T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Macalaure]

Mirandir

In #92 she's one of the few to defend me after my supposed Ferny slip. The only others to do so was Rikae (explicably) and the next day wraith Brinn. This could either mean nothing, or that she's a wraith who thought I'm Ferny, or that she's Ferny thinking she got a hint from the wraiths.

Not to further the idea that Lari and I are aligned, but I have a tendency to play devil's advocate.

This could be interpreted as a cobbler hint. If so, then maybe she thought Lari was a wraith. She voted Lommy in the end, which, as Aganzir said, points against her being a wraith.

On Day2, she gives a shady opinion on Brinniel. In the same post she encourages discussion about the ranger. This is something that could have happened to a newbie ordo, but it looks suspicious nevertheless. She also says that Fea can confuse people and later willingly lets herself be confused. What if the cobbler had the idea that Fea was a wraith at this point? S/he would act like Mirandir did.

Later she goes after Rune and votes for him.

Her response to Agan's case looks innocentish. #678, however, could be interpreted as a slip. She votes for Brinn.


What she's been doing could easily point toward a newbie ordo. However, a lot would fit in with cobblerdom just too neatly. Her guilt would make Rune look good.

[A Little Green]

(Analysis on Menel, my comments in italics.)

DAY 1

- In-character jokes, jesting about his tendency to get lynched early, Frodo should reveal but not on Day 1 or 2, Ferny = someone gathering information but not letting us in on it

- Aganzir not suspicious, agrees with her that Frodo should not be our primary concern, Mac ”a major puzzle”

- Not voting Nog, Agan or Brinn because they make sense, votes Mac with this:

Originally Posted by Menel

Macalaure may be stumbling over the fact that he's a wraith and can't twist the villagers' words into anything suspicious, as his last list gives mostly "innocent" and "no clue".

You'll see later why I posted the quote.

DAY 2

- Still suspecting Mac because of his ongoing suspicion of Gollum. Says that the seer should not be openly discussed because it endangers him/her even though it also might help to protect him/her.

- Says that if Fea was suggesting lynching Mac he'd be in for it.

- Clarifies his suspicion of Mac, saying that he was suspicious of him because Mac suspected Gollum throughout Day1 and not only in the end.
Wait... He said earlier he suspected Mac because of Gollum's lynch, but if Mac had indeed suspected him for the whole Day it shouldn't be surprising he wants him lynched.

- Has been checking out Aganzir because wants to focus on others than Mac, says she appears innocent but doesn't have much ideas on what to do and concentrates a lot on Nog. Says that a lack of suggestions should not define one as a wraith since he has no idea what to look for. Speculates that either Rikae or Mac might be a wraith since they are confusing the village. Votes Mac.
This post is one of the most eyebrow-raising ones I found. First of all, if (at least on Day 1) Agan was one of the three people he didn't suspect then why did he choose to check her and not someone else? That thing about lack of suggestions not being a sign of wraithism is also weird since he voted Mac on Day one for exactly that...

- Answers to why he keeps suspecting Mac:

Actually, it's not about revenge, craziness, being a wraith, or anything else, Mac. It's just that I really have no idea what to do, found a few odd things in your posts, and can't figure out anything else.

I'm sorry, really.

DAY 3

- Says Fea is hovering between helpful and mysterious, was strange on Day 1 because she said she'd look at Sally but looked at Brinn instead and suspected her with no reason. Says Fea's role in the Dury bandwagon was suspicious because it came out of nowhere and led to an innocent dying. Says he is wary of Fea.

- A sort of list. Not suspicious: Agan, Brinn and Legate, Suspicious: Mac (Ferny comment, Gollum's lynch) and Fea (reasons that are obvious for everyone), Rikae to a lesser extent (seer things), can't decide between Mac and Fea.
I am bothered by how easy his suspicions and also his non-suspicions are.

- Rolls the dice to decide between Mac and Fea, votes Mac.
Note: he votes Mac for the third time in a row.

DAY 4

- Reaction to Lommy and Brinn's reveals:

Originally Posted by Menel

A sneaky one you are, Lommy. And Brinn, I always figured you were on our side.
Well, Sally is evil, we can all agree on that. And by tomorrow we'll know another person's role. I'd suggest looking at Mac during the next Night phase, but that's just me.

Lists everyone except Brinn, Lommy, Sally and himself as possible wraiths. Votes Sally.
First of all, maybe it's because Brinn was a wolf but I don't like how he believes Brinn and not Lommy. I'd understand it if he said "I don't know who to believe, I'm more inclined to believe Brinn" or something like that, but it looks like he's dead certain Brinn tells the truth.

Originally Posted by Menel

One thing I'm wondering about: If Brinn is a wraith, which I definitely consider possible, why does she also mention Sally as a wraith? And why would a Lommywraith point the finger at her fellow wraith Sally if she wants to sow confusion?

This whole thing just seems wrong.

And now he considers it possible that Brinn is a wraith, when in the post before this he is so certain of Brinn being the real seer?

- After the general consensus, so to speak, had all but decided that Brinn would be a better lynch candidate than Sally:

I'll let my Sally vote stand for now, as I can be reasonably sure she's a wraith. This seer business should clear itself up soon enough when we see who the wolves try to kill.

Says that the only one who really has to worry about the seer's identity at this point is the ranger.
His insistence of voting Sally instead of Brinn is weird. It could be a wolf trying to save the one of his fellows who might still stand a chance of survival.

DAY 5

Says he'll be busy today. Votes Sally.


CONCLUSIONS?

Menel has done some eyebrow-rising stuff (eg. his suspecting Mac so persistently with the reasons changing along the way, and also his reactions to the seer reveals, the way he keeps talking only about a small number of people, and flying under the general radar (of which we others may be to blame more than he is)). I'm glad I checked him. He seems somewhat suspicious on the basis of what I have read, and I'll be having a much tighter eye on him from now on. He's easy to let slip by unnoticed since he mostly posts relatively short posts every now and then, but I at least won't be doing than anymore.

[satansaloser2005]

NEW MEMBER:
Good Morning.
SALLY:
Good Morning, sir. Welcome to the Barrow-Downs.
NEW MEMBER:
Ah, thank you my good lass.
SALLY:
What can I do for you, sir?
NEW MEMBER:
Well, I was, uh, sitting in the public library on New Row just now, skimming through “The Shibboleth of Feanor” by our dear Professor, and I suddenly came over all cutthroat.
SALLY:
Cutthroat, sir?
NEW MEMBER:
Belligerent.
SALLY:
Eh?
NEW MEMBER:
(In a broad Yorkshire accent) Eee I were all bloodthirsty, like.
SALLY:
Ah, bloodthirsty.
NEW MEMBER:
In a nutshell. And I thought to myself, 'a little strategic game will do the trick'. So I curtailed my Tolkienian activites, sallied forth, and infiltrated your place of recreation to negotiate the lynching of some hapless denizen.
SALLY:
Come again?
NEW MEMBER:
I want to play Werewolf.
SALLY:
Oh, I thought you were complaining about the duck in the corner there.
NEW MEMBER:
Oh, heaven forbid. I am one who delights in all manifestations of the Anatid Family.
SALLY:
Sorry?
NEW MEMBER:
(In a broad Yorkshire accent) Ooo, I like a nice duckie.
SALLY:
So she can go on quacking, can she?
NEW MEMBER:
Most certainly. Now then, some candidates please, my good man.
SALLY:
Certainly, sir. Whom would you like to vote for?
NEW MEMBER:
Well, eh, how about a little Thinlomien?
SALLY:
I'm afraid we're fresh out of Lommy, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Oh never mind, how are you on Fea?
SALLY:
I'm afraid we never have her at the end of the week, sir. We lynch her fresh on Monday.
NEW MEMBER:
Tish tish. No matter. Well, stout yeoman, one vote for mormegil, if you please.
SALLY:
Ah. He's been on order, sir, for two weeks. I was expecting him this morning.
NEW MEMBER:
It's not my lucky day, is it? Er, Cailin?
SALLY:
Sorry, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Eomer?
SALLY:
Normally, sir, yes. Today the van broke down.
NEW MEMBER:
Ah. Mithalwen?
SALLY:
Sorry.
NEW MEMBER:
Rikae? Macalaure?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Any Finnish Noggie, per chance?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Thenamir?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Holbytlass?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Fordim Hedgethistle?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Danish Rune?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
littlemanpoet?
SALLY:
..... No.
NEW MEMBER:
the guy who be short?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
The Saucepan Man?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
alatar, Legate, Morthoron, William Cloud Hickli(n), Sauron the White, wilwarin, davem, Lalwende, Hookbill?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
The Barrow Wight, perhaps?
SALLY:
Ah! We have The Barrow Wight, yes sir.
NEW MEMBER:
You do! Excellent.
SALLY:
Yes, sir. He’s, ah ..... he's a bit invisible.
NEW MEMBER:
Oh, I like them invisible.
SALLY:
Well, he's very invisible, actually, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
No matter. Fetch hither le mod of this great site! M-mmm!
SALLY:
I think he's a bit more invisible than you'll like, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
I don't care how invisible he is. Hand him over with all speed.
SALLY:
Oh .....
NEW MEMBER:
What now?
SALLY:
The duck's eaten him.
NEW MEMBER:
Has he?
SALLY:
She, sir.

(pause)
NEW MEMBER:
Diamond18?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Roa_Aoife?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Durelin?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
piosenniel?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Nilpaurion Felagund?
SALLY:
No, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
You do have some villagers, do you?
SALLY:
Of course, sir. It's a discussion forum, sir. We've got .....
NEW MEMBER:
No, no, don't tell me. I'm keen to guess.
SALLY:
Fair enough.
NEW MEMBER:
Er, sally?
SALLY:
Yes?
NEW MEMBER:
Ah, well, I'll cast a vote for her.
SALLY:
Oh, I thought you were talking to me, sir. Miss sally, that's my name.

(pause)
NEW MEMBER:
lindil?
SALLY:
Ah, not as such.
NEW MEMBER:
Er, Bethberry?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Sharku?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Squatter of Amon Rudh?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
burrahobbit?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Folwren?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Ibrinidhilpathanazel?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
legolasluvvver_13_andahalf?.
SALLY:
Not today, sir, no.

(pause)
NEW MEMBER:
Ah, how about phantom?
SALLY:
Well, we don't get much call for him around here, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Not much ca- He's the single most popular member in the world!
SALLY:
Not round here, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
And who is the most popular member round here?
SALLY:
Alien, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Is he.
SALLY:
Oh yes, sir. He’s staggeringly popular in this manor, squire.
NEW MEMBER:
Is he.
SALLY:
He's our number-one top rep-ee, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
I see. Ah, Alien, eh?
SALLY:
Right, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
All right. Okay. Have you got him, he asked, expecting the answer no?
SALLY:
I'll have a look, sir ..... nnnnnnooooooooo.
NEW MEMBER:
It's not much of a Werewolf game, is it?
SALLY:
Finest in the district, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Explain the logic underlying that conclusion, please.
SALLY:
Well, it's so clean, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
It's certainly uncontaminated by villagers.
SALLY:
You haven't asked me about Boromir88, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Is it worth it?
SALLY:
Could be.
NEW MEMBER:
Have you- SHUT THAT BLOODY DUCK UP!
SALLY:
(To Emily) Told you so.
NEW MEMBER:
Have you got Boromir88?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
That figures. Predictable really, I suppose. It was an act of purest optimism to have posed the question in the first place. Tell me:
SALLY:
Yes, sir?
NEW MEMBER:
Have you in fact got any villagers here at all?
SALLY:
Yes, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Really?

(pause)
SALLY:
No. Not really, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
You haven't.
SALLY:
No, sir, not a scrap. I was deliberately wasting your time, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Well, I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to shoot you.
SALLY:
Right-O, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
(Shoots her) What a senseless waste of human life.

[Mirandir]

Looks like toDay's lynch won't be of much debate...Oh well. I do highly enjoy having sally around for entertainment's sake (the Be Prepared parody pretty much made my day), but alas it is time for the wraith to go.

++sally

EDIT: Oh my. I just realized how suspicious being sad about lynching wraith looks. Keep in mind that it's not because she's a wraith, but rather a source of entertainment (after all, were else would we get such scintillating literary wonders as "10001 ways to kill Sally, part the first" and the like?) Consider it amusement for a very bored and very tired library employee with no motivation to do actual work.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Mirandir

EDIT: Oh my. I just realized how suspicious being sad about lynching wraith looks. Keep in mind that it's not because she's a wraith, but rather a source of entertainment (after all, were else would we get such scintillating literary wonders as "10001 ways to kill Sally, part the first" and the like?) Consider it amusement for a very bored and very tired library employee with no motivation to do actual work.

YES! MY Plan IS SUCCEEDING!

*realizes village is still going to lynch her*

...What? How dare you question the cunningness of my cunning plan???

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Alright I have decided to do one of those popular lists, hopefully it will h


Legate of Amon Lanc: I have very hard time picturing Legate as a wraith
Rikae : What pussles me about Rikae is her case against Fea, it would be very daring of a wraith to go so determently after a singly person, but Rikae is a very bold woman who can twist many situations to her advantage.
Aganzir: As I said before she seems very reasonable and innocent. . . last time I played with her I found her very annoying and slightly suspicous and she turned out innocent. hmmm. . . I am hoping that it is because her style changes from game to game.
Beregond : Beregond is one of those people that I just don't notice, I cannot remember one single post he has made. . .Obviously this is not his fault, it is probably me who should focus more broadly.
Nerwen : I always feel a bit uneasy about her, she always seems sneaky. . .but I have nothing on her right now.
Macalaure: The only person I really had a case against and felt was most likely a wraith. Just my luck that he should turn out to be innocent, I could see him as the cobbler though. . .but the cobbler is not a person we should hunt, lets hobe the wraiths take care of their helper by mistake.
Meneltarmacil: As i said just before, he is playing more or less like I remember him playing in earlier games, but I have to admit that Little Green do have a few points in her accusations against him.
A Little Green: I am constantly flip floping between finding her posts very innocent looking and finding them slightly wraithish, I really can't tell.
Lariren Shadow - The same as little green
Mirandir - The same as Little Green

So the conclusion must be that Legate, Mac and Aganzir are not people I consider lynch candidates at the moment.

EDIT: Cross posted with Legate and Mirandir

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Looks like toDay's lynch won't be of much debate...Oh well. I do highly enjoy having sally around for entertainment's sake (the Be Prepared parody pretty much made my day), but alas it is time for the wraith to go.

++sally

EDIT: Oh my. I just realized how suspicious being sad about lynching wraith looks. Keep in mind that it's not because she's a wraith, but rather a source of entertainment (after all, were else would we get such scintillating literary wonders as "10001 ways to kill Sally, part the first" and the like?) Consider it amusement for a very bored and very tired library employee with no motivation to do actual work.

I am quoting the whole post, as in this context the "edit" part looks quite innocentish. Even a newbie wraith (or recently turned Mr. Baggins), I believe, won't be as careless to say something like that?

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Huh? I was with you up until this point. That could just be because I'm ridiculously tired at the moment, but could you explain please? Sorry to be a pain.

Well, it's simple. The Wraith is pretending to be an innocent. But he differs from the innocents in two aspects: a) he knows who the Wraiths are, so when writing about a Wraith, he does not have the innocent's point of view: he knows he is writing about a Wraith. And likewise, b) he knows who the Innocents are, too: so even when writing about an Innocent, he does not have a true Innocent's point of view. This is what can be noticed on his posts. Understood now?

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Alright I have decided to do one of those popular lists, hopefully it will h

Yea, hopefully it will.

Rikae : What pussles me about Rikae is her case against Fea, it would be very daring of a wraith to go so determently after a singly person, but Rikae is a very bold woman who can twist many situations to her advantage.

Now that you mention it... I wonder if it is possible that Rikae-wolf would have picked a "right horse" in seeing the general meaning likely to be aroused against Fea (or even Mac, for that matter, there was something similar going on)... in the sense, you know, that it was not just her who was going after her, there was also me who had said something like that even as early as Day 1 (that she could be a Cobbler or something), then Rikae sort of supported that... perhaps she as a Wolf could have hoped that I (I am saying that with all modesty) could be influential enough to make people follow my meaning (supported by hers) and make more people join the cause? Of course, it was not just me, but also others... but in general: if she could have picked upon these people, and lead the lynching mob against an Innocent, so to say? I really wonder... That is some food for thought, at least.

(EDIT: x-ed with Rikae)

...or perhaps I am just getting paranoid

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I
Yea, hopefully it will.

oh ups. . . I could not figure out how to word that line. so I waited till I had written the rest of the post and then I forgot all about finnishing that line.

[satansaloser2005]

++Initiate Filibuster

[satansaloser2005]

I need to finish my alphabet!


J: Just a penguin hugger. Lommie, and her long-standing obsession with penguins, is easily recognized throughout the board.

[Macalaure]

I had a bad day, so instead of an extended opinion of Rune, Legate, and Aganzir, this will be the last thing you'll hear from me toDay - hopefully not the last thing at all.

I'm very much puzzled by Aganzir's insisting that I'm evil. I remember for a while I always thought Nogrod was evil, no matter what happened, but this seems to be a much worse case of paranoia. Aganzir: if I'm a cobbler, it will show by my staying alive. Please just believe me that I'm innocent and then we'll talk about it again if I don't die.

Funnily, Legate defending my innocence is quite surprising, too.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Why?

The fact that she's laughing at the idea of me being Ferny. Why is that idea funny - unless you know better?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Also... Go and see post #684. It's interesting that the list includes everyone except Mac, and right there he states that on the list is one wolf and the RB. So where's Mr Ferny?

Oh, please. That list was for myself to have a look at who's left to be looked at. Of course it didn't include me. You're right, I forgot Ferny - because I didn't really care much, I had wraiths on my mind. I ended up finding Mirandir Ferny-ish-looking, but if I wouldn't have found anybody for the job, it wouldn't have bothered me.

I regret now that I didn't analyse Aganzir earlier instead of someone else...

Lari's statements toDay don't make me feel better about her at all.

And I think Rikae just took werewolf-scholarship to a whole new level - a spreadsheet??

[satansaloser2005]

R: Rikae. Easily one of the most tricksy players in WW. Must be watched, precious.

[satansaloser2005]

S: Steve. See Eon.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Understood now?

Yup! Thank you!

[satansaloser2005]

The monkey is in daycare. Repeat: the monkey is in daycare.

[satansaloser2005]

Shall I compare thee to a mindless herd?
Thou art more silly and more bandwagon.
For thou dost take the Seer upon her word,
And giveth no clues as to the next one.
Sometimes 'tis good to keep a wraith around,
And let her ludicrousness entertain,
For every ordo doth with angst abound,
Somebody's got to keep this village sane.
But thy eternal doom shall never fade,
Nor lose possession of those deaths thou ow'st.
Nor, when I turn from wraith to Evil Shade
Shall I stop haunting thee wheree'er thou goest.
So long as men can read and eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this brings death to thee.

[Beregond]

Well, I figured I should check in. I didn't mean to miss out on today, but that's what happened. And I'm going out for a few hours tonight, but might be back before voting.

Nonetheless, although she's been very amusing (I am impressed by that sdrawkcab gnos!):

++Sally


Tomorrow/Sunday's vote will interesting. I hope to catch up tonight but no promises.

[Rikae]

Or, as a wolf, I could have just picked up on the fact that Fea did something outrageously suspicious, and gone after it forcefully because I had her suspicious behavior as a cover... and because I knew perfectly well people would say that a wolf wouldn't do that. I would have, probably. Wouldn't surprise me if a wolf-Legate would do the same.

[Rikae]

That last post was a reply to Legate, of course.
*goes back to working on masterpiece*

[Lariren Shadow]

People keep talking about my "Mac slip". Can someone please point it out to me because I really don't actually know what it is.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally was a chemist's spawn,
But Sally is no more.
What Sally thought was H2O
Was H2SO4

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Was H2SO4

Sulfuric acid!

[satansaloser2005]

Sally: I want a sandwich. MUSTER THE NINE!

Khamul: YES, MA'AM!

Unidentified Female Wraith: *screams*

Sally: I want you to find me a sandwich with eggs... and ham.

*mustering bell*

Sally: HAAAAAM! HAAAAAAM!

Khamul: You heard her: GET the ham.

*later*

Sally: Do you have it?

Duck: ...What?

Sally: My sandwich with eggs and ham.

Duck: ...Erm...no... but there's a shop nearby...

Sally: Good. I will say no more.

*still later*

Sally: Finally, we've reached the Prancing Pony. Khamul, take your riders down the left flank and bring me my @%&# sandwich already! Bread shall be sliced... eggs shall be splintered... A ham! AND THE WATER IS BOOOIILIIIING!

HAAAAAAAM!

Riders: HAAAAAM!

Sally: HAAAAAAM!

Riders: HAAAAAAAAM!

Sally: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!!!

*village attacks*

Sally: AAAAAARGH!

*Sally lays dying* All I wanted was a sandwich with eggs... and ham...

Khamul: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO I BROUGHT YOU YOUR SANDWICH! And I'm too late. Fantastic.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Mac

#678, however, could be interpreted as a slip.

Why?

Originally Posted by Greeny

First of all, if (at least on Day 1) Agan was one of the three people he didn't suspect then why did he choose to check her and not someone else?

Because I'm so pretty.

I don't know what to make of Greeny's case against Menel. The points against him are good, but then again I think he's quite an easy target. And he always appears a bit suspicious.

Originally Posted by Legate

unless he knows more than we do, he should not be that great threat until really very late.

You're being optimistic. Not that we're in such a hurry to kill Ferny yet, but xe is a threat nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Legate

For this reason, I strongly suggest that everybody states his opinion on all people

So this doesn't include me or any other girls?

**

I have way too many suspects. *is getting paranoid*

Guilty
sally. Bye bye darling.
Lari. I really don't know what to think. I'm rather sure she hasn't been a wolf from the beginning, but she could be Frodo. Her Mac slip is strange.
Mira. Because I don't want to forget all about her.
Mac. I can't help it but I still think he's the cobbler. It would at least explain some of his slips. Also... Go and see post #684. It's interesting that the list includes everyone except Mac, and right there he states that on the list is one wolf and the RB. So where's Mr Ferny?
Greenie. Her posts yesterday & today make me uneasy. I found her fairly innocent earlier but now she's creeping me out. She's my another RB candidate.

Innocent
Legate. He just seems generally innocent. Although I'm not so sure anymore because I quite disagree with his list in #757. Also, I don't like the way he says Ferny is not a threat. Okay he's here for now but I'm watching him.
Rikae. Seems generally innocent although I don't think I should trust her as much as I seem to do.
Berry. Hasn't done anything suspicious.

Neither
Nerwen. She's posted unusually little and hasn't left any clear impression.
Rune. Hasn't left any clear impression. I found him a bit suspicious earlier but don't know anymore.
Menel. Some of Greenie's points were good, but he just always seems to appear suspicious so I don't know, especially as I'm suspicious of Greenie herself.