Tapestry of Dreams, Part 2 Discussion - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

littlemanpoet · 03-03-2009, 05:56 AM

Just to let you know - I've been a little at a loss concerning Mithrellas, so I've been reading page 4 over again - and then page 5 - to get a sense of what's been happening with her and others. So I'm not gone, just rekindling.

littlemanpoet · 03-05-2009, 05:54 AM

I've rediscovered a couple of loose threads to pick up and tie back into the plot:

1. Bergil promised to be Indil's guardian and take her back to Minas Tirith. That serves as an interesting point of contention/conflict vis a vie Raefindan and Mithrellas being ready to adopt Indil as their child.

2. The ghosts of Indil's parents have been said to also be in this vale.

This is not a rediscovered point, but a new idea: Raefindan places Tharonwe in the alternate dell so that he can face his freed captive and she face her former captor - how might that affect Amroth's quest???

mark12_30 · 03-06-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

I've rediscovered a couple of loose threads to pick up and tie back into the plot:

1. Bergil promised to be Indil's guardian and take her back to Minas Tirith. That serves as an interesting point of contention/conflict vis a vie Raefindan and Mithrellas being ready to adopt Indil as their child.

2. The ghosts of Indil's parents have been said to also be in this vale.

This is not a rediscovered point, but a new idea: Raefindan places Tharonwe in the alternate dell so that he can face his freed captive and she face her former captor - how might that affect Amroth's quest???

Good observations-- both Bergil and Indil's parents had been niggling at the back of my mind, but nevertheless neglected.

Tell me more about Raefindan, Tharonwe, and "the alternate dell".

She's not quite free yet-- she's a child again, but not yet a free woman. It remains for her to find that one certain song, and the only one who truly remembers it is Amroth. She has to decide to investigate him first, and trust him.

littlemanpoet · 03-06-2009, 10:43 AM

Okay, the Tharonwë in the "dell" thing runs in my mind like this.

Raefindan is looking at Tharonwé not only as enemy to be defeated but as fallen Elf who could repent and be restored. Not saying that will necessarily happen - that's just how Roy thinks about it. So he has motivation to make Tharonwë face the one person his life has been obssessed with for centuries. The obvious problem is that this may not be good for Nimrodel, and may not be good for Tharonwë/Maegeleb.

But it might be good for both. It's somewhat analagous to the Garden of Eden except that Eve was not separated from Adam for centuries; however there is the triangular relationship going on.

So let's say that Thar. is sent there by Rae. What does he see? He sees Nimrodel as the beautiful young maiden he had fallen for in the first place. She also sees Amroth reaching out to her. Naturally, he will fall for her again and try to win her in place of Amroth. Her reaction could go a few different ways: she could reject Thar and turn to Amroth. Or she could reject Amroth and turn to Thar. Or reject both and turn into herself.

However, the three are not alone in the dell. Indil/Angela is there. Aeron and Gwyll are there. Jorje is there. Who they know these three to be will affect the outcome.

Can Thar repent? Maybe, maybe not. But Rae sees no other way for it to be a possibility. Or at least, I don't.

There may be other dimensions to this that I haven't thought of, so what do you think?

mark12_30 · 03-09-2009, 09:19 AM

Hmmm. Maybe Tharonwe's innate eeerminess is what drives Nimrodel to one last, desperate plunge into the mind of the blacksmith, to see if there is a stream-song there. And she discovers a golden king.

Could work.

Where's alak? We need something from Erebemlin.

mark12_30 · 03-23-2009, 06:29 PM

Lmp, I don't know where you are going necessarily but it looks good. What do you need from me? Or from Nimrodel?

And where is aaaalaaaaak?

littlemanpoet · 03-24-2009, 06:15 PM

I need you to post for Nimrodel and others, they're initial reactions to Maegeleb showing up. I imagine the renewal effect will work upon his appearance as well, and he will begin to appear younger than he now is also.

Feel free to carry on action and interaction as you wish, and then I'll be happy to take it up again.

03-06-2009, 10:43 AM	#4
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Okay, the Tharonwë in the "dell" thing runs in my mind like this. Raefindan is looking at Tharonwé not only as enemy to be defeated but as fallen Elf who could repent and be restored. Not saying that will necessarily happen - that's just how Roy thinks about it. So he has motivation to make Tharonwë face the one person his life has been obssessed with for centuries. The obvious problem is that this may not be good for Nimrodel, and may not be good for Tharonwë/Maegeleb. But it might be good for both. It's somewhat analagous to the Garden of Eden except that Eve was not separated from Adam for centuries; however there is the triangular relationship going on. So let's say that Thar. is sent there by Rae. What does he see? He sees Nimrodel as the beautiful young maiden he had fallen for in the first place. She also sees Amroth reaching out to her. Naturally, he will fall for her again and try to win her in place of Amroth. Her reaction could go a few different ways: she could reject Thar and turn to Amroth. Or she could reject Amroth and turn to Thar. Or reject both and turn into herself. However, the three are not alone in the dell. Indil/Angela is there. Aeron and Gwyll are there. Jorje is there. Who they know these three to be will affect the outcome. Can Thar repent? Maybe, maybe not. But Rae sees no other way for it to be a possibility. Or at least, I don't. There may be other dimensions to this that I haven't thought of, so what do you think? Last edited by littlemanpoet; 02-11-2011 at 10:34 AM.

03-09-2009, 09:19 AM	#5
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Hmmm. Maybe Tharonwe's innate eeerminess is what drives Nimrodel to one last, desperate plunge into the mind of the blacksmith, to see if there is a stream-song there. And she discovers a golden king. Could work. Where's alak? We need something from Erebemlin. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

03-23-2009, 06:29 PM	#6
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Lmp, I don't know where you are going necessarily but it looks good. What do you need from me? Or from Nimrodel? And where is aaaalaaaaak? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

03-03-2009, 05:56 AM	#1
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Just to let you know - I've been a little at a loss concerning Mithrellas, so I've been reading page 4 over again - and then page 5 - to get a sense of what's been happening with her and others. So I'm not gone, just rekindling.

03-05-2009, 05:54 AM	#2
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I've rediscovered a couple of loose threads to pick up and tie back into the plot: 1. Bergil promised to be Indil's guardian and take her back to Minas Tirith. That serves as an interesting point of contention/conflict vis a vie Raefindan and Mithrellas being ready to adopt Indil as their child. 2. The ghosts of Indil's parents have been said to also be in this vale. This is not a rediscovered point, but a new idea: Raefindan places Tharonwe in the alternate dell so that he can face his freed captive and she face her former captor - how might that affect Amroth's quest???

03-24-2009, 06:15 PM	#7
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I need you to post for Nimrodel and others, they're initial reactions to Maegeleb showing up. I imagine the renewal effect will work upon his appearance as well, and he will begin to appear younger than he now is also. Feel free to carry on action and interaction as you wish, and then I'll be happy to take it up again.