveals, he should be lynched immediately (so they at least avoid the situation where we have a known innocent), but, better yet, that no one should have any clue who he is or try to find him at all. Maybe she just didn't think it through completely, but it struck me as very creepy.

- the title of one of her posts yesterDay (her vote for Gollum, in fact): "A Shot in the Dark ". Ok, not really reason to suspect her (would wights be that obvious?), but it caught my eye without really registering it then and added to the creepy impression.

-"Good night and Night."

- Overall cheery, breezy, friendly tone.

- Her points on Nog toDay. I don't necessarily trust him, but it looks like she's going after him for basically being himself (with the random votes thing).

- The "carrots" remark really did have a hint-ish look to me.

- Not part of my initial feeling of creepiness, but her reaction to suspicion doesn't look too innocent. It's too... sarcastic, insinuating, I don't know how to say it.

- Another new point: Nog was alraedy her main suspect (or so it looked) before I mentioned Dury's occupation, but she makes that one of her two reasons for voting him. She hadn't commented on it before, and it had been out there for a while.

So yeah, there it is. That and a hunch. Not much of a case, I guess, and I may retract to Mac,or somebody else, if I feel like it later, but there you go.

EDIT: X'd with Lommy.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Rikae

-"Good night and Night."

She always does that and I do that pretty often too, so that's a bad argument.

Originally Posted by Rikae

- Her points on Nog toDay. I don't necessarily trust him, but it looks like she's going after him for basically being himself (with the random votes thing).

She's always going after him. But that, of course, does not prove anything...

I suspect Greenie, but I think you Rikae mostly list stuff she always does. The only unheard of thing on that list is the carrot one, but I'm not sure if it's so bad...

Now I got an urge both to vote and not vote Greenie. Weird.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I suspect Greenie, but I think you Rikae mostly list stuff she always does. The only unheard of thing on that list is the carrot one, but I'm not sure if it's so bad...

If you say so, you know her better. The main thing that creeped me out was her Frodo-speech, though.

[Thinlómien]

++Aganzir

I still think her style is a curious mixture of her relaxed, bantery and nit-picky ordo-style and her careful, detached wolf-style - exactly what I'd expect from her after a long pause from being a wolf. (Obviously, she can't go back to her previous wolf-style because it'd make people raise eyebrows, but she might subconsciously partly latch back to it.) Also, she tends to get annoyed at me but she feels jumpier than normally.

And if you want me to, I can admit this vote is also partly because I currently feel we two just can't play ww together, at least not this way. And I wouldn't be sorry at all to see her go before she can look at my posts with a magnifying glass and unleash the Infernal Inquisition. I think I'm being quite horrible to her, and I'm sorry for that, but I'm simply writing what I feel right now.

If we're both alive toMorrow I hope we can be more civil to each other...


edit: xed with Sally and Menel

[Rikae]

Oops, I've gone and done it. I've had to correct myself in multiple posts because I kept wanting to call the wraiths "wights", and above I say:

Originally Posted by yours truly

(would wights be that obvious?)

Yeeeah, whatever.

Something else that occurred to me is that Noggins has to be up to something, since he hasn't been giving me the Spanish Inquisition treatment Lommy mentioned getting from Agan.

EDIT: X'd with Lommy again.