WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification)

[Mirandir]

SO. I was making a vote count, but then Durie beat me to it. Grr. Commence work on analysis...NOW.

[Durelin]

Wow. Hi Nilp.

Originally Posted by Nilp

--Mithalwen

Does that count as one of his two retractions for the game?

(Edit: Crossed with a perhaps not quite as grumpy as Nilp but still grumpy Mira. Oh, and Brinn, too.)

[Gwathagor]

I am now prepared to be a little more involved.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Lynch Gwath toDay and I'll modfire the lot of you.

Ha ha. What now, village?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

I'll be here tomorrow, though now I wish I weren't.

LYNCH ME.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Wow. Hi Nilp.

Does that count as one of his two retractions for the game?

Hi Dury . . . Dure . . . Dûrin?

Yes.

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Ha ha. What now, village?

Lynch you toMorrow?

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nilp

LYNCH ME.

Ha. My guess is that Nilp isn't allowed to self-vote.

[Lariren Shadow]

I don't really have a lot of time so here is just a plain list:
Guilty:
Shasta
Wilwa
Dury
Izzy
Nerwen
Rikae
Lommy
Kath
Nienna

Not Guilty:
Fea
Brinn
Mira
Nog
Mith
Legate
Gwath
Bubbles
Nilp

Therefore I am voting

++Durelin

[Nogrod]

Dury. Your nice words make me doubt this decision, but as I know you're an intelligent person, I can also see your way of talking very nicely to me after I suspected you from a slip in the first place - and not giving that suspicion up - could have produced just that careful "being nice"-thing.

And I really like to play with you. But this kind of settled it for me from choosing between you, Rikae and the "nonsensers", as I think I may have a catch here. (Remember the bad ones are most of the times those who feel good in daylight)

Originally Posted by Durelin

So, about those who have been voted so far...

How nice a choice! Only four votes have been given and you are rushing to make us think only those who have been voted should be concentrated on? Or if you think that is too far-fetched, then let's say you were confident enough to see someone of those four to go as it meant nothing bad to your fellows - and you have fellows. Otherwise you would have been a bit more open-minded about it.

I mean only four votes up to now. Why encourage thinking mainly of them (yeah, you mentioned a few others in the end of the post to be sure but they were not like "let's consider these")? And what bothers me is that you have nothing particular to say about any of these four first votes - so you just want to concentrate our thinking on these people - wishing to see those people discussed while you yourself can afterwards say you had no damning points on them if one of them gets lynched and is proved to be an innocent?

++ Durelin

Originally Posted by Brinn

A role is a role and not the same as behaviour modification. Suspicions and votes can give us clues to roles as people will make suspicions based on what their own role is. And while someone's behaviour may be entirely screwed up, I can't imagine the modification alone would ultimately affect their vote. Though I could be wrong...this is Sally's game after all...

Now you ignore the quotation marks there and the asterisk which gives the explanation of it - which point to the difference between a role in a game (ordo, wolf, seer, ranger...) and a "role" in this game where we are fugitives from the LotR world (eg. Aragorn, Frodo, Saruman... whatever you are) - just read the prologue... I'm not sure if you're a cobbler and did that on purpose or not but if not, please read the posts first...

EDIT: x'd from the beginning of the page...

EDIT2: "the asterisk which gives the explanation of it" - the asterisk in itself doesn't explain anything of course - but in the post Brinn is quoting there was a relative asterisk in the end of the post making the explanation I made here...

[Isabellkya]

I really don't understand what all this fuss in relation to Nog is about. He has some quite sensible points, and for the most part I think I've understood what he is saying. Though, it seems where any misinterpretation has come in - has been in possible ambiguous statements in relation to roles and what have you.

I think I get why he used LoTR as the "roles". Instead of just saying roles over again, and possibly getting it confused with assignments/obligations/posting requirements... etc. Then again, now he says he is a LoTR character? Well, it could be true... why not? We know we have wereducks... but what are the "names" of the other roles? Would they just be Seer, Ranger, Cobbler.. etc?


Meh. I've got to get back to peeling potatoes and eggs now.


X'd with Brinn, Lari and Nog.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Ha. My guess is that Nilp isn't allowed to self-vote.

That's child's play. I'd rather have you lynch me.

[Isabellkya]

Ah. I see now. Makes sense.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

"role" in this game where we are fugitives from the LotR world (eg. Aragorn, Frodo, Saruman... whatever you are)

Oh. I thought you meant the characters represented gifted, were-duck, cobbler roles, etc.

Okay, shutting up for the next 50 minutes. I'm watching Lost.

[Gwathagor]

As far as I can tell, Nogrod seems to be his usual self.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So the problem with Rikae is that she lied - and I can't see a reason a good gifted should have felt a need to make such a lie at that point in the game. Or then Sally has failed to give her the requirements she gave everyone else.

She may be required to deny having special powers, based on past history of claiming every known (and fake) role available.

Or, she might just not have orders about behavior. Like she said.

I honestly don't think any of the special orders are particularly linked. For instance, I think Nienna is required to devote a lot of her time to Shakespeare. And I think that the phantom is required to reference things said by an unknown female at any opportune moment. And I know that I should stop talking now.

[Durelin]

Nog, I was being nice to you because last night I was up till almost 3 am posting on this game and I know I did not like it.

Well hi, Lari.

The Votes:

234 Rikae >> Nogrod (1)
237 Macalaure >> Gwathagor (1)
253 Mithalwen >> Lariren (1)
254 Kath >> Brinniel (1)
288 Lariren >> Durelin (1)
289 Nogrod >> Durelin (2)

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I mean only four votes up to now. Why encourage thinking mainly of them (yeah, you mentioned a few others in the end of the post to be sure but they were not like "let's consider these")? And what bothers me is that you have nothing particular to say about any of these four first votes - so you just want to concentrate our thinking on these people - wishing to see those people discussed while you yourself can afterwards say you had no damning points on them if one of them gets lynched and is proved to be an innocent?

It's a way of looking at a few people out of a village of 18. In one post. And I did say particular things about them, though no, not 3 pages worth or anything.

I'm trying to be a better player here than my usual self so I'm trying the analysis thing. I guess it just doesn't suit me.

Originally Posted by Gwath

As far as I can tell, Nogrod seems to be his usual self.

Yeah, pretty much. A bit more belligerent perhaps. But I think he's usually nicer as a wolf anyway.

So yeah, definitely moving on from Nogrod...just need to find the time.

[Thinlómien]

Aiee I should vote soon, it's dreadfully late here.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Nog, I was being nice to you because last night I was up till almost 3 am posting on this game and I know I did not like it.

Now who is here till 3 AM...

All right, but I should just vote and go. Great. Hmm...

[Thinlómien]

Okay

++Lariren

I considered voting her before and she just does not seem to innocent to me. Her bantery posts don't look too good. She should know better.

I'm surprised if she's a wolf though. Oh well, it's Day1...

edit: xed with Legate who should shut up because it's almost 4am here...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I don't consider her very guilty. Not even particularly suspicious. In fact, I sort of hope that she won't get lynched.

++Durelin

But let's call that just an experiment.

[wilwarin538]

I'm here and reading...

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Garr, I got a vote because I was in class all day? I'm here now, though I can't promise I'll post too much. Keep in mind that Tuesday-Thursday, I'm gone for at least eight hours of the day, not to mention I've had a really frustrating week which has put me in a sour/stressed out mood. I only got three hours of sleep last night...

Ah, that would explain the incredibly terse posts.

[Gwathagor]

Suspicious
Rikae
Nogrod
Sally!

Sort of Suspicious
Legate
Durelin

Un-Suspicious
Nerwen
Shasta
Thinlomien

Innocent
Fea
Brinniel

If I HAD to guess, I'd say that Nogrod might be a cobbler, although he has been making sense. Legate's vote for Durelin looks pretty bad to me, but I don't think that a clever wolf would do anything quite that obvious. If I haven't mentioned anyone, it's because I really don't know.

Oh yikes, I have to run to a theatre meeting. I don't know if I'll make it back before DL, so here's my vote:

++Legate

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Legate

I sort of hope that she won't get lynched.

I'd say I am offended except that I only sort of hope so, too. This game is distracting me a bit too much from job applications and papers...

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I don't consider her very guilty. Not even particularly suspicious. In fact, I sort of hope that she won't get lynched.

++Durelin

But let's call that just an experiment.

I'm not sure how i feel about someone voting for someone else as an experiment... that just bothers me... I'll wait before voting but right now I'm leaning toward Legate.

[Brinniel]

I don't like either Lommy or Legate's votes. Why vote for someone if you don't think they're the were-duck?

[Thinlómien]

I smell a consensus that precedes a bandwagon...

Good night and Night!

edit: xed with Brinn

[Thinlómien]

Maybe if you have no idea who is... I suspect Lari more than most.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Gwath

Ah, that would explain the incredibly terse posts.

Me, terse? Nah.

[Brinniel]

Okay, I don't have any strong vote candidates in mind so I shall look back at earlier posts. Hopefully I'll make it by deadline; my internet is being incredibly slow for no reason.

[Isabellkya]

Why would you vote for someone whom you didn't think was guilty, and didn't want them to be lynched?

What kind of experiment are you doing?

234 Rikae >> Nogrod (1)
237 Macalaure >> Gwathagor (1)
253 Mithalwen >> Lariren (1)
254 Kath >> Brinniel (1)
288 Lariren >> Durelin (1)
289 Nogrod >> Durelin (2)
300 Lommy >> Lari (2)
301 Legate >> Durelin (3)
304 Gwath >> Legate (1) (does it count if it isn't bolded?)

X'd with Brinn x2.

[Nerwen]

Hello, everybody!!

Sally, do I still have a vote?

EDIT: x'd since Lommy.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Okay

++Lariren

I considered voting her before and she just does not seem to innocent to me. Her bantery posts don't look too good. She should know better.

So you're voting for her because she bantered for the first three pages just like Nienna, phantom, sally, and I all did. That makes sense. You claim she should know better but so should everyone else. That seems highly suspicious in my opinion.

That analysis is coming shortly. I got dragged away to watch my friends' air band play.

[Mirandir]

Fea - Has been busy with school. Boo. Need to hear more from her.

Brinn - Needs to get more sleep. Also needs to post more. But what she has said doesn't look too suspicious.

wilwa - No idea.

Shasta - Makes references that confuse me. Will keep an eye on him.

Durie - Stole my vote count idea. Should lynch him just for that. Just kidding. Stats are good.

Nog - If we were playing the "whoever analyzes most is clearly evil" game, Nog would win. Otherwise his posts look solid and not too suspicious.

Izzy - Need to hear more from.

Nerwen - Need to hear more from to get a read.

Rikae - Bubbles. Heh heh...Beyond that, no idea.

Mith - Need to hear more from.

Kath - Apparently worried about a Day 1 lynch for Gwath. Suspicious.

Lari - Apparently now looks like a good lynch choice for no good reason as far as I can tell. Will keep an eye on her.

Mac - No read on him so far. Need to hear more.

Nienna - Newbie. Gets Day 1 protection from me at least.

Gwath - Apparently can't be lynched toDay at risk of everyone being modfired.

Lommie - Seems very very confused and frustrated...but is that because she actually is or because she's been told to act that way. Also voted Lari for banter. Suspicious.

Legate - Needs to post more.

Nilp - Suicidal. Suspicious.

Sorry that took so incredibly long for such a short post. I feel like if I make a more detailed post I'm going to miss deadline and as we learned last game, that is a very bad life choice. If anyone wants elaboration, I'll do my best to give it.

[Mirandir]

So according to my analysis, Lommie, Kath, and Nilp are suspicious. I'm not a fan of lynching the suicidal; it tends to give them what they want. I don't have enough reason to lynch Kath just quite yet, but I'm going to keep an eye on her. So based on that logic:

++Lommie

[Isabellkya]

++Lari

I don't see what is supposedly wrong with Durelin, and I don't like how Legate voted for her. Not wanting her to get lynched, but putting her in the lead.
I don't think voting for Legate would do much good; because it would just be a bandwagon-esque vote.
Meh. Call it what it is I suppose.


X'd with Mira x3.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Mira

So you're voting for her because she bantered for the first three pages just like Nienna, phantom, sally, and I all did.

But...phantom and Sally aren't playing in this game.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I don't like either Lommy or Legate's votes. Why vote for someone if you don't think they're the were-duck?

This is a constant frustration for me. If you think someone is guilty, okay, vote for them. But don't go saying "I think they're guilty somehow but I don't think there a were...whatever." At least have a backbone if nothing else.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I smell a consensus that precedes a bandwagon...

Of course the consensus thing bothers me, too. But no one's done the old "well who are you voting for" thing yet so it hasn't quite gone that far.

I've really lost my steam here.

And ohhhh yeeaaaah the deadline is in like...35 mins-ish? This should be interesting.

(Edit: Crossed with Mira and Izzy)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

All y'all are bandwagoning. I don't like this at all.

[Mirandir]

Rikae -> Nog
Mac -> Gwath
Mith -> Lari
Kath -> Brinn
Lari -> Durie
Nog -> Durie
Lommy -> Lari
Legate ->Durie
Gwath -> Legate (not bolded)
Mira -> Lommy
Izzy -> Lari


Lari and Durie- 3, Nog, Gwath, Brinn, Legate, Lommy - 1