Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

the phantom · 02-21-2009, 04:08 PM

Good to see you again Wilwa. I remember that it was you who hosted one of the best Werewolf games ever.

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Originally Posted by Kya

It doesn't count if you are jumping up and down, waving your arms about

Oh, right.

*tries to hold perfectly still*

Mnemosyne · 02-21-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

there is absolutely no point in telling people what they should or should not focus on, especially before they've even started focusing on it.

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Originally Posted by the phantom

how likely is it that someone will be strongly suspected of looking like the Black Queen? That piece is on a team of its own. There will be no sort of teamwork to look for. I imagine the WereBear will be indistinguishable from a pawn. So how productive is it to even look for him?

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Originally Posted by sally

Although we need to kill the Black Queen post haste.

Maybe I misread the quotes above, but people already have started focusing. My post was supposed to be in response to that.

And to (publicly, at least) inform people of how I was going to try to focus myself.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 02-21-2009, 04:37 PM

I have to peace out, so here's my early vote:

eenie meenie miny

++Hansy

Because I'm not in nearly a good enough mood to be nice to newbies for the sheer sake of it, and Nog has a way of saying interesting things on Day One.

Durelin · 02-21-2009, 04:39 PM

I'm afraid I have a party to go to, so I will be posting and running here... I will be around more after toDay, promise. Unless something goes terribly wrong. I'm a realist.

And of course Han shot first - I don't get why the heck it matters. All it proves is that he's quicker to the draw and Greedo isn't that horrible of a shot.

Anyway...there's already a few people I'd like to get rid of just for the sake of being rid of them, but part of my beef with werewolf is when people simply play favorites...so I'm going to go for as random as possible here.

++Sally

Just looking at who has posted, anyway, I picked out her on some sort of gut-reaction thing. The typical excuse. It's like pleading the 5th...my stomach told me to do it!

Really I quite enjoy your presence, my dear, but...

See you all tomorrow...quite sorry, I really will have more time (if y'all will let me...) after this. Today I happen to have basically none.

Edit: Fea, I have a feeling you and I will be getting along better in this game...I came so close to voting one of the newbies for the sake of it...hmm, perhaps that means you are evil this time (though I didn't actuallly think you were at least by the end of that fateful day for me...but I'll shush, no relevance here).

Eönwë · 02-21-2009, 04:55 PM

Well.... no-one posted anything and then 2 posts come at once. They don't really say much (or help me choose), so I'll just go for a semi-random vote:

++Gwath

Because his 2 posts said nothing at all relevant.

the phantom · 02-21-2009, 05:07 PM

The vote-

Kath ++Nerwy
Fea ++Hansy
D'lin ++Sally
Steve ++Gwathy

the phantom · 02-21-2009, 05:08 PM

I'm leaving soon for an evening activity, but I shall be around after that up until the deadline.

Rikae · 02-21-2009, 05:13 PM

Ditto what tp said.

I'm leaning toward voting for Nerwen, Izzy, or Steve. The first for reasons mentioned before, the second for overly safe, insubstantial posting, or the thir for a more complex set of wolvish behaviors I'll attempt to explain on my return, if I'm not too tired.

wilwarin538 · 03-01-2009, 09:45 AM

Alright ladies (and gentleman), I'm here, and wow...

I'm going to go ahead and believe Brinniel, since the beginning I've trusted both her and Rikae, but I trusted Brinn more. Aswell, her explanation as the Queen role just seems to make more sense, Rikae's was almost too safe, yes it did follow the rules of real chess (with Queen having the same role as both the Rook and the Bishop), but Shasta hasn't followed chess roles for any other piece, so why would he change it just for the Queen?

Regarding everyone else, I'll believe that Rikae and Izzy could be our last two baddies, and if everyone agrees to vote for one of them, I definitely would as well.

So that would make either phantom or Mnemo our cobbler, I have suspected Mnemo since like Day 1, so I'm thinking it could be him. I have reread phantom's posts about 54 times and I'm still leaning towards thinking him innocent, and I really truely hope I do not regret that.

So I will be around pretty consistently all day. You should find far more participation from me then from the last few days.

Rikae · 03-01-2009, 11:44 AM

Honestly, Shasta. A good wizard and no evil wizard. We never had a chance.

I'm completely disgusted.

++Rikae

Go ahead and lynch me asap, I want no part in this absurd excuse for a werewolf game.

wilwarin538 · 03-01-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Honestly, Shasta. A good wizard and no evil wizard. We never had a chance.

I'm completely disgusted.

++Rikae

Go ahead and lynch me asap, I want no part in this absurd excuse for a werewolf game.

Well, there's our cobbler if you ask me, I'm definitely not planning to go along with that vote.

Mnemosyne · 03-01-2009, 11:52 AM

Okay, all three of our unknowns have shown up and believed Brinn. Someone is lying, and it ain't me.

wilwa, Mnemosyne was the mother of the nine muses. I am not a guy.

Let's focus on the people we know are evil first, eh?

Mnemosyne · 03-01-2009, 11:58 AM

Also, wilwa, if you're right and that self-vote means Rikae's the cobbler (which I by no means believe), then that means phantom's completely innocent.

Which means you, my dear, are our last wolf.

Just putting that out there.

Rikae · 03-01-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Also, wilwa, if you're right and that self-vote means Rikae's the cobbler (which I by no means believe), then that means phantom's completely innocent.

Which means you, my dear, are our last wolf.

Just putting that out there.

ROFLMAO.

Nice one, Mnemi.

Rikae · 03-01-2009, 12:06 PM

Brinn, how exactly can you be sure you didn't give double vote power to an evil piece? Is that part of the ability - logical double vote power? I suppose we're all entitled to know the details, eh (sorry if I missed something).

Because if you can't be sure - well, hey. Half this village is on my side.

Mnemosyne · 03-01-2009, 12:11 PM

Also, I'd like to point out that while Rikae herself may be royally screwed, that by no means means that the wolves have lost.

If whoever dies toDay is the cobbler, then the outcome of the game fully depends on toNight's dynamics. What if the wolves kill whoever was given the Power of Three? Then we're back to chance. Or what if they kill Brinn and she scried a baddie who then claims to be the new Ranger?

This game may be heavily swung in the innocents' favor (at last!), but it by no means is a done deal. I may be responding to you, Rikae, because I have nothing else better to do, but someone evil is still lying low and hoping no one picks up on him/her.

wilwarin538 · 03-01-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Also, wilwa, if you're right and that self-vote means Rikae's the cobbler (which I by no means believe), then that means phantom's completely innocent.

Which means you, my dear, are our last wolf.

Just putting that out there.

Hey, it makes either you or I the last wolf, and I know which one I am.

But since everyone is more sure of Izzy, I am probably going to vote for her later.

Mnemosyne · 03-01-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Hey, it makes either you or I the last wolf, and I know which one I am.

But since everyone is more sure of Izzy, I am probably going to vote for her later.

Well, yes, but these past few days whenever I've done number analyses I've always included myself as a known innocent.

Everyone is more sure of Izzy? How do you mean? Everyone is equally sure that Izzy and Rikae are evil! Self-voting, especially when you know you're done for, does not a cobbler make.

Brinniel · 03-01-2009, 12:30 PM

Hmm...I wouldn't assume anything from Rikae's vote. She's infamous for self-voting, regardless of her role.

If anything my guess would be that phantom is our cobbler, mostly for his interactions with Fea. I know those two can read each other well and I have a hard time believing tp could be so wrong about her. Plus, they seemed to be hinting at each other at the beginning of Day 1. If anything, I hope tp is the cobbler because then it'd mean our known baddies are wolves.

I was thinking last night, if Rikae or Izzy is the cobbler, it'd be better to get the cobbler first. Because then we'd know for sure toMorrow we'd be lynching a wolf. If we lynched the wolf toDay then a cobbler toMorrow, then it's over for us. Unless I'm still alive toMorrow to make my vote power picks for the following Night.

Looking back at the possibilities:

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Originally Posted by Mnemo

1). She was the Black Pawn and guessed lucky.

Pros for this argument: holy cow, this wreaks havoc, which is a cobbler's duty!

Cons: She guessed lucky. Seriously?

2). She was the Black Knight and was pushing her mate Izzy under the bus.

Pros: If she pulled off an Izzy-lynch, presumably everyone would trust her and lynch whoever counterrevealed.

Cons: Being down a Wolf with a Bear still in play? Ouch!

3). She was the Black Knight and was pushing the Black Pawn under the bus.

Pros: Well, that's a good use of a cobbler!

Cons: She couldn't have known Izzy was the cobbler, only a known innocent. So we'd have clued onto her pretty quick, and this without us knowing what exactly the WQ could do!

1. If Rikae is the cobbler, then she somehow had to be convinced that Izzy was a White piece of some sort because there's no reason to sacrifice her if she could be evil. Of course, if this was so, then her judgment was very off. Putting Izzy on the lynching block would be a risky move for a cobbler, but then again Rikae likes to take risks and her behaviour is cobblerish (though she also acts cobblerish as a wolf and sometimes even as an ordo).

2. It's really funny, looking back through the Days, I spotted this from Mirandir:

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Rikae - Vote analysis of last night, looked at Izzy and found her guilty. Could be a wolf throwing another wolf under the bus to cast suspicion off herself.

Interesting that she spotted that as a possibility from Day 2. It's weird that Rikae would want to sacrifice Izzy in the game, but then again it's Rikae. And the way she sets up her suspicions, it does seem a bit pre-planned. While cobblers have made fake reveals, I've noticed that it tends to be more often that a wolf does it. If Izzy really is the Black Bishop, it would've been a perfect bluff, and they could've gotten away with it.

3. Mnemo makes a good point that the Bishop wouldn't be able to recognise the Black Pawn through a dream. So either Rikae would've made a lucky guess, or Izzy somehow hinted to the wolves that she's the cobbler. Or perhaps Rikae didn't think Izzy was necessarily the cobbler and decided to throw her under the bus regardless of her role. Though quite honestly, Izzy doesn't look very cobblerish to me.

So yeah, I still find Option 2 most likely because it makes the most sense and would be quite typical of Rikae. And I certainly hope I'm right.

EDIT: X-posted with 10+ (apparently I'm really slow)

Rikae · 03-01-2009, 12:01 PM

Izzy, Phantom, I'm serious - go ahead and follow my vote. With the double-vote power thing there's no way to win. I can't believe Shasta gave Brinn all those powers - it's ridiculous. Didn't I say we should kill her? Bah.

Nice job playing along yesterDay, though. I was so pleased that you caught on to my plan.

Mnemosyne · 03-01-2009, 12:03 PM

Oho, the traditional "I've been proven evil and now I'm going to mess with your minds a little bit!" segment.

...What, no song and dance routine, Rikae?

wilwarin538 · 03-01-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Izzy, Phantom, I'm serious - go ahead and follow my vote. With the double-vote power thing there's no way to win. I can't believe Shasta gave Brinn all those powers - it's ridiculous. Didn't I say we should kill her? Bah.

Nice job playing along yesterDay, though. I was so pleased that you caught on to my plan.

Besides, what wolf reveals her other wolf, no matter how much it looks like they'll lose? Which it seems it's what she's doing here. "Didn't I say we should kill her?" , no, I'm having a hard time believing she's an actual wolf.

Rikae · 03-01-2009, 12:42 PM

I am the black bishop, actually. If you go back over my posts, you'll see that I left hints about my dreams in my lists. In one I listed them with the same "what I see" phrase, in another, I put "..." before my mentions of them.

Not to mention that, since I dream at the end of the Night, I left hints about the role of the person I dreamed in my first post of each Day for my buddies to see.

So there you go. No tricks, you can trust me.

02-21-2009, 04:37 PM	#3
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	I have to peace out, so here's my early vote: eenie meenie miny ++Hansy Because I'm not in nearly a good enough mood to be nice to newbies for the sheer sake of it, and Nog has a way of saying interesting things on Day One. __________________ peace

02-21-2009, 04:39 PM	#4
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	I'm afraid I have a party to go to, so I will be posting and running here... I will be around more after toDay, promise. Unless something goes terribly wrong. I'm a realist. And of course Han shot first - I don't get why the heck it matters. All it proves is that he's quicker to the draw and Greedo isn't that horrible of a shot. Anyway...there's already a few people I'd like to get rid of just for the sake of being rid of them, but part of my beef with werewolf is when people simply play favorites...so I'm going to go for as random as possible here. ++Sally Just looking at who has posted, anyway, I picked out her on some sort of gut-reaction thing. The typical excuse. It's like pleading the 5th...my stomach told me to do it! Really I quite enjoy your presence, my dear, but... See you all tomorrow...quite sorry, I really will have more time (if y'all will let me...) after this. Today I happen to have basically none. Edit: Fea, I have a feeling you and I will be getting along better in this game...I came so close to voting one of the newbies for the sake of it...hmm, perhaps that means you are evil this time (though I didn't actuallly think you were at least by the end of that fateful day for me...but I'll shush, no relevance here). Last edited by Durelin; 02-21-2009 at 04:42 PM.

02-21-2009, 04:55 PM	#5
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Well.... no-one posted anything and then 2 posts come at once. They don't really say much (or help me choose), so I'll just go for a semi-random vote: ++Gwath Because his 2 posts said nothing at all relevant. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

02-21-2009, 05:07 PM	#6
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	The vote- Kath ++Nerwy Fea ++Hansy D'lin ++Sally Steve ++Gwathy __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

02-21-2009, 05:08 PM	#7
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I'm leaving soon for an evening activity, but I shall be around after that up until the deadline. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

02-21-2009, 05:13 PM	#8
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Ditto what tp said. I'm leaning toward voting for Nerwen, Izzy, or Steve. The first for reasons mentioned before, the second for overly safe, insubstantial posting, or the thir for a more complex set of wolvish behaviors I'll attempt to explain on my return, if I'm not too tired.

03-01-2009, 09:45 AM	#9
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	Alright ladies (and gentleman), I'm here, and wow... I'm going to go ahead and believe Brinniel, since the beginning I've trusted both her and Rikae, but I trusted Brinn more. Aswell, her explanation as the Queen role just seems to make more sense, Rikae's was almost too safe, yes it did follow the rules of real chess (with Queen having the same role as both the Rook and the Bishop), but Shasta hasn't followed chess roles for any other piece, so why would he change it just for the Queen? Regarding everyone else, I'll believe that Rikae and Izzy could be our last two baddies, and if everyone agrees to vote for one of them, I definitely would as well. So that would make either phantom or Mnemo our cobbler, I have suspected Mnemo since like Day 1, so I'm thinking it could be him. I have reread phantom's posts about 54 times and I'm still leaning towards thinking him innocent, and I really truely hope I do not regret that. So I will be around pretty consistently all day. You should find far more participation from me then from the last few days. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

03-01-2009, 11:44 AM	#10
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Honestly, Shasta. A good wizard and no evil wizard. We never had a chance. I'm completely disgusted. ++Rikae Go ahead and lynch me asap, I want no part in this absurd excuse for a werewolf game.

03-01-2009, 11:52 AM	#12
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Okay, all three of our unknowns have shown up and believed Brinn. Someone is lying, and it ain't me. wilwa, Mnemosyne was the mother of the nine muses. I am not a guy. Let's focus on the people we know are evil first, eh? __________________ Got corsets?

03-01-2009, 11:58 AM	#13
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Also, wilwa, if you're right and that self-vote means Rikae's the cobbler (which I by no means believe), then that means phantom's completely innocent. Which means you, my dear, are our last wolf. Just putting that out there. __________________ Got corsets?

03-01-2009, 12:06 PM	#15
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Brinn, how exactly can you be sure you didn't give double vote power to an evil piece? Is that part of the ability - logical double vote power? I suppose we're all entitled to know the details, eh (sorry if I missed something). Because if you can't be sure - well, hey. Half this village is on my side.

03-01-2009, 12:11 PM	#16
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Also, I'd like to point out that while Rikae herself may be royally screwed, that by no means means that the wolves have lost. If whoever dies toDay is the cobbler, then the outcome of the game fully depends on toNight's dynamics. What if the wolves kill whoever was given the Power of Three? Then we're back to chance. Or what if they kill Brinn and she scried a baddie who then claims to be the new Ranger? This game may be heavily swung in the innocents' favor (at last!), but it by no means is a done deal. I may be responding to you, Rikae, because I have nothing else better to do, but someone evil is still lying low and hoping no one picks up on him/her. __________________ Got corsets?

03-01-2009, 12:01 PM	#20
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Izzy, Phantom, I'm serious - go ahead and follow my vote. With the double-vote power thing there's no way to win. I can't believe Shasta gave Brinn all those powers - it's ridiculous. Didn't I say we should kill her? Bah. Nice job playing along yesterDay, though. I was so pleased that you caught on to my plan.

03-01-2009, 12:03 PM	#21
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Oho, the traditional "I've been proven evil and now I'm going to mess with your minds a little bit!" segment. ...What, no song and dance routine, Rikae? __________________ Got corsets?

03-01-2009, 12:42 PM	#23
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	I am the black bishop, actually. If you go back over my posts, you'll see that I left hints about my dreams in my lists. In one I listed them with the same "what I see" phrase, in another, I put "..." before my mentions of them. Not to mention that, since I dream at the end of the Night, I left hints about the role of the person I dreamed in my first post of each Day for my buddies to see. So there you go. No tricks, you can trust me.