If Smeagol had not died...?

[Bêthberry]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Well, all right, let me formulate it in different words: it's lack of optimism. Or, lack of hope (this estel that works so strongly in Tolkien's works) for Gollum, simply, not believing that it would be possible for him to get rid of his "addiction" to the Ring, despite all his natural dispositions (or the habit, the "addiction" he had developed). I think that is certainly out of place, not to believe that there was hope for Gollum. (Even Gandalf thinks that.)

Um, not a lack of hope so much as a sombre, sobre recognition of just how much hope it would take. Gollem would certainly need his road to Damascus. Gandalf certainly shows mercy to Gollem and pity. But I don't think that Gandalf specifically believes there is hope for the possibility of repentance for Gollem. He counsels against serving death out of judgement. His faith is that he senses Gollem may be connected with the destruction of the Ring--and that Gollem's "premature" death, if you will, would harm that. There's a difference.

Originally Posted by Gandalf, The Shadow of the Past

For even the very wise cannot see all ends.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

Um, not a lack of hope so much as a sombre, sobre recognition of just how much hope it would take. Gollem would certainly need his road to Damascus. Gandalf certainly shows mercy to Gollem and pity. But I don't think that Gandalf specifically believes there is hope for the possibility of repentance for Gollem. He counsels against serving death out of judgement. His faith is that he senses Gollem may be connected with the destruction of the Ring--and that Gollem's "premature" death, if you will, would harm that. There's a difference.

Yes, I know that, but still, I think still there is this possibility hanging somewhere in the air that it would have been possible for him to recover.

As for what you said, now Gollum's road to Damascus, now that would be something impressive indeed (Though one wonders how much his meeting with Frodo might not have been *almost* something of that sort for him.)

[Bêthberry]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Yes, I know that, but still, I think still there is this possibility hanging somewhere in the air that it would have been possible for him to recover.

As for what you said, now Gollum's road to Damascus, now that would be something impressive indeed (Though one wonders how much his meeting with Frodo might not have been *almost* something of that sort for him.)

Perhaps, having restored Saruman to the wise ways of the White Council in a previous WW game, you can now contemplate Gollem recovering in a WW game.