WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification)

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Legate

I can see you flying left and right here, so watching you.

What else is not new.

Originally Posted by Legate

(And also accusing people who are discussing, completely legitimely - I hope - that.)

Well, this game is sort of slowed down. The banter phase took three pages, and now we're in the rules-and-roles discussion of questionable value. It's legitimate for sure, but your immediate and strong defense, well...

Originally Posted by Legate

But the idea of "blind lovers" is also not as impossible, even though in this setting it would be quite hard role to play.

Now this is most peculiar. The most straightforward way to identify your lover, and have your lover identify you, is to talk about the lover role in general. I raise a point against it, and you give a half-hearted "it's not impossible" along with "it would be really hard to play". You see right above there how easy it can be played, possibly, so the first part of that statement is fishy and the second false.

Does this make you guilty? No. You might be a lover, but the problem is: there's no telling of what sort, and blindly lynching lovers is the path to defeat. I'm watching you, too, though.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Badger.

Or, alternatively, mushroom.

Or even snake.

I'll be back after the heavy lifting.

[wilwarin538]

Alrighty, well I have to go to work now, I'll be back in about 6 hours.

[Nienna]

Over hill, over dale,
Thorough bush, thorough briar,
Over park, over pale,
Thorough flood, thorough fire,
I do wander everywhere

and my brain hurts from all of the 'meta' role discussion that's going on. It seems to me like all the posting that has been happening toDay might make a lot more sense in the future. This is my first actual game but i've watched and lived vicariously through my roommates in WW for like ever so i do have a little experience and Day one posts never really seem to make sense and especially in this game because no one really knows anything. There wasn't even a Night phase so we can assume the seer is equally uninformed.

[Isabellkya]

I'm going to post before I have to refresh again and see a new page. xD

I think Nerwen is definitely a cheerleader for her task, as someone else mentioned.

Yes, to what use would working out whom has a posting requirement?

It could help distinguish the ones who actually have them, and the ones who are trying to look like they have one. I'm not sure how it works here with posting requirements - as in what the normal is. But elsewhere I've played, I don't think I ever saw a baddie with a posting requirement. I think for the most part, because they always draw quick attention, and you can even get lynched depending on the level of annoying-ness.

If we lynch the people whom are acting normal, well who would that be? That would be a pool of one or two, me thinks. Better to lynch the youtube affiliates I would say.

[Mirandir]

I've never played or watched a game with lovers. How does it work? Do they know who the other is or do they have to figure it out? Someone said something earlier about if one dies the other goes with xem... Or does it all depend on the individual game?

[Isabellkya]

Nog why is it troubling about Rikae's mention of no posting requirement? It doesn't say everyone will have one. Just that everyone will have a role. Role and requirement of posting, are not the same.

I think Shasta is not able to say anything relevant to the game.

[Rikae]

Well, I would assume Sally gave the posting requirements out pretty randomly, and I doubt Izzy's assumption that they wouldn't be given to baddies is right. After all, in this game it's expected that people will act strangely.

Good call, Nog, on Fea not being allowed to banter - that fits.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Nog why is it troubling about Rikae's mention of no posting requirement? It doesn't say everyone will have one. Just that everyone will have a role. Role and requirement of posting, are not the same.

I think I'm quoting this same thing for the hundreth time but let me quote it more fully now and bold / underline some parts for you to take notice...

Originally Posted by ModDuck

It is important to note that everyone in this game will have a role. These may be gifteds, modified baddies, or even tricked out ordos, but no one will receive a PM that simply says "You are an ordo. Have fun!" This game is, as the title implies, intended to be an individual mind trip for all those involved, and will require you all to think outside the box in terms of how you normally approach Werewolf.

With that in mind, you will each receive personalized PMs detailing your obligations and/or role for the game. Some will be fun things for you to do or contain information about Daily challenges you must complete, while others will be highly specific and may contain the moddess synopsis of your playing style/memes. (In advance, no offense is meant to anyone, except of course Phantom and Mith. All of you are fine people and fine players, but since I want to create utter havoc with your brains I first have to identify and disassemble the way you behave now in order to have my fun.

I think that is quite plain talking?

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But not all guidelines concern themselves with the "playing-style" of the player. Well, mine doesn't. I have been told of different kind of requirements.

Which is perhaps precisely what Rikae meant herself.

Originally Posted by Izzy

If we lynch the people whom are acting normal, well who would that be?

As if Mnemo is here to give us good advice anyway?

Originally Posted by Nienna

There wasn't even a Night phase so we can assume the seer is equally uninformed.

Oh yeah, I had forgotten there was no Night. So absolutely everyone's come in blind, though I assume the wolves at least were told who their companions were as part of the role assignment. Though that would make this quite a Day if there were not.

Originally Posted by Mac

Durelin's reply to Nogrod's point strikes me as fishy (Nogrod is just Nogrod... eh?).

That particular comment was responding to his posting style in general. The rest was about his comment on my damning 'possibility'. That was not at all clear, I know, I know.

(Edit: Crossed with quite a few)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

But elsewhere I've played, I don't think I ever saw a baddie with a posting requirement. I think for the most part, because they always draw quick attention, and you can even get lynched depending on the level of annoying-ness.

But don't forget that not all posting requirements are such by nature that they can be executed at any time - or that they should be executed all the time.

Yes, to what use would working out whom has a posting requirement?
It could help distinguish the ones who actually have them, and the ones who are trying to look like they have one.

I think Sally said it quite clearly that everyone will have some posting requirements. It is, I think, the whole clue to this game that we need to play something that is forced on us - whatever it is.

Looking at your confusion about this issue (thinking that some have requirements and others don't) just increases my slight suspicions on Rikae... and possibly you as well. Though to your credit it must be said you did not claim you had no requirements on your posting so you were not lying about it like Rikae did.

So the problem with Rikae is that she lied - and I can't see a reason a good gifted should have felt a need to make such a lie at that point in the game. Or then Sally has failed to give her the requirements she gave everyone else.

But if that "giving requirements" -stuff was the whole point of the game, I dare to doubt that possibility.

EDIT: X'd with Izzy, Rikae and Mira

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Page 1 - Nothing.

Page 2 - Nothing.

Page 3 - A couple of people mention their "assignments". I didn't get one. Woe is me.

Page 4 - Rise of the Durelin!

Also,

Originally Posted by Nerwen

kthnx shasta u iz my frend 4 lyfe!!!111!!!

Translates to:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Okay, thanks, Shasta! You're my friend for life!

Also,

Originally Posted by Sally

Really, does Phantom ever do a good job the first time?

...That's what she said. I know Durelin said it already but I wanted to reiterate.

Durelin is quite logical, what with all those lists...

Nerwen's posting requirement could be smileys.

Fea's could be one-liners?


Page 5

Originally Posted by Lari

lyke omg! cans we be bffs?!!!!111?????//??!?

Sigh, another client.

Originally Posted by Lari

Like, oh my goodness! Can we be best friends forever?

Lari also speculates some on roles.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

YES!!!!!plz!plz!!111plz1111!!!!shasta iz my bff now but liek u can be 2!!!!!!AWSUM!!!111

translates to:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes! Please, please! Shasta is my best friend forever now, but, like, you can be too! Awesome!

Wilwa looks good to me.

So does Mira.

And Legate (wait, what?)

Hey, here's something.

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Fish.

And then...

Originally Posted by Mac

Durelin's reply to Nogrod's point strikes me as fishy

(bolding mine)

Mac's posting requirement could be to use a specific word posted by the moddess at some point during the day? I don't know, the word "fishy" just stuck out to me so soon after Mnemo posted for no reason. And it was Mac's first post after she posted.

Page 6 (so far)

Funny, Izzy. :P

Also, I'm getting a strange vibe from Nogrod. Why are you so insistent that Rikae lied about having a posting requirement? You yourself said you didn't have one. I can say with surety that I don't have one. Yet you seem to be starting to put suspicion on Rikae for something you yourself said, and I don't like that.

*watches Nogrod*

[Mithalwen]

I anm still slogging through the posts having had various technical issues but just on past experience, I don't know how significant a Rikae lie is... she is someone who likes to mix things up to get a reaction ..in someways a lie for her might be honest... since she might be more careful as a wrong-un ..unless of course self sacrifice is her mission. Anyway .. I suppse I should actually read her posts before commenting ..though that is liable to prejudice one so.. and is so much effort... though I see The Phantom has posted... a brief glimmer of light in my darkness...

[Macalaure]

Nog, what you quote from the admin thread pretty clearly says "roles and/or requirement".

Originally Posted by Shasta

Mac's posting requirement could be to use a specific word posted by the moddess at some point during the day? I don't know, the word "fishy" just stuck out to me so soon after Mnemo posted for no reason. And it was Mac's first post after she posted.

Fish blow bubbles?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So the problem with Rikae is that she lied - and I can't see a reason a good gifted should have felt a need to make such a lie at that point in the game. Or then Sally has failed to give her the requirements she gave everyone else.

She may be required to deny having special powers, based on past history of claiming every known (and fake) role available.

Or, she might just not have orders about behavior. Like she said.

I honestly don't think any of the special orders are particularly linked. For instance, I think Nienna is required to devote a lot of her time to Shakespeare. And I think that the phantom is required to reference things said by an unknown female at any opportune moment. And I know that I should stop talking now.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Dury

though we have yet to see if he must be a 'quiet' Nogrod. I thought that would spark at least some amusement if not a theory or two.

It's so sad to disappoint people but my orders / guidelines didn't mention anything about posting a lot or a little. I've just had a terrible 11-hour working-day. So I may be making a few posts in the near future after I stick myself to this.

Just a meta-comment before I start looking backwards a bit more closely. Even if it is legitimate, I don't see there being a host of reasons to discuss the possible roles there are on Day1 too extensively in a game where everyone has a role of sorts and not all roles are even known.

But if you have nothing else to go for let's then rather discuss the guidelines / orders different people may have. It looks like a good guess that Dury needs to produce tallies or statistics - and that Fea has been told not to banter (that would explain why she complained her assignment being so hard: her friends having fun-banter to no end and she was not allowed to join it!). But not all guidelines concern themselves with the "playing-style" of the player. Well, mine doesn't. I have been told of different kind of requirements.

I'm not sure if we should talk openly about our own guidelines / orders as I feel it would be a bit against the spirit of the game at least this early (and surely anyone can claim anything) - but we should be able to speculate over that of other players as it might help us in making up our minds when voting - that we don't vote for people for reasons that have to do more with the ModDuck's orders than the lynchee's possible role. What I mean is "let's lynch Fea because she doesn't banter in this game" would be a bad reason to lynch her in this game - at least before something more enlightening comes to the fore. Which doesn't say we shouldn't lynch her in principle...

Having better grasp on these guidelines / orders everyone has to obey we could in the best case avoid some stupid lynches.

Btw. I find Rikae's comment here interesting if not even a bit troubling:

Originally Posted by Rikae

I feel a bit left out, since I don't have any special posting requirements.

Compare it with this...

Originally Posted by ModDuck

you will each receive personalized PMs detailing your obligations and/or role for the game.

Hmm...

Okay. Back to the thread now.