WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification)

[Nienna]

Over hill, over dale,
Thorough bush, thorough briar,
Over park, over pale,
Thorough flood, thorough fire,
I do wander everywhere

and my brain hurts from all of the 'meta' role discussion that's going on. It seems to me like all the posting that has been happening toDay might make a lot more sense in the future. This is my first actual game but i've watched and lived vicariously through my roommates in WW for like ever so i do have a little experience and Day one posts never really seem to make sense and especially in this game because no one really knows anything. There wasn't even a Night phase so we can assume the seer is equally uninformed.

[Isabellkya]

I'm going to post before I have to refresh again and see a new page. xD

I think Nerwen is definitely a cheerleader for her task, as someone else mentioned.

Yes, to what use would working out whom has a posting requirement?

It could help distinguish the ones who actually have them, and the ones who are trying to look like they have one. I'm not sure how it works here with posting requirements - as in what the normal is. But elsewhere I've played, I don't think I ever saw a baddie with a posting requirement. I think for the most part, because they always draw quick attention, and you can even get lynched depending on the level of annoying-ness.

If we lynch the people whom are acting normal, well who would that be? That would be a pool of one or two, me thinks. Better to lynch the youtube affiliates I would say.

[Mirandir]

I've never played or watched a game with lovers. How does it work? Do they know who the other is or do they have to figure it out? Someone said something earlier about if one dies the other goes with xem... Or does it all depend on the individual game?

[Isabellkya]

Nog why is it troubling about Rikae's mention of no posting requirement? It doesn't say everyone will have one. Just that everyone will have a role. Role and requirement of posting, are not the same.

I think Shasta is not able to say anything relevant to the game.

[Rikae]

Well, I would assume Sally gave the posting requirements out pretty randomly, and I doubt Izzy's assumption that they wouldn't be given to baddies is right. After all, in this game it's expected that people will act strangely.

Good call, Nog, on Fea not being allowed to banter - that fits.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Nog why is it troubling about Rikae's mention of no posting requirement? It doesn't say everyone will have one. Just that everyone will have a role. Role and requirement of posting, are not the same.

I think I'm quoting this same thing for the hundreth time but let me quote it more fully now and bold / underline some parts for you to take notice...

Originally Posted by ModDuck

It is important to note that everyone in this game will have a role. These may be gifteds, modified baddies, or even tricked out ordos, but no one will receive a PM that simply says "You are an ordo. Have fun!" This game is, as the title implies, intended to be an individual mind trip for all those involved, and will require you all to think outside the box in terms of how you normally approach Werewolf.

With that in mind, you will each receive personalized PMs detailing your obligations and/or role for the game. Some will be fun things for you to do or contain information about Daily challenges you must complete, while others will be highly specific and may contain the moddess synopsis of your playing style/memes. (In advance, no offense is meant to anyone, except of course Phantom and Mith. All of you are fine people and fine players, but since I want to create utter havoc with your brains I first have to identify and disassemble the way you behave now in order to have my fun.

I think that is quite plain talking?

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But not all guidelines concern themselves with the "playing-style" of the player. Well, mine doesn't. I have been told of different kind of requirements.

Which is perhaps precisely what Rikae meant herself.

Originally Posted by Izzy

If we lynch the people whom are acting normal, well who would that be?

As if Mnemo is here to give us good advice anyway?

Originally Posted by Nienna

There wasn't even a Night phase so we can assume the seer is equally uninformed.

Oh yeah, I had forgotten there was no Night. So absolutely everyone's come in blind, though I assume the wolves at least were told who their companions were as part of the role assignment. Though that would make this quite a Day if there were not.

Originally Posted by Mac

Durelin's reply to Nogrod's point strikes me as fishy (Nogrod is just Nogrod... eh?).

That particular comment was responding to his posting style in general. The rest was about his comment on my damning 'possibility'. That was not at all clear, I know, I know.

(Edit: Crossed with quite a few)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

But elsewhere I've played, I don't think I ever saw a baddie with a posting requirement. I think for the most part, because they always draw quick attention, and you can even get lynched depending on the level of annoying-ness.

But don't forget that not all posting requirements are such by nature that they can be executed at any time - or that they should be executed all the time.

Yes, to what use would working out whom has a posting requirement?
It could help distinguish the ones who actually have them, and the ones who are trying to look like they have one.

I think Sally said it quite clearly that everyone will have some posting requirements. It is, I think, the whole clue to this game that we need to play something that is forced on us - whatever it is.

Looking at your confusion about this issue (thinking that some have requirements and others don't) just increases my slight suspicions on Rikae... and possibly you as well. Though to your credit it must be said you did not claim you had no requirements on your posting so you were not lying about it like Rikae did.

So the problem with Rikae is that she lied - and I can't see a reason a good gifted should have felt a need to make such a lie at that point in the game. Or then Sally has failed to give her the requirements she gave everyone else.

But if that "giving requirements" -stuff was the whole point of the game, I dare to doubt that possibility.

EDIT: X'd with Izzy, Rikae and Mira

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Page 1 - Nothing.

Page 2 - Nothing.

Page 3 - A couple of people mention their "assignments". I didn't get one. Woe is me.

Page 4 - Rise of the Durelin!

Also,

Originally Posted by Nerwen

kthnx shasta u iz my frend 4 lyfe!!!111!!!

Translates to:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Okay, thanks, Shasta! You're my friend for life!

Also,

Originally Posted by Sally

Really, does Phantom ever do a good job the first time?

...That's what she said. I know Durelin said it already but I wanted to reiterate.

Durelin is quite logical, what with all those lists...

Nerwen's posting requirement could be smileys.

Fea's could be one-liners?


Page 5

Originally Posted by Lari

lyke omg! cans we be bffs?!!!!111?????//??!?

Sigh, another client.

Originally Posted by Lari

Like, oh my goodness! Can we be best friends forever?

Lari also speculates some on roles.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

YES!!!!!plz!plz!!111plz1111!!!!shasta iz my bff now but liek u can be 2!!!!!!AWSUM!!!111

translates to:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes! Please, please! Shasta is my best friend forever now, but, like, you can be too! Awesome!

Wilwa looks good to me.

So does Mira.

And Legate (wait, what?)

Hey, here's something.

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Fish.

And then...

Originally Posted by Mac

Durelin's reply to Nogrod's point strikes me as fishy

(bolding mine)

Mac's posting requirement could be to use a specific word posted by the moddess at some point during the day? I don't know, the word "fishy" just stuck out to me so soon after Mnemo posted for no reason. And it was Mac's first post after she posted.

Page 6 (so far)

Funny, Izzy. :P

Also, I'm getting a strange vibe from Nogrod. Why are you so insistent that Rikae lied about having a posting requirement? You yourself said you didn't have one. I can say with surety that I don't have one. Yet you seem to be starting to put suspicion on Rikae for something you yourself said, and I don't like that.

*watches Nogrod*

[Rikae]

Ok, Nogrod, before you go flatly stating that I "lied", I suggest you go reread what Sally said. It only implies that everyone will have a role, not that they will be required to post something.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Feanor of the Peredhil - I'll be sad if she can't banter. Fea-banter makes the game for me.
Brinniel - I always think she's innocent. *slaps self* Gotta stop doing that...
wilwarin538 - Looks pretty innocent to me.
Shastanis Althreduin - Obviously a Werebear/Werewolf/Wereduck/Werehotairballoon. LYNCH!
Mirandir - Very floaty, our Mira. But if she's evil, she's suicidal. I feel good about her.
Durelin - Speaks sense. I think she's innocent.
Nogrod - Will probably get my vote today. See above post.
Isabellkya - No read.
Nerwen - Berry berry bouncy. But she could be a bouncy wolf. Otherwise, no read.
Rikae - I think she's innocent. But then again, much like Brinn, I always think she's innocent. *sigh*
Mith - Grey Queen Mith! otherwise no read.
Kath - No real read, other than she's on the "serious" side of the fence and strikes me as innocent for being there.
Lari - Chattery. Wolfish? Maybe. No read.
Mac - I always think Mac's evil, but, no read.
Nienna - I'll give her a day.
Gwathagor - No read.
Thinlómien - Serious side of the fence. Otherwise, no read.
Legate of Amon Lanc - Leaning innocent.
Nilpaurion Felagund - ...it's freaking Nilp.

[Thinlómien]

Shasta - has to translate Nerwen's sayings
Nogrod - has to twist other people's words

Seriously, this game drives me crazy.


edit: xed with Rikae

[Nogrod]

Haha. Here we go again!

Originally Posted by Shasta

Also, I'm getting a strange vibe from Nogrod. Why are you so insistent that Rikae lied about having a posting requirement? You yourself said you didn't have one.

No I didn't. Read the thread. I said I had a different obligation to fulfill than "be loud", "be silent", "make lists", "do not banter"...

Interestingly enough Dury comes to speculate on that very issue immediately, even lending the part of my post you should have read Shasta.

Originally Posted by Dury

Which is perhaps precisely what Rikae meant herself.

Now this is interesting in itself as well. I know people may talk on behalf of others but this looks a bit fishy, like a rush to defend someone indeed. Somehow the wording of it makes me suspect it even more; perhaps precisely? Now if you just shoot in the dark not knowing what's going on you don't use a word like "precisely" for someone else's intentions...

Also Dury says:

Originally Posted by Dury

That particular comment was responding to his posting style in general. The rest was about his comment on my damning 'possibility'. That was not at all clear, I know, I know.

You have really fine antennas to respond to someone's posting style when that person had only done one short post to comment on in the first place. And from that one post you were able to say that I'm trying too hard and am bad... But you said there also that I am my normal self (Nogrod is just Nogrod) and we all know that was a bit different post from me if you compare it with these latter ones I've done after it (I was in a hurry and was only able to make the one point back then). So it wasn't too earnest, was it?

Originally Posted by Mac

Nog, what you quote from the admin thread pretty clearly says "roles and/or requirement".

I indeed saw it as I was copy-pasting it this time - and had to think for a moment whether I was mistaken and should just pull back all I had said on the issue. But if you look at that quote more closely you should see that Sally clearly meant there was to be requirements for all to do things they wouldn't usually do (I bolded a host of parts from that quote to make that interpretation clearer). Look and see for yourselves.

I think this - added to the other things in her post - is the most important one:

Originally Posted by Sally

will require you all to think outside the box in terms of how you normally approach Werewolf

Okay. Why do I always have to be a goodie in a game that has dozens of cobblers in it?

Gah, too many things going on... Back soon with further thoughts - after a cigarette to cool my brain.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Moddess

you will each receive personalized PMs detailing your obligations and/or role for the game. Some will be fun things for you to do or contain information about Daily challenges you must complete, while others will be highly specific and may contain the moddess synopsis of your playing style/memes

Bolding and italics mine.

But hey, why don't we lynch Shasta, he's lying too, right Nogrod?

EDIT: Ooops, the whole thing is in italics when I post it and I can't figure out why. I had "or" in italics.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Bolding and italics mine.

But hey, why don't we lynch Shasta, he's lying too, right Nogrod?

Gee, thanks...

[Mithalwen]

I anm still slogging through the posts having had various technical issues but just on past experience, I don't know how significant a Rikae lie is... she is someone who likes to mix things up to get a reaction ..in someways a lie for her might be honest... since she might be more careful as a wrong-un ..unless of course self sacrifice is her mission. Anyway .. I suppse I should actually read her posts before commenting ..though that is liable to prejudice one so.. and is so much effort... though I see The Phantom has posted... a brief glimmer of light in my darkness...

[Macalaure]

Nog, what you quote from the admin thread pretty clearly says "roles and/or requirement".

Originally Posted by Shasta

Mac's posting requirement could be to use a specific word posted by the moddess at some point during the day? I don't know, the word "fishy" just stuck out to me so soon after Mnemo posted for no reason. And it was Mac's first post after she posted.

Fish blow bubbles?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So the problem with Rikae is that she lied - and I can't see a reason a good gifted should have felt a need to make such a lie at that point in the game. Or then Sally has failed to give her the requirements she gave everyone else.

She may be required to deny having special powers, based on past history of claiming every known (and fake) role available.

Or, she might just not have orders about behavior. Like she said.

I honestly don't think any of the special orders are particularly linked. For instance, I think Nienna is required to devote a lot of her time to Shakespeare. And I think that the phantom is required to reference things said by an unknown female at any opportune moment. And I know that I should stop talking now.

[Durelin]

Nog, I was being nice to you because last night I was up till almost 3 am posting on this game and I know I did not like it.

Well hi, Lari.

The Votes:

234 Rikae >> Nogrod (1)
237 Macalaure >> Gwathagor (1)
253 Mithalwen >> Lariren (1)
254 Kath >> Brinniel (1)
288 Lariren >> Durelin (1)
289 Nogrod >> Durelin (2)

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I mean only four votes up to now. Why encourage thinking mainly of them (yeah, you mentioned a few others in the end of the post to be sure but they were not like "let's consider these")? And what bothers me is that you have nothing particular to say about any of these four first votes - so you just want to concentrate our thinking on these people - wishing to see those people discussed while you yourself can afterwards say you had no damning points on them if one of them gets lynched and is proved to be an innocent?

It's a way of looking at a few people out of a village of 18. In one post. And I did say particular things about them, though no, not 3 pages worth or anything.

I'm trying to be a better player here than my usual self so I'm trying the analysis thing. I guess it just doesn't suit me.

Originally Posted by Gwath

As far as I can tell, Nogrod seems to be his usual self.

Yeah, pretty much. A bit more belligerent perhaps. But I think he's usually nicer as a wolf anyway.

So yeah, definitely moving on from Nogrod...just need to find the time.

[Thinlómien]

Aiee I should vote soon, it's dreadfully late here.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Nog, I was being nice to you because last night I was up till almost 3 am posting on this game and I know I did not like it.

Now who is here till 3 AM...

All right, but I should just vote and go. Great. Hmm...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I don't consider her very guilty. Not even particularly suspicious. In fact, I sort of hope that she won't get lynched.

++Durelin

But let's call that just an experiment.

[Gwathagor]

Suspicious
Rikae
Nogrod
Sally!

Sort of Suspicious
Legate
Durelin

Un-Suspicious
Nerwen
Shasta
Thinlomien

Innocent
Fea
Brinniel

If I HAD to guess, I'd say that Nogrod might be a cobbler, although he has been making sense. Legate's vote for Durelin looks pretty bad to me, but I don't think that a clever wolf would do anything quite that obvious. If I haven't mentioned anyone, it's because I really don't know.

Oh yikes, I have to run to a theatre meeting. I don't know if I'll make it back before DL, so here's my vote:

++Legate

[Mirandir]

Rikae -> Nog
Mac -> Gwath
Mith -> Lari
Kath -> Brinn
Lari -> Durie
Nog -> Durie
Lommy -> Lari
Legate ->Durie
Gwath -> Legate (not bolded)
Mira -> Lommy
Izzy -> Lari


Lari and Durie- 3, Nog, Gwath, Brinn, Legate, Lommy - 1

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++Brinn

Self preservation. On a meta-level. And now...

By a sleep to say we end the heartache...

One can hope...