Hurt and Heal Take 2 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gordis · 03-19-2009, 12:43 AM

Here are my 2 cents:

I think the rules should change automatically when the list is reduced to 6 characters and to 3.

From 20 to 7 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts are allowed.

From 6 to 4 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts ar not allowed: a player has to hurt 2 different characters and heal one, or he may use only 1 hurt and 1 heal.

When but 3 characters are left - each player has 2 votes: 1 hurt and 1 heal. Or, as Tuor suggested (see his post below) either a hurt or a heal.

Four posts between turns seems quite reasonable. Maybe by the end even five or six posts between turns would be needed. I think the Gamemaster can assess the current situation and make the announcement about the change of the rules to be implemented at once.

The end of the last game was stressful and rushed. Refresh page - count - post - count - correct - refresh page - correct again... Grrr... There was absolutely no place for associated banter, which is usually so fun.

Also, yes, I think it is much more interesting if we keep either to Silm or to LOTR. Gothmog I and Fingolfin seemed to me out of place in the last game regardless of the fact that both were great characters. It would have been much better, IMHO, to have Durin's Bane and a contemporary Elf (Gildor, Glorfindel or Galadriel) in the game - with the understanding that we consider mostly their deeds in the TA, not what we know of their FA history from Silm.
But in the FA game Sauron should be regarded as Gorthaur Melkor's Lieutenant, not as the Ringmaker and Mordor Lord.

I also much approve of the idea of thematic lists (all orcs, or all Valar, or all Maiar, or the Fellowship, or Elf-Lords of the FA). Maybe we can also have a game based on the LOTR Appendices, with Romendacil, Castamir, Earnur, Arvedui etc?

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-19-2009, 07:27 AM

I'd suggest one change in Gordis's ideas,
from 3 people left to the end of the game: only
either one hurt or one heal. This might allow for
more discussion and strategy. Not sure how this
would work out, just a suggestion.

Gordis · 03-19-2009, 08:04 AM

Good suggestion: I approve.

Rikae · 03-19-2009, 09:27 AM

I like Gordis' suggestions, and think if we're going to focus on either the Silm or LoTR, I prefer the former. LoTR is done to death, the province of movie fans... much as I love it.

If I can, I would like to nominate Melian, Maedhros and Maglor.

the phantom · 03-19-2009, 10:47 AM

I agree that we should have a theme.

All elf princes- Finrod, Fingon, Turgon, Orodreth, Maedhros, Maglor, etc.

All elf ladies- Aredhel, Finduilas, Miriel, Indis, Elenwe, Nimloth, Nerdanel, Nellas, etc.

All creatures- Glaurung, Drauglin, Thuringwethil, Huan, Ancalagon, Ungolient, etc.

mormegil · 03-19-2009, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordis

Here are my 2 cents:

I think the rules should change automatically when the list is reduced to 6 characters and to 3.

From 20 to 7 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts are allowed.

From 6 to 4 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts ar not allowed: a player has to hurt 2 different characters and heal one, or he may use only 1 hurt and 1 heal.

When but 3 characters are left - each player has 2 votes: 1 hurt and 1 heal. Or, as Tuor suggested (see his post below) either a hurt or a heal.

Four posts between turns seems quite reasonable. Maybe by the end even five or six posts between turns would be needed. I think the Gamemaster can assess the current situation and make the announcement about the change of the rules to be implemented at once.

I can agree with these rules. Also I like the theme of the Silm, but do we want to make the whole Silm or narrow it even further to certain types of characters such as dwarves or elves etc...I would vote let's keep it broad and just get 20 well characters making sure to represent the lot of them.

Gordis · 03-19-2009, 01:15 PM

I would vote to have a rather broad Silm game now, then again LOTR game, then maybe UT - Akallabeth Numenorean game, then maybe LOTR appendices game (the last two I would fancy very much) and so on.

"More specialized" games could come later, I believe.

To the Rikae's list I would add Morwen, Turin and Turingwethil

Lalaith · 03-19-2009, 02:29 PM

Approve of all names so far nominated and would add:
Hurin, Haleth, Finrod Felagund

mormegil · 03-19-2009, 02:34 PM

I would second Turin and Melian.

Add Huan, Tulkas, Mim, and Turgon (I'm not sure if Turgon is a second as tp mentioned him)

So the list now is

Turin (10)
Melian (10)

or are we starting at 15 points?

the phantom · 03-19-2009, 02:37 PM

Hurin, Thuringwethil, Morwen, Beleg, Maedhros, Ecthelion, Aredhel

mormegil · 03-19-2009, 02:41 PM

So if I have it correct:

Turin (10)
Melian (10)
Hurin (10)
Morwen (10)
Maedhros (10)

Gordis · 03-19-2009, 02:44 PM

I second Mim, Hurin and Aredhel

Propose Eol and Elwing

Edit: Thuringwethil has already two votes, mine and Phantom's
Maedhros has 2 votes

03-19-2009, 12:43 AM	#1
Gordis Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 431	Here are my 2 cents: I think the rules should change automatically when the list is reduced to 6 characters and to 3. From 20 to 7 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts are allowed. From 6 to 4 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts ar not allowed: a player has to hurt 2 different characters and heal one, or he may use only 1 hurt and 1 heal. When but 3 characters are left - each player has 2 votes: 1 hurt and 1 heal. Or, as Tuor suggested (see his post below) either a hurt or a heal. Four posts between turns seems quite reasonable. Maybe by the end even five or six posts between turns would be needed. I think the Gamemaster can assess the current situation and make the announcement about the change of the rules to be implemented at once. The end of the last game was stressful and rushed. Refresh page - count - post - count - correct - refresh page - correct again... Grrr... There was absolutely no place for associated banter, which is usually so fun. Also, yes, I think it is much more interesting if we keep either to Silm or to LOTR. Gothmog I and Fingolfin seemed to me out of place in the last game regardless of the fact that both were great characters. It would have been much better, IMHO, to have Durin's Bane and a contemporary Elf (Gildor, Glorfindel or Galadriel) in the game - with the understanding that we consider mostly their deeds in the TA, not what we know of their FA history from Silm. But in the FA game Sauron should be regarded as Gorthaur Melkor's Lieutenant, not as the Ringmaker and Mordor Lord. I also much approve of the idea of thematic lists (all orcs, or all Valar, or all Maiar, or the Fellowship, or Elf-Lords of the FA). Maybe we can also have a game based on the LOTR Appendices, with Romendacil, Castamir, Earnur, Arvedui etc? Last edited by Gordis; 03-19-2009 at 08:40 AM. Reason: adjusted numbers a bit

03-19-2009, 07:27 AM	#2
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	I'd suggest one change in Gordis's ideas, from 3 people left to the end of the game: only either one hurt or one heal. This might allow for more discussion and strategy. Not sure how this would work out, just a suggestion. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-19-2009, 10:47 AM	#5
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I agree that we should have a theme. All elf princes- Finrod, Fingon, Turgon, Orodreth, Maedhros, Maglor, etc. All elf ladies- Aredhel, Finduilas, Miriel, Indis, Elenwe, Nimloth, Nerdanel, Nellas, etc. All creatures- Glaurung, Drauglin, Thuringwethil, Huan, Ancalagon, Ungolient, etc. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

03-19-2009, 01:15 PM	#7
Gordis Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 431	I would vote to have a rather broad Silm game now, then again LOTR game, then maybe UT - Akallabeth Numenorean game, then maybe LOTR appendices game (the last two I would fancy very much) and so on. "More specialized" games could come later, I believe. To the Rikae's list I would add Morwen, Turin and Turingwethil Last edited by Gordis; 03-19-2009 at 01:19 PM.

03-19-2009, 02:29 PM	#8
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Approve of all names so far nominated and would add: Hurin, Haleth, Finrod Felagund __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

03-19-2009, 08:04 AM	#3
Gordis Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 431	Good suggestion: I approve.

03-19-2009, 09:27 AM	#4
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	I like Gordis' suggestions, and think if we're going to focus on either the Silm or LoTR, I prefer the former. LoTR is done to death, the province of movie fans... much as I love it. If I can, I would like to nominate Melian, Maedhros and Maglor.

03-19-2009, 02:34 PM	#9
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	I would second Turin and Melian. Add Huan, Tulkas, Mim, and Turgon (I'm not sure if Turgon is a second as tp mentioned him) So the list now is Turin (10) Melian (10) or are we starting at 15 points? __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

03-19-2009, 02:37 PM	#10
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Hurin, Thuringwethil, Morwen, Beleg, Maedhros, Ecthelion, Aredhel __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

03-19-2009, 02:41 PM	#11
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	So if I have it correct: Turin (10) Melian (10) Hurin (10) Morwen (10) Maedhros (10) __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

03-19-2009, 02:44 PM	#12
Gordis Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 431	I second Mim, Hurin and Aredhel Propose Eol and Elwing Edit: Thuringwethil has already two votes, mine and Phantom's Maedhros has 2 votes Last edited by Gordis; 03-19-2009 at 02:49 PM.