Game Thread: Werewolf- this time it's real!

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

What?

You've posted a ton toDay (at least by toDay's standards). Not that this is by definition a bad thing but...I don't know, Aganzir is striking me as awfully fishy.

Okay I have posted more than most, but I hadn't said almost anything of substance when Greenie started to suspect me. Really. Her suspicions came out of thin air.

Originally Posted by Kuru

its that some of the things she's said haven't made much sense and she's been rather inconsistent.

Elaborate.

I hate justifying a vote by throwing around some random generalized half-accusations.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Caught up on events.

Shall let Nienna catch up while I think about what I've read.

[Aganzir]

I might want to vote and go to sleep in an hour.

I'm thinking of voting for Kuru. With my normal vote. I'm not that enthusiastic about getting him killed or saving myself.

It's mostly the title of his first post. If you can't beat em, join em... It has nothing to do with the content of the post and looks like a cobbler hint. I can see an innocent posing as the cobbler in order to confuse the wolves (I've been thinking about it myself, too), but in the long run it's not of much use as it will confuse other innocents equally.

I always get into arguments about the importance of finding the cobbler, but Kuru's response to my comment about it seems weak. He indicates that the cobbler wouldn't want to leave traces although in truth it's probably quite the contrary. Normally the cobbler would like the wolves to guess his identity in order not to be killed by them.

And when I said it's as important to find the cobbler as the wolves, I didn't mean finding Gríma should become our prior task. I've just been in too many games where everyone has said "we can take care of the cobbler later" and so the cobbler is never taken care of.

Also, his post #229 sounds... forced. Or detached. Like, "Ha if she was a wolf she wouldn't question me like that, therefore she's a safe vote, hmm what reasons could I come up with?"

Of course the bad thing is that so few people have posted enough substance for me to form an opinion.

[satansaloser2005]

So just because I'm not here it means you people can slack off, eh? I think not~!


*whips you all into shape*


Get to work baddie catching, slackers! I need to scamper around and listen to what's been said toDay before I decide who to vote for (or rather, against) but I shall be in your midst until the close of the Day.

[Nienna]

*am now all caught up*

Ok so now that I've read everything so far I still have no real suspicions.

Nog was vaugly making me a bit nervous if only because he was so insistent on us all begining to start theorizing and discussing but this may be just a normal Nog thing to do.... I don't know but it just stood out to me.

Agan seems like she is acting cobblerish because she is discussing the role a lot but it also seems like she could be the focus of a bandwagon which never really ends well...

Kuru's post title thing that Agan brought up was a good point though I don't know if it means anything or if it was just in fun...

I will refrain from voting for newbies or from people having internet trouble for obvious reasons. I should be around till deadline or at least near deadline so I will continue to watch and see who's up to what... I have no real strong inclinations for any voting yet though.

[Kent2010]

Formendacil

Can you explain what you mean a bit deeper here, Kent? More specifically, the bit about "the ModGod's selections."

I don't know how each person chooses to operate, but from one of the places I did read where the roles were selected from a mix of random and picked choices. I don't know anything about the phantom, but from the structure of the game, it looks like he wants a thoughtful, strategy based game. There is the new addition of the bonus votes, the evil and good roles have slightly different abilities, or extra powers available than the traditional roles. So, I assume he would want to see some of these new facets used and how they are used. If someone did not show up to the Day -1 portion, I would wonder if they were still in or not.

This might all be moot now, because it was before all the revelations about technical problems. I am not saying anyone is using it as an excuse (there is a nasty computer virus travelling around the US - I remember it was on the West Coast I think 2-3 days ago), just saying I was going by the rules that if someone does not participate/vote they are modfired and was wondering if we should lynch someone who is going to be modfired, because that would theoretically give us extra days.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Kent2010

Formendacil

I don't know how each person chooses to operate, but from one of the places I did read where the roles were selected from a mix of random and picked choices. I don't know anything about the phantom, but from the structure of the game, it looks like he wants a thoughtful, strategy based game. There is the new addition of the bonus votes, the evil and good roles have slightly different abilities, or extra powers available than the traditional roles. So, I assume he would want to see some of these new facets used and how they are used. If someone did not show up to the Day -1 portion, I would wonder if they were still in or not.

This might all be moot now, because it was before all the revelations about technical problems. I am not saying anyone is using it as an excuse (there is a nasty computer virus travelling around the US - I remember it was on the West Coast I think 2-3 days ago), just saying I was going by the rules that if someone does not participate/vote they are modfired and was wondering if we should lynch someone who is going to be modfired, because that would theoretically give us extra days.

Fair enough... I am mollified, I guess, insofar as I don't know you, so I can't distinguish between newbie covering (especially since, were that so, you could assisted by PMing with the other Wolves) and honesty--but at for know, I'm mollified. Though, I suppose, if you are a wolf, and you die, we should be looking for people who posted on this thread between those two posts to find someone who potentially might have been a PM partner.

Hmm... that might actually be an interesting gambit: lynching Kent to see if he's a wolf. It's tenuous grounds, to be sure, but that's sort of the prevailing atmosphere.

[Kent2010]

Kuru

Out of everyone toDay she seems to be acting the most suspicious to my mind. Its not because she's been talking a lot, its that some of the things she's said haven't made much sense and she's been rather inconsistent.

Funny thing is, if I were to judge you, Kuru, based on your reasons, you're suspicions aren't making much sense.

You don't provide any examples, I get the feeling a lot of vague blanket accusations are tossed around on Day 1, but I would imagine any person who is innocent and genuinely wants to help has a logical reason for suspecting someone as "feeling strange" or "not making any sense."

But I don't know what about Agan isn't making sense? She's explained the title thing, she made a perfectly relevant statement regarding the seer would find Grima an Ordo. The only inconsistency you pointed to was in your first post, about Froldo or whoever.

I don't agree with everything Agan has said (as evidenced by our interaction today), but we should make a clear distinction between disagreeing with someone, and someone "not making any sense." Then saying that not making any sense = baddie.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Kent2010

I don't agree with everything Agan has said (as evidenced by our interaction today), but we should make a clear distinction between disagreeing with someone, and someone "not making any sense." Then saying that not making any sense = baddie.

Speaking of sense, there is some here. I'd say that wolves tend to be more consistent than non-wolves, since they tend to be more careful about what they say, since their façade of innocence is, indeed, a façade. When a wolf gets inconsistent, the inconsistency tends to result more from the wolf attempting to cover up a slip--and even if Agan has been inconsistent (which is not my impression*), she has not given the appearance, to me, of attempting to cover up. More along the lines of exasperation explanation--I'll grant, of course, that an experienced player can make the two look the same.


*Of course, given my thesis that wolves are more consistent than innocents in their views, this, of course, ought to incline me MORE toward thinking that Agan is a wolf.

[Aganzir]

But now I'm really planning to go to sleep.

My main suspects at the moment are Kuru and Fea.

Kuru because just what is the point of a cobblerish post title unless it's intended as a hint? If he was innocent, he'd think twice before doing it. Yes he might want to try to mislead the wolves and make them think they have found the cobbler, but he also misleads us. He should know that kind of behaviour might get him lynched. He should know that kind of behaviour is harmful to our wolf hunting. If he's innocent he should feel very bad because he has just caused me to practically waste my day.
Plus his reasoning is bad. Some things I've said don't make much sense? Then, darling, you're supposed to ask what I mean (and just "What?" doesn't count as that). I've been inconsistent? I can say I started laughing aloud when Kent brought up the Frollo inconsistency.
Plus he looks somehow detached.

I'm toying with the idea of giving all my bonus votes for him at once. Then at least they wouldn't be wasted if you guys decide to kill me. (Oh joy if I'm Pippin!)

If I die you are so going to lynch him, right?

As for Fea, it's simply that she should know better. She seems to be intentionally misinterpretting me (that "Am I still too obscure?" question) and exaggerating things I've said (that smilie thing). Well yes if she's a wolf who thinks she has spotted the cobbler (Kuru), it's just reasonable she votes for the one who is against him and has already two votes.

And I don't like the bandwagon against me. Yeah I'm an easy lynch because I've spoken the most but still. The whole thing looks too easy. Kuru & Fea's votes were too easy.

The people I like at the moment are Form (he's nice to me) and Kent (he's either a good newbie or receives advice via PM. I'm inclined to think the former, given how he reacted to Kuru's accusations of me).

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Nienna

Agan seems like she is acting cobblerish because she is discussing the role a lot but it also seems like she could be the focus of a bandwagon which never really ends well...

I really don't see anything cobbler about Agan, but this is Day 1, so anything's possible. I agree, however, that this bandwaggon is somewhat distressing, as bandwaggons on Day 1 often are. Under other circumstances, it's possible I'd be inclined to go along with it, simply for lack of any better reason to vote, but in this particular case it doesn't sit right with me.

Granted, I suppose I might be a bit biased--Agan has indulged my silly side the last couple Days, but I'm willing to vote elsewhere simply on the basis of rewarding Agan for her entertainment value.

My general principle at this point (ie: the point where I've no good reason to vote for anyone) is to vote for the players that I can never, ever, make my mind up about. The players around here that fit this bill best are probably Nogrod and Shasta.

But I'll readily grant that's a sorry reason to vote for anyone in such REAL circumstances.