T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Rikae]

Oh, jeez. I shouldn't have said what I did above. Now I've gone and messed up our chances of the wraiths making a mistake. Rikae = doof.

[Rikae]

Bah, well, as long as I'm talking about it anyway... jeez, he could have ignored my hints because he *didn't* send his own name to the wraiths after all. In fact, I can think of a reason why he wouldn't... oh, I'm so stupid... *headdesk*

[Brinniel]

I'm sorry Ms. Ferny, but I'm afraid your act is over. It was a clever move and I applaud you that, but I'm sure you didn't count on one of your so called "dreams" to be the seer.

Don't believe Lommy for a second. She is smart and deceptive. And she probably wanted to take the heat off some possible wraiths or draw out the real seer (which she has in fact done). Unfortunately for her and fortunately for us, Sally actually is a wraith. I dreamt of her last Night. I'm sure Lommy wasn't expecting that.

Night 1: Lommy
Night 2: Nogrod
Night 3: Rune
Night 4: Sally

I dreamt of Lommy as an ordo, which is why she cannot be a wraith. She is the informer, and a sneaky one at that.

If you don't believe me, I recommend you check my posts and you'll see that I am telling the truth. Also, if I actually were a wraith, do you really think I would dare to leave Lommy alive? After Fea's game, no. I admit I make mistakes, but I would never make the same mistake twice.

Anyway, it would be a waste of time to lynch the cobbler. Especially when we have a known wraith in our grasp. Frodo may have been turned, but at least we are one wraith down.

++Sally

I'd love to be of more help, but I'm afraid I cannot be here much until around 7ish pm EST as I have classes most of the day.

[satansaloser2005]

*sigh*

Alas, had the seer dreamt of me a different Night she may have found my intentions quite different.

Re: Rune.
YesterDay I legitimitely thought he could be evil, cobbler perhaps if not something else, but obviously toDay it would be unfair to comment on such matters.



In other news I have to head to class.

In even other news the duck tells me to say this: "By Elbereth and Luthien the Fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!"

Back around lunchtime. (Heh, I made a typo and accidentally said 'lynchtime' at first.)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, now that is at least getting interesting.

But unless we have some real master-plot involved, things are clear. We got a WW and a Ringbearer, now we need two more Wolves.

That Sally would be the RB makes lot of sense - the difference in her posting, not being so vocal as usually, etc.

Brinn's defense against being revealed as a WW is a very feeble one. That's the only reason why I could see it being a trick (and Lommy, Brinn and Sally being all wolves, for example. But that won't make sense as they would all reveal and make themselves dead for nothing. Therefore, Lommy's claim is proven as truthful for me).

Now, I wonder who are the two other ones. We should not give ourselves to easy sleep and try to work on finding them, as if our lives depended on it. (Well, they do, actually.)

[Meneltarmacil]

A sneaky one you are, Lommy. And Brinn, I always figured you were on our side.

Well, Sally is evil, we can all agree on that. And by tomorrow we'll know another person's role. I'd suggest looking at Mac during the next Night phase, but that's just me.

In the meantime, these are our possible wraiths:
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Legate of Amon Lanc
Rikae
Aganzir
Beregond
Nerwen
Macalaure
A Little Green

For now, though...

++Sally

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Brinn

If you don't believe me, I recommend you check my posts and you'll see that I am telling the truth.

I don't believe you, and I'm pressed for time. Care to point out exactly what, in your posts, I should look for? A seer hint?

Incidentally, look at the first letters of the sentences in my first and second posts of Day 1. Obviously, I am not the seer, and not Frodo (why would I reveal now)? I'm just somebody who wanted some backup plans to avoid lynching if necessary.

Anyone can leave hints.

[Rikae]

Oh yeah, and:

++Sally

[Rikae]

Sorry, not my first and second posts of Day one, but my first and this one.

[Beregond]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Incidentally, look at the first letters of the sentences in my first and second posts of Day 1. Obviously, I am not the seer, and not Frodo (why would I reveal now)? I'm just somebody who wanted some backup plans to avoid lynching if necessary.

Very subtle! Nicely done. I at one point thought you might be Frodo, though I forget why (maybe it was your subliminal message) - then you said you were Frodo, and I mostly abandoned the theory.


Well, at least today's vote is clear, barring some master-plot as Legate said. I haven't decided which of our seers is the impostor, but the real one may be a victim tomorrow, unless the wraiths keep her alive for confusion's sake. Not that we sit on our hands, mind, but for now I'm going to vote early for voting early's sake.

++Sally

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sorry. . .I did not post as promised. I my self have a cold and simply fell a sleep on my sofa, now I have to go. I will vote tonight, but unless I get better I will not contribute with much more than that.

btw, I have no idea who is telling the truth. . .Lommy or Brinn, I did not understand why Legate found Brinn's defence so weak.

[Aganzir]

Brinn's way of revealing looks more honest compared to Lommy (when a baddie tries to impersonate a gifted, there's often a certain by-the-way attitude, which I think Lommy had in her post. Garr I can't explain it better, it's just that it takes you a while to realise there's a gifted revealing. Okay that was a bad way of saying it, it's hard to explain), but I trust Lommy more. She being the seer makes much more sense.

Kitanna, if the seer dreamed of Frodo last night, was she told it was Frodo the Wraith or just a Wraith?

Because I just can't see why sally would reveal her exact role when she had a chance to confuse us and make us waste time by going to look for people whose behaviour has changed. Unless she still remembers her happy days as an ordinary Breelander and feels pity for us in spite of the Morgul blade that pierced her heart... Or then she's double-bluffing.

Berry, why do you think that post is a clue? I see it quite another way - Brinn says she's convinced that Fea (who she never dreamed of) is evil.

I'll go through the voting properly once we know for certain who's lying because I don't feel like taking a risk of just speculating on the wrong things when I've been so insubstantial thus far. Instead I'll make that Mira case now.

[Beregond]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Berry, why do you think that post is a clue? I see it quite another way - Brinn says she's convinced that Fea (who she never dreamed of) is evil.

I shouldn't have quoted the whole post - I meant only the last part:

"Of course we can't ignore the early voters (or the non-voters) either, as I'm sure there's at least one wraith among them. Really what I need to do is take a closer look at everyone, as I'm sure someone is slipping under my radar. But that'll have to wait until tomorrow as it is extremely late and I must sleep."

Which could have been a hint, or...not.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Kitanna, if the seer dreamed of Frodo last night, was she told it was Frodo the Wraith or just a Wraith?

Ringbearer would be how the dream came out.

[Aganzir]

First, I don't know how much weight I should put on this all since despite watching over Fea & Lari's shoulders, this is still Mira's first game.

On day 1 she mostly bantered with others. She was always rather quick to defend Fea & Lari, but it's maybe understandable.

Okay this is a minor thing but she said Looks can be deceiving, Berry suggested she's a wolf because she doesn't look like one, and she said he caught her. I don't know if a newbie wolf would do that.

Originally Posted by Mira on Mac

Or he could have made that "slip" unintentionally and is trying to lure you off the pace of the real wraiths. Just an idea.

Sorry I'm slow but what did you mean with this?

Then there this which tripped my radar:

Originally Posted by Mira

Not to further the idea that Lari and I are aligned, but I have a tendency to play devil's advocate. You'll notice that I also came to Mac's defense earlier in the Day. No need to lynch without looking at all sides of the issue.

The beginning makes me a bit uneasy because it kind of screams "We are aligned! Close your eyes and don't see it!" but on the other hand I find it quite unlikely that those two are wolves together, because, well, two rather new wolves just doesn't sound very probable.
However it was the ending that I really didn't like because it reminds me of the way Lari reacted to Boro's accusations in last game. I thought about mentioning it in that game, didn't do it and had to regret it when the wolves won. That comment is jumpy the same way. No one is lynching you yet for defending other players.

She voted for Lommy, whose flip-flopping had been bothering her for the past few pages. Her vote post is close to the end of Page 5. Lommy's last post is close to the end of Page 3. The first lines of that post were Continuing my flip-flopping on this topic...
Why vote someone because of something she has admitted herself? Well yeah of course she could be trying to look good by admitting the weird things she does, but Lommy is famous for her flip-flopping (okay this is not something I automatically expect you to know). But the vote is a bit forced-looking still, especially as she hadn't talked about Lommy at all earlier.
When Mira voted, it became Brinn-3, Mac-2, Lommy-2, Gollum-2, Lari&me-1. If she and Brinn are wolves together, why didn't she vote for Mac to slighten the chance Brinn was lynched? If Lommy is a lying Ferny (which I'm not inclined to believe but include here for the sake of coherency), Mirawolf couldn't probably have known about it yet so it means nothing.

Although I agree with Mira that the Gollum bandwagon was odd, I think her reaction to it

Wow because all this vote changing doesn't look suspicious AT ALL. Seriously, I left for what, 15 minutes and everyone loses their sense of logic.

is a bit exaggerated. If she's a wolf, she knew Gollum was innocent and could make herself look a bit better by saying that.

Then day 2... She didn't have much time to be online and made a summary post about an hour before deadline.
Something in Brinn's posting style rubbed her the wrong day but she couldn't put her finger on it and didn't want to vote for her as of yet.
She didn't seem to have an opinion on Lommy, apart from saying could be innocent or could be alluding to a more devious role, but I'm not sure if she's talking about her or Rikae, as she quoted a post where Lomz talked about Rikae.
Of sally she said she hadn't been around much that day.
As for her other suspects, she was very suspicious of Rikae's roleplay. According to her, Rikae's seer post was most likely a joke but still warrants suspicion. Why? She also suggested Mac could be a baddie but it wasn't wholly serious, I think.

*pauses to eat a Fair Trade banana and wants to share this information with you because bananas are good*

Mira also asked why there had been no talk about who the ranger might be although every other role had been discussed. Well there had been a reason to talk about the other roles, but usually it's better if we don't share our speculations on them because it's always possible the wolves haven't realised those things yet.
I could see that as a newbie-wolfish seemingly innocent inquiry.

She was quite quick to agree with Fea when she accused Dury. Fea was innocent but that doesn't change the fact that Durelin was an easy lynch with, erm, not so good reasons.
The only thing Mira had said about Dury in her analysis was that she hadn't posted much that day. Now all of a sudden she was mighty suspicious. Okay, granted, she posted IC under an hour before deadline only after Mira's post, but Mira accused her for her first ranger post.
She ended up voting Dury. I find her vote fishy. Her explanation was that she posted IC 40 minutes before deadline which was a strange move and makes her very suspicious. This was the first time she mentioned Dury's IC posting, which others had mentioned earlier, though. It's just such an easy vote that it bothers me. She xed with two other Dury votes, though, so she probably thought hers to be the second instead of fourth vote for Dur.

Mira was suspicious of Rune because of the way he treated Fea. I think her reasons were pretty much dependent on Fea's guilt, of which people were rather sure yesterday.
She voted for Rune after an argument between them. Today she hasn't been around yet.

The conclusion I reached yesterday was that she was more suspicious than today, but back then there were some Fea comments that looked like they could have been said by a fellow or someone who knows Fea is evil. I don't think I have added most of them here as they didn't seem relevant anymore.

I don't really know. There are several things that make me suspicious of her, but on the other hand, the overall tone of her posts doesn't look very wolfish. Also, she's new, which probably explains her occasional going with the flow.

I'm not suspicious enough to vote for her, at least for now, but I'll keep an eye on her.

[Brinniel]

(So, my dance class lasted only a half hour because our pianist never showed due to the blizzard. Unfortunately, it meant me walking a half hour in the snow just to take a half hour class, not to mention my boots aren't waterproof. On the positive side, it means I have a bit more time to post.)

Originally Posted by Rikae

I don't believe you, and I'm pressed for time. Care to point out exactly what, in your posts, I should look for? A seer hint?

Any particular reason why you don't believe me? What makes Lommy's reveal so much more believable? (I ask not just Rikae this.) As for hints, no I didn't leave a secret message inside my posts; I found it'd be too obvious and like you said, anyone can leave a hint. But if you look through my posts, you will see my word follows through and I have consistently defended those who I knew to be innocent. Lommy has no more evidence than I do. She may be clever, but don't let her fool you. This village has already been misled enough, and I would hate to see happen again.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Brinn's way of revealing looks more honest compared to Lommy (when a baddie tries to impersonate a gifted, there's often a certain by-the-way attitude, which I think Lommy had in her post. Garr I can't explain it better, it's just that it takes you a while to realise there's a gifted revealing. Okay that was a bad way of saying it, it's hard to explain), but I trust Lommy more. She being the seer makes much more sense.

Yes, you didn't explain it well because that makes no sense to me. You find me more honest, but would rather trust Lommy?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I see it quite another way - Brinn says she's convinced that Fea (who she never dreamed of) is evil.

Yes, I was convinced Fea was evil; her behaviour seemed so suspicious I couldn't see how she possibly could be innocent. I didn't dream of her because I thought it likely she was the cobbler, and she'd only turn up as an ordo. Obviously I was very wrong.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Yes, you didn't explain it well because that makes no sense to me. You find me more honest, but would rather trust Lommy?

No I was talking merely about the ways you two revealed. In general I trust Lommy more than you because I find it rather easier to see you as a baddie than her.
Plus, I doubt a baddie who is practically not at all suspected would pretend to be the seer. Yeah to draw out the real seer, but I doubt it. And to be honest, I'm not sure Lommy would do it even if she was the cobbler. It just doesn't seem like something she would do without any provocation.

edit: xed with Legate. What difference would it make? The seer would know in the morning anyway that Frodo was a wraith.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Any particular reason why you don't believe me? What makes Lommy's reveal so much more believable? (I ask not just Rikae this.)

Just like I said above, my answer would be:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Simply. It would be quite lucky (read: really improbable thing to happen) for Lommy to come up as a Seer, and by chance pick the real Seer among her suspects. But on the other hand, what could have poor Brinnwolf done when the real Seer Lommy came out with revealing her? She could have either said "I am innocent, please real Seer, come out", or simply give it a shot herself. Which is very weak, but seems like Brinn decided to do that.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Bah, well, as long as I'm talking about it anyway... jeez, he could have ignored my hints because he *didn't* send his own name to the wraiths after all. In fact, I can think of a reason why he wouldn't... oh, I'm so stupid... *headdesk*

I didn't see anything. Nope, not me. You said nothing. This was an empty post, and not at all a completely obvious outing of yourself as Ferny. Thanks for that. Thanks a lot. Blast, it's so hard to find good help these days....

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

What else could she do? Claim her innocent and she'd fall with her anyway? The only way Sally would not have been doomed is if she had made a third "reveal". (I'd have loved that. )

edit: xed with Legazzone

Oh, but I did, lovely.

[Brinniel]

*yawns*

You all are so boring and predictable. Like mindless cattle, believing the first claim you hear. Never mind, I don't really care anymore...why waste my time with a close-minded village?

In other news, did anyone watch LOST tonight? It was awesome.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

*yawns*

You all are so boring and predictable. Like mindless cattle, believing the first claim you hear. Never mind, I don't really care anymore...why waste my time with a close-minded village?

In other news, did anyone watch LOST tonight? It was awesome.

*yawns*

Frankly, I think the forces of darkness could be putting on a better show.

Remember Mormegil and Nogrod in Fea's game? Now that was awesome.

EDIT: X'd with Sally.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

*yawns*

Frankly, I think the forces of darkness could be putting on a better show.

Remember Mormegil and Nogrod in Fea's game? Now that was awesome.

You want a show? Oh, now you're just asking for it!


EDIT: x'd with Brinn. *runs off to plot* See, you should have killed me!

[Brinniel]

But really guys, do you always have to let the seer do all the work for you? You blindly lynched innocents and couldn't manage to lynch a single wraith until the seer revealed. Lucky for you. But without a seer to do your dirty work, you are all just hopeless. Let's just see how well you do once she is dead.

[Brinniel]

Frankly, I think the forces of darkness could be putting on a better show.

Just wait for Sally's final act. She has a whole extra Day and I know she'll do me proud.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Just wait for Sally's final act. She has a whole extra Day and I know she'll do me proud.

Let it be known that Brinniel has just confessed.

Anyone else around, apart from these two?

[satansaloser2005]

Remember when the seer revealed and I got on my knees
And begged you not to vote for me because I'd go berserk?? Well....
You retracted anyhow and then the Day got worse and worse and now you see
I've gone completely out of my mind....And....

They're coming to take me away, haha!
They're coming to take me away, hoho, hehe, haha
To the Barrow Downs, where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats
And they're coming to take me away, haha!!!!!

You thought it was a joke and so you laughed, you laughed when I had said
that getting lynched would make me flip my lid....RIGHT???
I know you laughed, I heard you laugh, you laughed you laughed
And lynched and bandwaggoned on, but now you know I'm utterly dead....And....

They're coming to take me away, haha!
They're coming to take me away, hoho, hehe, haha.
To the Barrow Downs, with trees and flowers and chirping birds
And cunning Finns who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes
And they're coming to take me away, haha!!!

I faked a reveal, I lynched a Fea, and this is how you pay me back
for all my kind unselfish loving deeds. Huh??
Well you just wait, they'll find you yet and when they do
They'll put you in the Tol-in-Gaurhoth Grimoire, you nasty seer!!! And....

They're coming to take me away, haha!
They're coming to take me away, hoho, hehe, haha.
To the Barrow Downs, where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats
And they're coming to take me away, haha!!!

To the Barrow Downs, with trees and flowers and chirping birds
And Bombadil who sits and smiles and twiddles his thumbs and toes
And they're coming to take me away, haha!!!
To the Barrow Downs, where life is beautiful all the time....

[Brinniel]

On a more serious note, the reason I'm exposing myself now is because I want to let you know in advance that my outburst on Day 1 wasn't any sort of evil scheme of mine. I was honestly offended by some comments and spun a bit out of control...it has absolutely nothing to do with my role or the game itself, and I felt really bad about it afterwards. I would really hate to be lynched having you guys think I was unsporty.

Now that that's out of the way, I don't understand why you all think I make such a brilliant wolf. I'm really quite crappy at it...if you don't believe me, take a look at my past games. The only one I've played exceptionally well was Fea's and a lot of that was dumb luck. But otherwise, I'm really horrible, no joke! I never make the right kill and my ploys never work. So stop calling me a scary baddie or whatever, because if you think that, you're just not trying hard enough. I've never been right about a gifted until this game...I actually wanted to kill Lommy on Night 2 and Sally said no. I'm not that stupid; I was almost positive she was the seer but I wasn't going to risk the chance she may be protected or I might be wrong, and since killing her would incriminate me and Sally, why not brave it out? And it was a good choice since instead we found our Frodo. I actually have to give my fellow credit for the kill choice. I didn't want to kill Greenie, but they insisted for two Nights, so I gave in. Good thing I did.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I didn't see anything. Nope, not me. You said nothing. This was an empty post, and not at all a completely obvious outing of yourself as Ferny. Thanks for that. Thanks a lot. Blast, it's so hard to find good help these days....

Oh, you're back to being a wraith, are you, Sally?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh, you're back to being a wraith, are you, Sally?

ToDay, certainly. Glad you're catching on.