WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gwathagor · 03-20-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Okay Gwath. If you were a duck, you would be more than happy if Legate - who was not your mate but an enemy - was not around.

That is true. However, if I was looking for an easy lynch, I surely wouldn't have risked starting an unnecessary bandwagon. I believe that there were several other people who had already received votes at that time, and I could have easily gone with one of them.

Brinniel · 03-20-2009, 08:02 PM

Hmm...does anyone know what the vote count is as of now?

Gwathagor · 03-20-2009, 08:05 PM

Thinlomien: 2
Gwath: 2
Mith: 1

I think that is it, at any rate.

Nogrod · 03-20-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwathagor

That is true. However, if I was looking for an easy lynch, I surely wouldn't have risked starting an unnecessary bandwagon. I believe that there were several other people who had already received votes at that time, and I could have easily gone with one of them.

Do I have to get more worried about you now? Did you think back then that you were starting a bandwagon, or risking to start one you now afterwards call "unnecessary" or is this just trying to explain things afterwards?

Going with some of those who had already received votes might have been much more risky as then you might have been the one dealing the killing blow of an innocent or at least being an integral part of the lynch, right (if you're a duck that is and thence as you knew it)? Legate was an easy target because of the queer post he made talking about experimenting with his vote. A gift for a baddie...

But looking at the other Legate-voters and their reasons for it... well they don't look any more innocent - and it would be a spectacular situation if all of you five were baddies...

Gwathagor · 03-20-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Do I have to get more worried about you now? Did you think back then that you were starting a bandwagon, or risking to start one you now afterwards call "unnecessary" or is this just trying to explain things afterwards?

I was speaking hypothetically. If I was a duck, voting for Legate would have been risking an unnecessary bandwagon. So, no, you shouldn't be more worried about me now. I just want my common ration of humanity, and I was only talking that way because of the context of our discussion.

Gwathagor · 03-20-2009, 08:22 PM

Ok, I have to vote very soon. I will probably vote Lommy, unless something crazy happens to change my mind.

Nienna · 03-20-2009, 08:25 PM

I still don't really know who to vote for... I'm leaning toward either Gwath or Mith ...

Gwath is posting a lot but he it doesn't seem like he is contributing much and what he is saying seems to be trying to hint in his posts as they don't make a lot of sense but I won't hold random posts against him as it may be a posting requirement but i still think he is secretly communicating and that makes me slightly nervous.

Mith is like gunning against Lommy and I and yet she gives like no reasoning which makes me nervous. She also said that I'm irritating... I don't think I'm being irritating but if I am... I'm sorry...

X-ed with Gwath and Nerwen

Isabellkya · 03-20-2009, 08:30 PM

Lari.
I had read it meaning, you thought there were more than one of each. Which is what I was asking. Must've read it wrong then.

Brinniel · 03-20-2009, 08:36 PM

I could vote for Lommy or wilwa.

I'm uncomfortable with wilwa and the fact that Shasta chose to pursue out of anyone else just makes me suspect her more.

I also find Lommy suspicious and would definitely rather see her die than Gwath. Gwath just looks like the easy lynch of the Day (as always) and people are too eager to jump on him simply because of his posting style. After all, it's his attitude that always seems to make him so lynchable in every game. So I think going after him for that reason alone is very poor indeed.

Durelin · 03-20-2009, 08:41 PM

Agh, almost lost track of the time...but here I am. I can't believe there are so many left to vote still, but it does always seem to end up this way.

I will probably either vote for Lari or Lommy but I'm going to look over the latest stuff real quick...

Nogrod · 03-20-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

I'm uncomfortable with wilwa and the fact that Shasta chose to pursue out of anyone else just makes me suspect her more.

Now Shasta was an ordo-lover with only Day1 hunches with him... How come it is making you think he was somehow right just because he was proven innocent as you yourself - if you're an innocent - were wrong with your Day1 hunch?

Nienna · 03-20-2009, 08:47 PM

So if we continue to not lynch Gwath because of his posting style even when it sounds really guilty then he could slip by as a wolf. I, personally, am not comfortable with this. Maybe if I knew his playing better I would make a different decision... but maybe not.

++ Gwath

Brinniel · 03-20-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now Shasta was an ordo-lover with only Day1 hunches with him... How come it is making you think he was somehow right because he was innocent as you yourself - if you're an innocent - were wrong with your Day1 hunch?

Because he's psychic.

But seriously, Shasta has often been right about early suspicions which is why I feel inclined to trust him. But don't think that's why I suspect her alone; I'm just saying it supports my own suspicions of her.

Lariren Shadow · 03-20-2009, 08:50 PM

Vote Count:
Mith→Lommy
Kath → Lari
Lommy→ Gwath
Bubbles→Lommy (2)
Wilwa→ Gwath (2)
Rikae → Mith
Nienna--> Gwath (3)

Gwath 3, Lommy 2, Mith and Lari 1

Left to vote: Lari, Fea, Brinn, Nog, Izzy, Nerwen, Dury, Gwath, and Nilp

Nerwen · 03-20-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwathagor

I've explained this already! My manner - it seems insubordinate, but it isn't really.

He wasn't Gwath of Arabia yesterDay, was he? So all this quoting can't be his posting requirement– unless Sally changed it, of course. She might have.

EDIT: x'd since Lari

Durelin · 03-20-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now Shasta was an ordo-lover with only Day1 hunches with him... How come it is making you think he was somehow right just because he was proven innocent as you yourself - if you're an innocent - were wrong with your Day1 hunch?

I thought that was rather odd, too.

Right now I feel worse about Lari. I always feel worse about those who seem careful, cautious, and like they're trying to be 'helpful' or engaged but still stay on the edges. Lommy's behavior I think just seems too uncautious to be wolf behavior. I know she can be completely cool as a wolf, and her oddness (at least as I perceived it) did not start toDay when she has really come under pressure.

Grah, I don't know...

Brinniel · 03-20-2009, 08:51 PM

++Lommy

Feanor of the Peredhil · 03-20-2009, 08:52 PM

++Lommy

Nogrod · 03-20-2009, 08:56 PM

Okay. I'm a bit worried about Gwath's explanations even if I know they can be lynch-magnets.

I'm also worried about Lommy. She seems to be a bit too defensive and vague. She just doesn't feel like honest. The problem being she has been able to pull off a "honest-look" as a baddie as well.

Fea and Brinn pose a problem for me. I thought they were good but now I'm not so sure anymore after I read Brinn's last one.

Because of yesterDay's voting I'd be ready to check also any of Nienna, Wilva or Dury... although with Dury I'm sticking to my earlier conviction that she has been one to come up with discussion and thence I would not like to lose her from this game...

EDIT: x'd with a host...

Nogrod · 03-20-2009, 08:30 PM

Just sending you what I had made of my "lengthier post" before things started to happen (editing out those parts that have now changed because of the latest discussions and which I have already commented on).

I haven’t gotten myself rid of my bad vibes with Dury but I’m the first to admit she does more than a host of other players around – and as the situation will start to clear a bit she could be caught if she’s a baddie. So on the point of a principle and a long term good I’m very much unwilling to check her loyalties by lynching her toDay, mainly due to her efforts today. She plays unlike many others do.

Also her points on Lommy (as well as those made by Mith) look sensible. It’s probably the first time I’m really uneasy with Lommy due to her posting. There is something overtly careful in her posts and in her avoidance of debate – unless it is defending her case which she does a bit over the top this time.

Mith’s point about that vote being one of her “most confident votes ever” looks interesting but innocent enough to me at this time. I mean she rarely lies even if she is a baddie... and that is a comment she would just not make if she would have to vote against her conscience.

The grumpy Mac looks to me more innocent than guilty. I think I do see where he is coming from and it makes me feel better about him.

Kath has just shown her qualities and I will not be voting her toDay. I trusted she could pull it off and well she did it eventually.

I’m inclined to trust Fea too – as well as Brinn. But I’m not sure why Fea lists Lari as a trusted one as well as there I do disagree. Just out-of-the-game friendship or something other?

With Nienna I would agree on Izzy feeling foul even if she looks good – and disagree with her on Rikae and say she looks foul but feels good.

Nerwen · 03-20-2009, 08:24 PM

YAY!!!!1111!!!!

Another great dilemma!

Gwath...?
Lommy...?
Gwath...?
Lommy...?

Let's see:

Gwath did that strange thing (pointed out by wilwarin) of voting someone he didn't list in the "most suspicious" category. Then, toDay, his manner has been off...quite a lot like a Gwathwolf... but then Lommy is going after him heavily, and she doesn't feel right either.

(somebody else...?)

Mac is acting rather like he's trying to tell somebody something... bit like Mac Ferny a couple of games back...
Mith is too confident...
and Rikae is too confident in voting her...
Durelin has mostly seemed okay, but there is that Day One apparent slip– I don't think she's explained that properly...
And Nogrod has been kind of jumpy and weird, though not so much lately...

Decisions, decisions!

EDIT: x'd since Brinniel at #554. So much reading to catch up on! Cool!

Gwathagor · 03-20-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Then, toDay, his manner has been off...quite a lot like a Gwathwolf... but then Lommy is going after him heavily, and she doesn't feel right either.

I've explained this already! My manner - it seems insubordinate, but it isn't really.

03-20-2009, 08:02 PM	#2
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Hmm...does anyone know what the vote count is as of now? __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

03-20-2009, 08:05 PM	#3
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Thinlomien: 2 Gwath: 2 Mith: 1 I think that is it, at any rate. __________________ Stories and songs.

03-20-2009, 08:22 PM	#6
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Ok, I have to vote very soon. I will probably vote Lommy, unless something crazy happens to change my mind. __________________ Stories and songs.

03-20-2009, 08:25 PM	#7
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	I still don't really know who to vote for... I'm leaning toward either Gwath or Mith ... Gwath is posting a lot but he it doesn't seem like he is contributing much and what he is saying seems to be trying to hint in his posts as they don't make a lot of sense but I won't hold random posts against him as it may be a posting requirement but i still think he is secretly communicating and that makes me slightly nervous. Mith is like gunning against Lommy and I and yet she gives like no reasoning which makes me nervous. She also said that I'm irritating... I don't think I'm being irritating but if I am... I'm sorry... X-ed with Gwath and Nerwen __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

03-20-2009, 08:30 PM	#8
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Lari. I had read it meaning, you thought there were more than one of each. Which is what I was asking. Must've read it wrong then. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

03-20-2009, 08:36 PM	#9
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	I could vote for Lommy or wilwa. I'm uncomfortable with wilwa and the fact that Shasta chose to pursue out of anyone else just makes me suspect her more. I also find Lommy suspicious and would definitely rather see her die than Gwath. Gwath just looks like the easy lynch of the Day (as always) and people are too eager to jump on him simply because of his posting style. After all, it's his attitude that always seems to make him so lynchable in every game. So I think going after him for that reason alone is very poor indeed. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

03-20-2009, 08:41 PM	#10
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Agh, almost lost track of the time...but here I am. I can't believe there are so many left to vote still, but it does always seem to end up this way. I will probably either vote for Lari or Lommy but I'm going to look over the latest stuff real quick...

03-20-2009, 08:47 PM	#12
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	So if we continue to not lynch Gwath because of his posting style even when it sounds really guilty then he could slip by as a wolf. I, personally, am not comfortable with this. Maybe if I knew his playing better I would make a different decision... but maybe not. ++ Gwath __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

03-20-2009, 08:50 PM	#14
Lariren Shadow Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Where the day meets the night Posts: 607	Vote Count: Mith→Lommy Kath → Lari Lommy→ Gwath Bubbles→Lommy (2) Wilwa→ Gwath (2) Rikae → Mith Nienna--> Gwath (3) Gwath 3, Lommy 2, Mith and Lari 1 Left to vote: Lari, Fea, Brinn, Nog, Izzy, Nerwen, Dury, Gwath, and Nilp __________________ Choose treachery, its more fun!

03-20-2009, 08:51 PM	#17
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	++Lommy __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

03-20-2009, 08:52 PM	#18
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	++Lommy __________________ peace Last edited by Feanor of the Peredhil; 03-20-2009 at 08:53 PM. Reason: x'd Brinn

03-20-2009, 08:56 PM	#19
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Okay. I'm a bit worried about Gwath's explanations even if I know they can be lynch-magnets. I'm also worried about Lommy. She seems to be a bit too defensive and vague. She just doesn't feel like honest. The problem being she has been able to pull off a "honest-look" as a baddie as well. Fea and Brinn pose a problem for me. I thought they were good but now I'm not so sure anymore after I read Brinn's last one. Because of yesterDay's voting I'd be ready to check also any of Nienna, Wilva or Dury... although with Dury I'm sticking to my earlier conviction that she has been one to come up with discussion and thence I would not like to lose her from this game... EDIT: x'd with a host... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

03-20-2009, 08:24 PM	#21
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	YAY!!!!1111!!!! Another great dilemma! Gwath...? Lommy...? Gwath...? Lommy...? Let's see: Gwath did that strange thing (pointed out by wilwarin) of voting someone he didn't list in the "most suspicious" category. Then, toDay, his manner has been off...quite a lot like a Gwathwolf... but then Lommy is going after him heavily, and she doesn't feel right either. (somebody else...?) Mac is acting rather like he's trying to tell somebody something... bit like Mac Ferny a couple of games back... Mith is too confident... and Rikae is too confident in voting her... Durelin has mostly seemed okay, but there is that Day One apparent slip– I don't think she's explained that properly... And Nogrod has been kind of jumpy and weird, though not so much lately... Decisions, decisions! EDIT: x'd since Brinniel at #554. So much reading to catch up on! Cool! __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo. Last edited by Nerwen; 03-20-2009 at 08:27 PM.