WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification)

[Kath]

Hi all, first time I've had a chance to get on toDay but I shall read through the read over the next oh, I don't know, week given how much you've all written . Alright make it a couple of hours at least and then I'll try to return with something useful.

[Mnemosyne]

Suggestion: lynch all the people that are playing normally.

In other news, lol.

Now to devise some sort of interesting torture...

[Macalaure]

All the Lommies and Nilps will look up and shout "post better!" but we'll look down and whisper "No"!

Originally Posted by Wilwa

I also agree that there is more then one cobbler, just because Sally seems to be like that. For all we know there may be like 8 cobblers and then Sally just picks a random person to die every Night, leaving no actual were-ducks

You know, that would *just* be the thing that Sally would do.

However, there is only one type of villager who would come up with something like this (there are no wolves!) at this point: a cobbler!

Also, Brinn, Miri, and Nienna are obviously cobblers.

Originally Posted by Lari

There might even be a good cobbler(it is possible, behavior modification everyone).

A good cobbler? Riiiight, cobbler!

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The bolded one kind of jumps up from there as an ordo (or any non-duck/wolf) would know that because of herself not being one the whole option of all being wolves is not possible. A wolf doesn't know that of course and might speculate on it...

Keep in mind, she could be a cobbler, too. Or you are. Or both of you. Or neither! *looks around irritatedly*


Wilwa, Brinn, Miri, Nienna, Lari, Durelin, Nogrod: that's 7... there is one more cobbler out there...

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

All the Lommies and Nilps will look up and shout "post better!" but we'll look down and whisper "No"!

It took me way to long to get that Watchmen reference.

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Wilwa, Brinn, Miri, Nienna, Lari, Durelin, Nogrod: that's 7... there is one more cobbler out there...

Clearly you are the eighth cobbler. Only the real cobbler would try to point out fake cobblers...for wereduck kills.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Clearly you are the eighth cobbler. Only the real cobbler would try to point out fake cobblers...for wereduck kills.

You're really throwing me into an identity crisis there.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What is THAT? Five pages? I hope it's once again just heartless banter (well, it likely is), but whoever is going to continue in that, I am going to lynch him. Or lynch them all. For surely even one person, however insane, cannot have done this.

Back when I read the thread

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

For surely even one person, however insane, cannot have done this.

Unless she's the mod.

[Rikae]

Lari, that's an interesting idea. What would a good cobbler do, I wonder?

Nog may have a point about the slip. I had the same thought myself when I read Dury's post.

Then again, Nog is a bit quick on the draw there.... the caitiff werebear!

Nilp is a bit shady, and I'm considering Nilp'ing him - that is to say, voting myself, Life-of-Brian-suicide-squad style. That'll show 'em!

More later.

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Lari, that's an interesting idea. What would a good cobbler do, I wonder?

I was thinking something along the lines of being a tricked out ordo. Like getting three votes worth of power because they are trying to help the good side win actively and such. That would be my only guess. I just thought of it as an interesting idea and I'm clearly not intelligent enough to come up with what one would actually do.

Ok really back to my paper...almost on page 8 and have fixed all my citations. Ha! Totally working on it and not way to actively refreshing this page!

Edit: x-posted with Kath and Wilwa.

[wilwarin538]

Wilwa, Brinn, Miri, Nienna, Lari, Durelin, Nogrod: that's 7... there is one more cobbler out there...

You call me a cobbler but still go with my 8 cobbler theory, haha....I think we're all totally mixed up.


Anyways, I only have about 3.5 more hours before I need to go to work, then when I come back I'll only have 1 hour to vote and such before I need to sleep. So I want this to get a bit more exciting please.

Once there's been an entire Day and Night phase we should have more to go on. But for now what we should be able to establish is:

• There are atleast 3 were-ducks, with a game this size it makes no sense to have less, not fair odds, could maybe be more though
• I think we can assume there is a seer, though Sally probably messed around with the role, I don't think I've seen too many games that have taken out this role
• There is probably a hunter or ranger, if not both at least one, and they too are probably decked out with some crazy extra ability, though I'm sure there's a chance they were left out completely
• There is atleast 1 cobbler, but I think we've all suggested that there is probably more then 1, just cause it's a crazy role that is known to cause problems and, well, it's Sally
• Lovers, probably, and it probably isn't a normal pairing

So besides that I don't think there's much more we can establish, correct me of course if you disagree. Wouldn't surprise me if there are made up roles, but we shouldn't sit around trying to guess them. And if there's like a were-goose or something we won't know until there's been a Night phase and we see how many deaths there are.

So ya, I wouldn't suggest we dwell on this too much though, it being Day 1 we don't have a lot to go on. I saw we just kinda go with the flow, see what our Moddess throws at us and just have fun with it!

woah, x'posted since Maca's first one after my last one

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

• There are atleast 3 were-ducks, with a game this size it makes no sense to have less, not fair odds, could maybe be more though
• I think we can assume there is a seer, though Sally probably messed around with the role, I don't think I've seen too many games that have taken out this role
• There is probably a hunter or ranger, if not both at least one, and they too are probably decked out with some crazy extra ability, though I'm sure there's a chance they were left out completely
• There is atleast 1 cobbler, but I think we've all suggested that there is probably more then 1, just cause it's a crazy role that is known to cause problems and, well, it's Sally
• Lovers, probably, and it probably isn't a normal pairing

Wasn't there said that the Wereducks are precisely three? At least I thought so.
Likewise with the others. I think there was supposed to be a hunter&ranger as well as a Seer. With the others, I agree. (Only see my above post about Cobblers.)

[Durelin]

Here's what is on the admin thread about the roles:

X Were-ducks (yes, ducks, although really it's just that way for narration purposes)
Modified Seer
Modified Ranger
Modified Cobbler
Possible Modified Werebear
Possible Hunter
Lovers (possibly multiples pairs)
Other secret roles

Note that our lovely modduckess left it open for just about anything...

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The bolded one kind of jumps up from there as an ordo (or any non-duck/wolf) would know that because of herself not being one the whole option of all being wolves is not possible. A wolf doesn't know that of course and might speculate on it...

Well, it seems Nogrod is just Nogrod, though we have yet to see if he must be a 'quiet' Nogrod. I thought that would spark at least some amusement if not a theory or two.

Our moddess has the most posts now on the thread I believe...

Here we go.

Evil and Trying So Hard:

Nogrod
wilwa
Izzy


Evil and Not Trying at All/Amused:

Lari
Mira
Mac


Evil and Uninterested:

Brinniel
Nienna


Innocent and Trying So Hard:

Lommy
Legate
Kath


Innocent and Amused:

Rikae
Nerwen


Innocent and Uninterested:

Gwath
Shasta
Fea


Nilpish + a dash of Nogrod:

Nilp


Hope I didn't miss anyone.

And sorry Wilwa, hehe!

[Durelin]

Ah, well, I missed Mith because she has not posted yet.

Well there's certainly a lot more of interest on this page. I knew I could count on you Europeans!

Originally Posted by Wilwa

There are atleast 3 were-ducks, with a game this size it makes no sense to have less, not fair odds, could maybe be more though
I think we can assume there is a seer, though Sally probably messed around with the role, I don't think I've seen too many games that have taken out this role
There is probably a hunter or ranger, if not both at least one, and they too are probably decked out with some crazy extra ability, though I'm sure there's a chance they were left out completely
There is atleast 1 cobbler, but I think we've all suggested that there is probably more then 1, just cause it's a crazy role that is known to cause problems and, well, it's Sally
Lovers, probably, and it probably isn't a normal pairing

This is definitely good to keep in mind - I think it's a good general assumption, though after tonight we might need to add in a werebear.

Originally Posted by Lari

I was thinking something along the lines of being a tricked out ordo.

That is an interesting idea, though I don't think we should dwell on all the possibilities. If we have some tricked out anythings (ordos, seers, rangers, etc.), we should let them do their work and hope it helps us. Or just let them have their fun and let all be revealed most dramatically at the end of the game.

Originally Posted by Kath

It seems that people are focusing on that little group of chatterers which might be a good idea.

Really I don't think that's such a good idea. Wolves can easily keep their mouths shut if they're worried about drawing too much attention. Now, has it so far been easy to just kinda mingle and be forgotten? Yes. It's Day 1, we're at full numbers, and even the dead are filling up the thread.

I love how the most thinking we've done and conclusions we've come to is regarding who has what posting assignments/restrictions.

Btw, I think we have a grumpy Nilp on our hands. He might well vote for someone other than himself.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Wasn't there said that the Wereducks are precisely three? At least I thought so.
Likewise with the others. I think there was supposed to be a hunter&ranger as well as a Seer. With the others, I agree. (Only see my above post about Cobblers.)

from admin thread:

X Were-ducks
Modified Seer
Modified Ranger
Modified Cobbler
Possible Modified Werebear
Possible Hunter
Lovers (possibly multiples pairs)
Other secret roles

So I guess we're guaranteed a Seer and Ranger, and maybe a Hunter. We won't know whether there is a bear until ToMorrow, and plus all the numbers of each are unsure. Interesting...

x'posted with Durelin...well there you have it

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, so I see. And I presume the Hunter&co who were "possible" ARE indeed there (that means also the Werebear), because there's quite lot of us. I don't think there will be any too significant "other" roles, except for some Cobbler-like folks or Nerwen-fangirls etc. Certainly not any other Were-spirit-bear-immortal-whatever.