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Groin Redbeard · 02-18-2009, 04:07 PM

++Witch King of Angmar

He has that mysterious air about him. I like that in Tolkien's characters.

Eönwë · 02-18-2009, 05:12 PM

++Sauron

In the first and second ages. Absolutely brilliantly evil.

Mnemosyne · 02-18-2009, 07:01 PM

There are some who would say Sauron is the lesser of the two, for he was beaten by a girl and a dog, and actually gave her the word that bound the stones of his tower together so that she could set her boyfriend free.

In addition, his ultimate defeat was brought about by a halfling, the weakest of the Free Peoples.

During the War of the Ring, he made hasty strokes that went awry, and mostly sat upon his keister for the whole of the Third Age.

During this time his minion, the Witch-King, brought about the general decline of the Northern Kingdom and the fall of the Southern line of kings.

Against this I say that the Witch-King was beaten by a girl and a halfling, and that they had not the spiritual power of Luthien, the elf/Maia hybrid in history, nor that of Huan, the greatest of hounds, who came from Valinor itself.

Moreover, Sauron's ultimate defeat was not in fact brought about by a halfling, for Frodo was overcome in the end by the Ring his creation, and it was only grace that allowed even for the chance fall of Gollum.

During the War of the Ring Sauron did indeed make hasty strokes that went awry, he was also weakened due to the fact that most of his strength had gone into his Ring. This Ring, as mentioned before, brought one of the noblest of the most stubborn, least power-hungry people, who was fully aware of what the Ring was and what power it had, to crave that very evil he sought to destroy, so that he fell in the end and though grace saved him, yet he could not enjoy the peace he had won.

Finally, Arnor and Gondor were able to rise again through the person of the King Returned, whereas Sauron destroyed Numenor, which never rose again. And not only did he bring about Numenor's physical ruin, but also its spiritual ruin, and he was able to do so simply through guile.

Therefore,

++Sauron

is the more badbottomed of the two.

Any guy who can, reduced to spirit form, pick up and carry his Ring back from under the ocean to Middle-earth is inherently awesome.

And he was a werewolf for a while. Don't forget that.

CaptainofDespair · 02-18-2009, 07:02 PM

++The Witch-King

Sauron is boring and lazy. He sits in his tower (or maybe the spa, who knows) and sends out his 'people' to seek out his ring.

And I adore the Witch-King and his many, many cool titles. Also, Barrow-wights.

Morthoron · 02-18-2009, 08:01 PM

++Sauron

Pffft! The WitchKing got beat by a girl.

*Notices the women of the Downs glaring angrily at him*

Ummm...look over there, it's Orlando Bloom!

*Quickly runs out of the room while the women ogle*

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-19-2009, 08:01 AM

Sauron-7 The Witch King-5

A disappointed but resolute Witch King was
seen getting on a pteradactyl with Khamul
to join the Resistance to Telcontar in South
Gondor while observing "I'll always have Angmar."

Next: Ar-Pharazon vs. Glaurung

Andsigil · 02-19-2009, 08:29 AM

The dragon who destroyed Gondolin vs. the man who attacked Valinor.

This is a difficult one.

However, Glaurung's actions were done out of spite and malice, whereas Ar-Pharazon's were done out of hubris. I'll have to side with the purer evil on this one.

++Glaurung

Eönwë · 02-19-2009, 08:37 AM

++Glaurung

As he's always been one of my favourite characters in the Silm. Evil, cunning, cruel, hypnotising and much more. Not to mention the fact that he's a dragon.

02-18-2009, 04:07 PM	#1
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	++Witch King of Angmar He has that mysterious air about him. I like that in Tolkien's characters. __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

02-18-2009, 05:12 PM	#2
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	++Sauron In the first and second ages. Absolutely brilliantly evil. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

02-18-2009, 07:01 PM	#3
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	There are some who would say Sauron is the lesser of the two, for he was beaten by a girl and a dog, and actually gave her the word that bound the stones of his tower together so that she could set her boyfriend free. In addition, his ultimate defeat was brought about by a halfling, the weakest of the Free Peoples. During the War of the Ring, he made hasty strokes that went awry, and mostly sat upon his keister for the whole of the Third Age. During this time his minion, the Witch-King, brought about the general decline of the Northern Kingdom and the fall of the Southern line of kings. Against this I say that the Witch-King was beaten by a girl and a halfling, and that they had not the spiritual power of Luthien, the elf/Maia hybrid in history, nor that of Huan, the greatest of hounds, who came from Valinor itself. Moreover, Sauron's ultimate defeat was not in fact brought about by a halfling, for Frodo was overcome in the end by the Ring his creation, and it was only grace that allowed even for the chance fall of Gollum. During the War of the Ring Sauron did indeed make hasty strokes that went awry, he was also weakened due to the fact that most of his strength had gone into his Ring. This Ring, as mentioned before, brought one of the noblest of the most stubborn, least power-hungry people, who was fully aware of what the Ring was and what power it had, to crave that very evil he sought to destroy, so that he fell in the end and though grace saved him, yet he could not enjoy the peace he had won. Finally, Arnor and Gondor were able to rise again through the person of the King Returned, whereas Sauron destroyed Numenor, which never rose again. And not only did he bring about Numenor's physical ruin, but also its spiritual ruin, and he was able to do so simply through guile. Therefore, ++Sauron is the more badbottomed of the two. Any guy who can, reduced to spirit form, pick up and carry his Ring back from under the ocean to Middle-earth is inherently awesome. And he was a werewolf for a while. Don't forget that. __________________ Got corsets?

02-18-2009, 08:01 PM	#5
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,515	++Sauron Pffft! The WitchKing got beat by a girl. Notices the women of the Downs glaring angrily at him Ummm...look over there, it's Orlando Bloom! Quickly runs out of the room while the women ogle __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

02-19-2009, 08:01 AM	#6
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Sauron-7 The Witch King-5 A disappointed but resolute Witch King was seen getting on a pteradactyl with Khamul to join the Resistance to Telcontar in South Gondor while observing "I'll always have Angmar." Next: Ar-Pharazon vs. Glaurung __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.' Last edited by Tuor in Gondolin; 02-19-2009 at 08:05 AM.

02-18-2009, 07:02 PM	#4
CaptainofDespair Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 413	++The Witch-King Sauron is boring and lazy. He sits in his tower (or maybe the spa, who knows) and sends out his 'people' to seek out his ring. And I adore the Witch-King and his many, many cool titles. Also, Barrow-wights.

02-19-2009, 08:29 AM	#7
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 733	The dragon who destroyed Gondolin vs. the man who attacked Valinor. This is a difficult one. However, Glaurung's actions were done out of spite and malice, whereas Ar-Pharazon's were done out of hubris. I'll have to side with the purer evil on this one. ++Glaurung __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.

02-19-2009, 08:37 AM	#8
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	++Glaurung As he's always been one of my favourite characters in the Silm. Evil, cunning, cruel, hypnotising and much more. Not to mention the fact that he's a dragon. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place