Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Durelin]

So now you're kinda basing all your arguments against me on the assumption that I am a wolf. But really I guess that's just how this game works.

Originally Posted by Fea

It absolutely reeks of trying to do away with players that we all now know are innocent.

We do? And as this implies - we did? The baddies, the woles in particular, are the ones with the most information on innocents, ya know.

I don't really think you're a baddie. Not really. I'm hardly an important lynch. I might be/seem like an easy lynch at this point, though, I don't know.

Anyway. Your argument has been made, my somewhat of a (rash at times) counter-argument has been made. So let's move on. There are more people left than it feels like there are. You know what I mean?

wilwa's very under-the-radar. Rikae's been rather calm this game (though she's also just been busy)...should we be worried? I kinda want Rikae to be the Black Queen.

Izzy still hasn't managed to get lynched.

Brinniel, Mnemo...they're those types that people keep saying "wellll, I'm worried about them, but..." and that has never come to anything. They both feel rather innocent to me, but I do tend to be wrong.

Sally and phantom need to stop acting like wizardy cobblery types. Though I expect one of them really is our cobbler. I think phantom, and sally is just sally but eh, who cares. Basically I'll probably be completely ignoring them both.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Durelin

The baddies, the woles in particular, are the ones with the most information on innocents, ya know.

Oh piffle to you.

On a serious note, I just remembered that the cobbler is dreamed as innocent. So even though I'm convinced Kath dreamed of who Brinn said she did, I forgot the problem that they aren't actually known good guys. They're more like known not-wolves. Which is still better than nothing, but I need to be more careful about assumptions. My bad, and I apologize in general for that memory lapse.

I'll take a closer look at others later, but in case it's not obvious, I certainly have more opinions than I'm letting on. I just don't like looking wrong, so I wait until I'm reasonably certain about things to say them.

I mean, in all honesty I might be wrong about Durelin. I don't think I am, but I could be. It wouldn't be the first time I whole-heartedly went after somebody who wasn't the role I thought they were.

[Mnemosyne]

I'm totally with Brinn about how come Fea hasn't been suspected since Day One?

And now we're having a lovely chat about that (whereas before it was always just phantom and sally), which probably could get a wolf but might just end up distracting those of us who are white players from looking at others.

Izzy, what I meant by "three known innocents" was that if you are an innocent player, and we are all reasonably assured that phantom and sally are innocents of some sort, you know that those three players (including yourself) are innocent. Which narrows down the lynch opportunities, on the white side's favor.

Fea, if Dury!wolf was so darn convinced that Kath was the seer and her seer hints were correct, then why didn't Kath get killed earlier?

And for the record, I had no idea that Kath was the seer. Heck, I even voted for her.

wilwa, dear, normally I wouldn't complain if you're voting me, but since this is endgame (where everything stands on the point of a knife) that's a bad move to make for the game's sake. Could we please lynch at least one black player before this is done?

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, so I have an updated list. Hopefully it will tell the right people what I want it to tell them. *shifty eyes* And for the record, I'll explain all of this at some point. Now's just not that point, so lay off me and try to catch a baddie. I'm not worth the innocents getting all worked up over.

And now a list


Innocent
Sally
Phantom

Leaning Innocent
Izzy

No Bloody Clue Currently
Willa
Mnemo
Fea

Leaning Guilty
Brinn
Durie

Should have known
Rikae

[Isabellkya]

While I understand Brin's conclusions on the suspected dream targets of Kath. I don't see how that points to them as known innocents. Sure, it will be a higher probability that they were and are. But I don't recall Kath saying outright whom she dreamed of, and what the results were.
We indeed still have the Cobbler amongst us - though at this point I think death is the only certainty of anything.


X'd with Mnemosyne and Sally. Fixed punctuation as well.

[Mithalwen]

Is a grey queen.... I like....

[Mnemosyne]

...Except that I had come to the same conclusions independently. But this doesn't rule out one of those two as cobblers!

[satansaloser2005]

Blah. I hate being so indecisive. YesterDay I thought one thing, last Night another, and now I've changed my mind again. This is ridiculous.


I'm going to go read through the thread and see what I can see. Maybe look at voting records for some of the players who are still living. Back soon.


(And Mnemo? Dude, we gotta stop talking to Mith and get to work at some point. I'm just sayin'.)

[Rikae]

Well, the black bishop seems to have found out what I am, so I might as well reveal.

I'm the white queen. I can take the role of either a seer or a hunter. ToNight I'll be hunting Izzy, who I know can't protect herself. Sally, on the other hand, obviously can. (I don't think she could be the cobbler, unless Izzy tipped her off by some ingenious system of hints).

Unfortunatly, I seem to have dreamed one of the same people as Kath did. Well, congratulations, sonny, you were dreamed by two gifteds this time (or three, if Sally was telling the truth!)

Wilwa I dreamed her on Night 1, simply based on the fact that she was an experienced player I didn't know. Last night I dreamed of Steve, unfortunately. Izzy was night 2 and tp night 3.

++Sally

EDIT: Ooops, I mean "Wilwa is an ordo, I dreamed her on Night 1"

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

++Sally

Incorrect.


Okay, that brings my information right up to where it needs to be.


So, to be clear, you say that Izzy is a KI as well? Ingenious.

I had you and Izzy backwards, but still. I'm on your side, dear, and that's all I'll say. Look at my last list and try to figure out why you're in the category you are.

I need to think. Back in about five minutes.


EDIT: I'm sorry. I meant Willa, not Izzy. I read your post correctly and then typed the wrong name. I'm just retarded. Lol.

[satansaloser2005]

My last post turned out backwards. It's dark in here so I wrote down a bunch of stuff and then read it wrong.


Here's what we know. Repeat, KNOW. Deal with it.

Rikae: White Queen
Sally: Another White Piece (still not saying, at least for now)
Phantom: White Pawn
Willa: White Pawn
Izzy: Looked over her posts again and was actually confused, but didn't want to completely 180 and give myself away. Only one player understands what I mean by this statement and they're dead, so I'm not explaining. Now with the White Queen's opinion supporting my own, I'll come out and say let's lynch her; that's all the proof I need.

Here's what I think. Repeat, THINK. This is fallible, obviously.

Durie: Still leaning guilty.
Mnemo: Leaning guilty-ish, but having trouble with her. Rubbish.
Fea: Thinking innocent, but yeah. Dude, it's Fea.
Brinn: I'm saying what I've said all along. That is all.

[Isabellkya]

I just had a thought..

I think I would laugh if phantom turned out to be the Cobbler and Fea turned out to be the BQ. Either it would be terribly perceptive/intuitive of phantom to save her on Day one.. or just out of habit, and thus luck.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

*glares*

You guys are being intentionally confusing, and I dislike being confused. It gets my facade dirty.

[satansaloser2005]

Here's a list, which I will fill in as it comes along. I know, the only thing worse than beating a dead horse is betting on it, but still.

If Rikae's being truthful
Durie: ?
Fea: ?
Izzy: Black Bishop
Phantom: Pawn of some color
Brinn: ?
Sally: White piece
Willa: Pawn of some color
Rikae: White Queen
Mnemo: ?


If Rikae's lying
Durie: ?
Fea: ?
Izzy: ?
Phantom: Pawn of some color
Brinn: ?
Sally: White piece
Willa: ?
Rikae: Black Queen. Or Black Knight. Either's possible.
Mnemo: ?

That means that, once the Black Queen finds the Black Knight (which she may have already done, as Rikae implied earlier) the Knight is either dead toNight or toMorrow, no matter how the Rikae issue pans out. And even if the Queen doesn't kill them right away, they can only protect themself once so as soon as the Queen decides to kill them they're dead.



I hope Rikae's telling the truth, that's all I know.

I was thinking, over thinking
cause there's just too many scenarios to analayze
Look in my eyes 'cause you're my dream please come true

Now I miss Kath and Nerwen. Such lovely girls.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Sally

I hope Rikae's telling the truth, that's all I know.

You hope she's telling the truth?!

But she said that you should be lynched, you nutball!

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Sally

You know what I am implying as my role. Read back.

Yes, I friggin know what you're implying, but the rules don't say anything about it, so I'm not going to assume anything.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Yes, I friggin know what you're implying, but the rules don't say anything about it, so I'm not going to assume anything.

Good. I thought so, but everything's going to Senior Seminar in a handbasket. Sorry, I'm just getting so darn impatient.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

You hope she's telling the truth?!

But she said that you should be lynched, you nutball!

I mean about her role, silly.

If she's the Queen, she's a Queen who's about to make a grave mistake. For the love of Orion, Rikae, leave me be and catch a baddie!


If she's evil, she's playing brilliantly and it's her goal to get me lynched anyway. But if she's evil and she gets me lynched....well, yeah. I'm gonna laugh. I'll probably cry too, but I'll giggle in between sobs.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I mean about her role, silly.

If she's the Queen, she's a Queen who's about to make a grave mistake. For the love of Orion, Rikae, leave me be and catch a baddie!

Um, the obvious question then would be:
How do you explain having a role that isn't supposed to exist?

If she's evil, she's playing brilliantly and it's her goal to get me lynched anyway. But if she's evil and she gets me lynched....well, yeah. I'm gonna laugh. I'll probably cry too, but I'll giggle in between sobs.

And if I'm good, and you're not lying, the wolves will laugh...