T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Erm... I'm sure Ms. Fearny has an excuse and a great explanation ready for why she is trustworthy. I have an idea of what that might be. I don't buy it.

1) I certainly wasn't going to let myself get lynched in a last minute bandwagon-

2) I really didn't want Mac lynched in a last minute bandwagon (though I had no evidence to back that desire up)-

3) It was fifteen minutes before deadline on Day 2 and Dury was still posting in character with no usefull information even hidden in those short posts-

4) After I decided she was a good person to vote for (for being all but invisible, for not making OOC contributions, for doing what looked like trying to lead the village by playing on her [chosen] role, but without supporting anything) she called me boring, and at 1am, it seemed like a great idea to joke about that after succeeding in putting her neck in the noose instead of mine.

I only regret that she wasn't actually evil.

My bad.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Also, what was so suspicious about her IC-posts?

She hadn't made any valuable other ones. When you're not sure who to vote for, who do you look at? The people who are obviously trying to confuse the village.

*apologizes to self for making a statement that appears to apply to me*

Mostly I'm just shocked that

1) anybody voted Dury with me (I was resigned to Mac's death), and
2) that Rune really wanted me to stay alive. Unless he's the seer, which I really hadn't previously suspected. I'm not even sure I suspect it now, for all that he made such a pleasant defense of me.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Any chances you're secretly Pisces by the horoscope, ladies?

No, ma'am. Definitely Leo.

Originally Posted by Interwebs

Leos that receive insufficient attention can grow depressed and sullen. Leos also sulk in response to minor slights, particularly blows to their pride, but they tend to recover quickly. Quick to anger and quick to forgive, most Leos wear their hearts on their sleeves. While they might exaggerate, they are not inclined to lie.

They love to be the center of attention.

They have the guts to put themselves forward and don’t mind the whole world looking at them. In fact, they prefer it. They crave a little danger, which makes them natural risk-takers, sometimes excessively so.

Leos are usually quite soft-hearted and have a particular fondness for children and animals.

*loves kittens*

Originally Posted by Lommy

Maybe just because she's a newbie.

Day 1's over. No more newbie grace period. She's smart. I don't trust her. Nobody else should.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Fea puzzles me. Her post complaining about the fake gifteds looks very innocent, but many other posts of hers look rather sinister.

*likes attention*
*isn't good at being ordo*

Originally Posted by Rikae

Then again, a wraith Fea could consider herself seer-dreamt anyway and therefore behave suicidally.

Very perceptive, since I do always consider myself seer-dreamt, wolf or ordo. It seems like a fair assumption. Just- I'm ordo this time around.

Originally Posted by Legate

This is so obvious jumping on a bandwagon that one can hardly think otherwise of Fea than "Ferny!".

Or clueless ordo with no better ideas. Honestly? I was going to vote Nog last night for the reason that his name sort of sounds like Giotto.

The people I find suspicious are people I always find suspicious. I don't know any more how to separate my respect for what people have done as bad guys from my belief that they are currently bad guys. The people I don't find suspicious, I simply don't find suspicious.

When you've got no inside knowledge of roles (like Frodo, the Wraiths), you kind of have to wing it. And when you're half convinced that your ability to figure out your own suspicions is shot? Go with somebody who's dangerous no matter what their role is.

*apologizes to self for what seems like another incriminating statement*

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I still can't tell whether Lari and Mira are acting more like manipulated newbies or like newbie wolves.

I lean more toward manipulated newbies, for all that I didn't really intend for them to get manipulated. I'm still a bit in shock that a bandwagon happened when I thought I was pretty clearly joking about the "I'm lynching you because you called me boring" thing. I voted Durelin because of the perversity of her continuing to post IC even after the village requested posts where she actually told us what she thought (apart from "Silly village.").

Originally Posted by Lari

Last game she was lynched the same Day and was a wolf. But she was also more open about her wolfyness.

At risk of incriminating my innocent self even more- Lari, this isn't the best logic: my wolf style changes depending on who my cohorts are. If, for instance, I'm a baddy and I've got a newbie on my team, I'll take the lead and set xer up for a clean sweep once I die (because I nearly always die). If I'm a baddy and I've got a player like the phantom on my team, I'll step back and watch the world burn from the comfort of my desk chair.

So while I'm glad not everybody is automatically assuming I'm evil, be careful about the logic you (universal you) use to get to your conclusions.

Originally Posted by Mac

I thought that maybe Rune was the seer and dreamt of Fea, but no way would a seer risk himself when his innocent dream is not challenged seriously, which Fea wasn't.

Yes. That's what I'm thinking. So here's my thoughts on Rune: he's an ordo that just really likes having me around.

I can't blame him... I like having me around too.

Going back to bed for a while...

I love Mondays.

[Macalaure]

Nogrod: why?

He would have gotten a fair share of criticism today, maybe even votes. He definitely would have hogged a lot of attention. Wraiths like that. Also, his case against Durelin was bad, so maybe he would have been listened to less toDay. Why him?

He could have believed to be Frodo, but I doubt it. The wraiths would have killed him yesterDay, then.

He could have believed to be the ranger, that is possible, but he would have been a terribly clumsy ranger.

Maybe he said something seerish, which I don't think he has. He's too smart to slip and his suspicions were terribly broad.

Maybe he was uncomfortable to the wraiths. The candidates for this would be Aganzir and me.

Maybe he was killed to set up Fea. That would be a very neat move.

Maybe he was another no-trail kill after all, because he was confused and generic, so best to kill him while he's still off track.

Maybe he was chosen because of the size of his name, combined with either because he was uncomfortable or because he was yet harmless.

Maybe he was killed to give us something to talk about and confuse us. At least that's what I enjoy doing when I'm a wolf.


Unless the wraiths really did think he was gifted, I don't think Aganzir killed him. He was not after her so strongly that she had no other choice but to, and otherwise she probably wouldn't make a kill that would point toward her like this.

Given how easily Fea gets herself lynched, there could be merit to the set-up idea. Killing Nogrod would give the wraiths an easy day. In any case: why would Fea want to kill Nogrod? She cannot be more than Ferny. Would the wraiths set up their cobbler like that, though?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh, you mean this one. That was in another post than the one I quoted, though. But okay, okay, you said it - only later. But when I look at it...

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Given how easily Fea gets herself lynched, there could be merit to the set-up idea. Killing Nogrod would give the wraiths an easy day. In any case: why would Fea want to kill Nogrod? She cannot be more than Ferny. Would the wraiths set up their cobbler like that, though?

To me, it seems once again just like downplaying it. What does it mean "would the wraiths set up their cobbler like that"? How would they be supposed to "set her up"? Cobbler and Wraiths do not talk to each other. But whatever.

I am going to make a last check if somebody didn't post, then vote and go.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

How would they be supposed to "set her up"? Cobbler and Wraiths do not talk to each other. But whatever.

Last game I was a wolf. I knew who my cobbler was. He didn't try particularly hard to hide from me. When it was a toss up between me definitely dying and me maybe getting him killed instead, I tried to play it off like we were lovers, thereby at the very least incriminating him (that way whether or not I died, I'd give the actual wolves an extra day while the village dealt with the Boromir88 situation). So yeah. Cobblers and their Bad Guys never make educated guesses and act on them.

In any case... as a matter of being set up, it's a case of the wraiths taking advantage of an easy scenario and killing off Nog (who first suggested lynching me) to make it look like a knee jerk (which is what my Dury vote looked like), making it look like I either killed Nog, or whatever.

Why wouldn't wraiths take advantage of an easy way to kill an ordo? Look, Fea is impulsive: let's pretend like this is news to us and kill her for it!

By the way, can I just mention that barely anybody suspected me (at least publicly) until Nog suggested a last minute lynch of me?

So all this "Fea is sooooo suspicious" happened today.

Think about it.

One impulsive move after a decent track record of actually paying attention when others do strange things (Rikae/seer; Dury/ranger), and everybody decides not to remember that I wasn't suspected until five minutes before deadline yesterday.

Brilliance.

[Beregond]

Instead of spending three hours to read all the day's activity (I read slow, alas!), or giving the last two pages a less-than-cursory glance before making some silly comments with no relevance, I shall just for now point out that I'm alive, have had a very busy tiring day, and will try to catch up...sometime. Sooner, I hope. With a small portion of wine, if necessary.

All I ask is that no one post anything until I've read the last two pages!

[A Little Green]

I think enough people have complained about yesterDay's voting, I won't do that - but I will have to wonder where that "Save Fea" -thingy came from. From what I gather, Nog asked whether anyone would be in for lynching Fea and that was enough to provoke such strong reactions.

I'm getting worried about Lari. Her change of opinion on Dury is weird. In her list post she says:

Originally Posted by Lari

Durelin: Besides not really liking the first post(though it was good) other than the feeling that the character that's like a ranger would not be a ranger but made a wolf(if I were picking) don't have anything on her.

Then:

Originally Posted by Lari

So where did this "lynch Fea" thing come into play? Not that I'm defending her, it just seems to be, well, really spontanious and not right. And I can't spell.

Then she votes Dury with this:

Originally Posted by Lari

Ok, so even after a lot of thinking and really not going off of what Rune said, my vote is:

++Durelin

I know its IC voting, but part of me thinks that putting her as a wolf would have been genius.

I find it weird that she should make voting Durelin look like something she made up all by herself and regardless of what was happening, when it looks to me like an effort to save Fea (who was in no grave danger as far as I can see).

What else? I'll be making a list later toDay and all that, but for now Lommy expressed a wish to post so I'll probably let her.

[Lariren Shadow]

So what I was thinking was this: I have nothing much else to go on. Then I refreshed the page a lot. Right before Fea had poster her vote I had pretty much made up my mind to vote for Durelin. I had no other good suspects. Durelin was the best option at the time for me, I don't know why, maybe my mind at almost 1 AM is not the best thing. Ergo I decided to vote for her. Rune then jumped in while I was refreshing the mad posting so it looked like I was listening to him.

Think I’m suspicious all you want, but I also voted Durelin on Day 1 for the same reasons. I don’t know if that makes me stupid or what.

Why would my vote be saving Fea? She had no votes by that point. Only Nog said to lynch Fea.

If anyone’s “save Fea” thing is suspicious it’s Rune's. I just wanted to know where Nog’s comment was from. Rune was the one who stated he wanted her to stay.

If everyone thinks I'm worth a look, go ahead and look.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I think enough people have complained about yesterDay's voting, I won't do that - but I will have to wonder where that "Save Fea" -thingy came from. From what I gather, Nog asked whether anyone would be in for lynching Fea and that was enough to provoke such strong reactions.

I'm getting worried about Lari. Her change of opinion on Dury is weird. In her list post she says:
Then:
Then she votes Dury with this:

I find it weird that she should make voting Durelin look like something she made up all by herself and regardless of what was happening, when it looks to me like an effort to save Fea (who was in no grave danger as far as I can see).

What else? I'll be making a list later toDay and all that, but for now Lommy expressed a wish to post so I'll probably let her.

I can setainly see why you raise your brows, but these things are difficult to analyse. Sometimes when you do not have much to go on you change your view quite easily, it does not take much more than a few comments from the right people.

As Mac point out there is a lot of possibilities to why Nogrod was killed, I am a bit sad that he does not conclude anything though. I always get a bit suspicous when people use a lot of energy on a post, but do not conclude anything. It seems wraith-ish.

Anyways I find his thoughts about Fea interesting. . . If she was set up, then who was it that did it?
It is tricky as it Fea normaly gets lynched anyway, it might be a wolves that have not played with Fea before or maybe she did it her self. OK that might be a bit twisted, but she is sertainly capable of doing stuff like that.

Allthough I would love it if it is a set-up, which would give us more stuff to analyze, I am more inclined to think that this was mostly a no-trace kill. Seeing that many people rate Nogrod highly, it is likely that the wraith saw a chance of getting rid of him and to make a no trace kill at the same time.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Mac

Maybe he was uncomfortable to the wraiths. The candidates for this would be Aganzir and me.

Originally Posted by Mac

Maybe he was killed to give us something to talk about and confuse us. At least that's what I enjoy doing when I'm a wolf.

Dunno, Mac, but looks almost like you're suggesting that you are a wraith yourself...

A list, then, as I think I promised...

Sally - I have no read on her. People keep voicing casual little suspicion on her pretty much all the time, but somehow she still escapes general attention.
Fea - YesterDay's voting certainly didn't put her into a particularly good light. I don't trust her.
Lari - I'm still a bit unsettled by her yesterDay's vote, but her response to me seemed pretty genuine and made me feel better about her. Not sure, still.
Mira - Securely under my reindeer. I'm uneasy about her yesterDay's Dury vote, but that's pretty much all I remember about her. I'll look at her if I have time.
Lommie - Nothing alarming this far.
Legate - Seems okay.
Rikae - I get an overall innocentish feel about her, but I just realised I never quite considered the possibility of her being a wraith. And what on earth was that "I'm Frodo" -business yesterDay?
Agan - Strikes me as innocentish.
Gondie - No idea.
Nerwen - Feels okay.
Rune - I generally get an innocent feel out of his posts, though his vote yesterDay was certainly strange and made me more wary about him. Not convinced either way.
Mac - He's another one that puzzles me. Half the time he seems innocentish, half the time he behaves just oddly and makes strange statements such as his reaction to Rikae's joke reveal. He drives me crazy some day.
Menel - He's been slipping under everybody's radar quite efficiently, I think. Someone to be looked at, to be sure.
Brinniel - I don't get why she is suspected, to me she feels quite okay.


EDIT: x-ed with Leggings

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Brinniel - I don't get why she is suspected, to me she feels quite okay.

That's precisely why I, at least, suspect her: she always feels okay. And then just while she's feeling most okay, she kills you quietly in the Night. My experience is that the people who have played with Brinn a few times have learned that they can't trust their judgment about her at all.

*is awake, eating, reading*

Amuse me, my people!

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Fea

That's precisely why I, at least, suspect her: she always feels okay. And then just while she's feeling most okay, she kills you quietly in the Night. My experience is that the people who have played with Brinn a few times have learned that they can't trust their judgment about her at all.

Tell me about that - I have never in my ww career suspected Brinn, and yet last time we played together she was the wolf genius who cheated us all. So I know what you mean - but I don't think just the fact she feels okay is enough grounds for suspicion. It's certainly enough grounds for keeping an eye on her, but not for direct suspicion - and I can't believe the fact that she can be a very sneaky wolf is the only reason why she is suspected.


EDIT: Have to add, Fea - our avvies look fabulous after each other, don't you think?

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Lari

Well, I do still think that you are not entirly innocent because of your trying to save yourself.

Why should an innocent person not want to save himself? Please, explain that to me.

Originally Posted by Lari

However, I pretty much voted for the same person two days in a row.

And both times with shady reasoning.

Originally Posted by Lari

As for the rest: are we sure that Nog's death wasn't in some way a way to implicate Fea? Can we really rule out a possible innocent Fea and really good wolves/wraiths? It would be kind of smart of them too. They wouldn't get blamed for killing off a very dangerous innocent, the village would just lynch her and be done with it.

Originally Posted by Lari

Now if we were to try to lynch Fea toDay, I'd be more for it than anyone else

How do those two statements go together? Making a point that Fea could have been set up, and then stating that you'd like to lynch her more than anybody else?

(unless maybe Mac or Rikae because, well, Mac has been sort of saved twice now and some of Rikae's posts are making me wonder).

Again, why does the fact that I escaped narrowly twice make me more suspicious?

Originally Posted by Lari

If anyone’s “save Fea” thing is suspicious it’s Rune's.

At least he admitted it.

Originally Posted by Rune

As Mac point out there is a lot of possibilities to why Nogrod was killed, I am a bit sad that he does not conclude anything though. I always get a bit suspicous when people use a lot of energy on a post, but do not conclude anything. It seems wraith-ish.

Well, my conclusions are my points about Agan and Fea. It's not really possible to say which possibility is the real one yet, but once we have one wraith, we might be able to say more. Guess I should have added that.

Originally Posted by Lily

Dunno, Mac, but looks almost like you're suggesting that you are a wraith yourself...

I never understood it and still don't: why is it suspicious to make statements of the kind "if I was a wolf"?

Also, I might slip once as a wolf, but not three or four times. Seriously. And if I did, I'd be acting much more nervous by now.