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Groin Redbeard · 02-22-2009, 05:53 PM

Grima is a corrupting snake who let his master work through him; although, I am sure that he is not without his talents of corruption.

On the other hand, Shagrat was sharp to grasp the situation around him and quick to react to the circumstances. Shagrat shows more independency than Grima.

++Shagy Rat

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-22-2009, 07:41 PM

Shagrat (or his chum Gorbag) could have made for one of the
Professor's semi-throwaway stories (no doubt uncovered
in a philological investigation into the origin of orcish) or
perhaps as part of a "Concerning Orcs" section at the end of
LOTR. Perhaps something like the bit on the Druedain in
Unfinished Tales.

Then again one can imagine a chronicler in Gondor penning
a revisionist "Grima's Tale" with a sympathetic backstory
of unrequited love, working to save Rohan from inevitable
destruction, etc.

Hmm. + + Shagrat. Who would have made mincemeat of
The Great Goblin if he had been able to get back to
freelance gangsterism (just like the good old days with
Gorbag).

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-23-2009, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

On the other hand, Shagrat was sharp to grasp the situation around him and quick to react to the circumstances. Shagrat shows more independency than Grima.

Well, interesting, isn't it? He was not "independant" in the sense of duty: he remained faithful to the orders from above. However, I daresay that was exactly what showed his, hmm, virtue (if you can find something like that with an Orc... but apparently, you can)? I mean: he was able to overcome his selfish greed (which he certainly had like a good Orc) and he was able to decide for himself, independantly indeed, to follow his duties, even if it meant facing Gorbag and a scary Great Elven Warrior. Hey, how nice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuor in Gondolin

Shagrat (or his chum Gorbag) could have made for one of the
Professor's semi-throwaway stories (no doubt uncovered
in a philological investigation into the origin of orcish) or
perhaps as part of a "Concerning Orcs" section at the end of
LOTR. Perhaps something like the bit on the Druedain in
Unfinished Tales.

Then again one can imagine a chronicler in Gondor penning
a revisionist "Grima's Tale" with a sympathetic backstory
of unrequited love, working to save Rohan from inevitable
destruction, etc.

Aah yes, indeed

(I like both the ideas.)

Hmm, so what... I might as well flip a coin.

We need some more Orcs.

++Shagrat

Andsigil · 02-23-2009, 05:48 AM

I hate quislings with an undying passion, so...

++Wormtongue

Macalaure · 02-23-2009, 01:30 PM

++Gríma

Nasty traitor wins over mere brute.

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-23-2009, 01:51 PM

In a close contest Wormy
sneaks his way past the noble Shagrat.

Grima Wormtongue-4 Shagrat-3

Next: Last chance for an orcsee to advance:
Morgoth Bauglir vs. Azog

Morthoron · 02-23-2009, 07:02 PM

No contest...

++Melkor

02-22-2009, 05:53 PM	#1
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	Grima is a corrupting snake who let his master work through him; although, I am sure that he is not without his talents of corruption. On the other hand, Shagrat was sharp to grasp the situation around him and quick to react to the circumstances. Shagrat shows more independency than Grima. ++Shagy Rat __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

02-22-2009, 07:41 PM	#2
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Shagrat (or his chum Gorbag) could have made for one of the Professor's semi-throwaway stories (no doubt uncovered in a philological investigation into the origin of orcish) or perhaps as part of a "Concerning Orcs" section at the end of LOTR. Perhaps something like the bit on the Druedain in Unfinished Tales. Then again one can imagine a chronicler in Gondor penning a revisionist "Grima's Tale" with a sympathetic backstory of unrequited love, working to save Rohan from inevitable destruction, etc. Hmm. + + Shagrat. Who would have made mincemeat of The Great Goblin if he had been able to get back to freelance gangsterism (just like the good old days with Gorbag). __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

02-23-2009, 05:48 AM	#4
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 733	I hate quislings with an undying passion, so... ++Wormtongue __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.

02-23-2009, 01:51 PM	#6
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	In a close contest Wormy sneaks his way past the noble Shagrat. Grima Wormtongue-4 Shagrat-3 Next: Last chance for an orcsee to advance: Morgoth Bauglir vs. Azog __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.' Last edited by Tuor in Gondolin; 02-23-2009 at 08:49 PM.

02-23-2009, 07:02 PM	#7
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,515	No contest... ++Melkor __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

02-23-2009, 01:30 PM	#5
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	++Gríma Nasty traitor wins over mere brute.