Is Ekkaia now called Outer Space? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Vultur · 02-01-2009, 10:25 PM

At least in the 1930s, Tolkien had the Ekkaia or Vaiya not being a real water ocean even before the downfall of Numenor. In the Ambarkanta (found in HoME IV) Vaiya is "more like to water below the Earth and more like to air above it" and ships cannot sail in it.

Eäralda Halatiriva · 07-16-2009, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Vultur

At least in the 1930s, Tolkien had the Ekkaia or Vaiya not being a real water ocean even before the downfall of Numenor. In the Ambarkanta (found in HoME IV) Vaiya is "more like to water below the Earth and more like to air above it" and ships cannot sail in it.

cool thanks! so it seems that Ulmo is really given lordship over Outer Space...Ossë and Uinen are then both the governors of the Earth's bodies of water, and they report to Ulmo, who reports to Manwë, who reports to Eru.

Findegil · 07-17-2009, 04:59 AM

I wouldn't name Ekkaia 'outer space'. In what ever cosmologie of Tolkien we look, Vai, Vaiya, Ekkaia is part of Arda. If that is so, then Ulmos lord-ship ends were Arad ends. I do not know how the right scienctific name for it is, but it is like the spcae influenced by our sun. Outer space in contrast is, in my understanding at least, the free space between the solar systems or even between the glaxies.

As an aside: The Void in Tolkiens world is also not identical to outer space, since the void is outside Eä while outer space is part of it.

If the influence zone of the sun is Ulmos domain, then we have to asked what that implies. My only idea about that is that one way to define the influence zone of a star would be to look at the solar wind and where it is no longer observable as a constant stream of particels coming from that star. One main part of that solar wind are hydrogen ions.

Respectfully
Findegil

02-01-2009, 10:25 PM	#1
Vultur Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 14	At least in the 1930s, Tolkien had the Ekkaia or Vaiya not being a real water ocean even before the downfall of Numenor. In the Ambarkanta (found in HoME IV) Vaiya is "more like to water below the Earth and more like to air above it" and ships cannot sail in it.

07-17-2009, 04:59 AM	#3
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	I wouldn't name Ekkaia 'outer space'. In what ever cosmologie of Tolkien we look, Vai, Vaiya, Ekkaia is part of Arda. If that is so, then Ulmos lord-ship ends were Arad ends. I do not know how the right scienctific name for it is, but it is like the spcae influenced by our sun. Outer space in contrast is, in my understanding at least, the free space between the solar systems or even between the glaxies. As an aside: The Void in Tolkiens world is also not identical to outer space, since the void is outside Eä while outer space is part of it. If the influence zone of the sun is Ulmos domain, then we have to asked what that implies. My only idea about that is that one way to define the influence zone of a star would be to look at the solar wind and where it is no longer observable as a constant stream of particels coming from that star. One main part of that solar wind are hydrogen ions. Respectfully Findegil