Paper Topic?

[Gwathagor]

Well, it looks like I'll be writing on the importance of the 3 Elven Rings to the story of LotR. This topic might be a little tricky because there isn't much explicit information given regarding the Three, but I think there are enough clues and hints for me to work up a doable outline.

There is a line in The Council of Elrond: "Those who made them did not desire strength or domination, but understanding, making, and healing, to preserve all things unstained." I think this is the key to understanding the Elven Rings - both how they work and their role in the story. I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Well, it looks like I'll be writing on the importance of the 3 Elven Rings to the story of LotR. This topic might be a little tricky because there isn't much explicit information given regarding the Three, but I think there are enough clues and hints for me to work up a doable outline.

Certainly and original topic, but I guess that's what makes good papers. I would really like to know how it turns out. Best of luck with it, Gwath.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

There is a line in The Council of Elrond: "Those who made them did not desire strength or domination, but understanding, making, and healing, to preserve all things unstained." I think this is the key to understanding the Elven Rings - both how they work and their role in the story. I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts.

Well there are the obvious paralels with the Silmarils and their links with the elements Water, Air, and Fire, and the particular skills of their owners, you might want to make reference also to the Elessar since that was also made by Celebrimbor. That is just off the top of my head but your topic touches on something I am currently researching for myself so I will PM you if anything strikes me as I proceed with that.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Well there are the obvious paralels with the Silmarils and their links with the elements Water, Air, and Fire, and the particular skills of their owners, you might want to make reference also to the Elessar since that was also made by Celebrimbor. That is just off the top of my head but your topic touches on something I am currently researching for myself so I will PM you if anything strikes me as I proceed with that.

The connections between the Rings and their Bearers, and the consequent roles that their Bearers play in LotR I think should feature prominently in the paper, since the point is to relate the Rings to the story of LotR, and not just write about the mechanics of Middle-earth. In other words, I can't get too nerdy.

I am assuming that there is evidence in LotR of the power of Three Rings at work. My job is to find it, and then use it to demonstrate why the Rings and their Bearers are important are significant as part of the story, not just as figures.

Some examples of the power of the Rings that have occurred to me are as follows:
-Galadriel uses Nenya to construct/preserve Lothlorien. This is an example of the quality of making.
-Elrond is referred to as the greatest healer in Middle-earth, an ability no doubt due in large part to his Ring.
-Gandalf specializes in fire, and bears the Ring of Fire.
-The power that Elrond is described as having over the valley of Rivendell is another example.
-All three Bearers are very wise and form the core of the White Council. I think this shows the power of the Rings for understanding.
-Elrond seems to have intuited Aragorn's wish when he summoned the Dunedain and sent them to Aragorn's aid. I can't remember whether Galadriel was involved in that, but could this kind of farseeing perception be another effect of the Ring?
-Hmmm...Galadriel's Mirror is made of water and Nenya is the Ring of Water, sooo maybe there's a connection?

I am sure there are others that I am missing.

It might be a good idea to contrast the role that the Three Rings play in the story with the other Rings - the Nine, and maybe the One as well.

[Gwathagor]

I wonder if "understanding, making, and healing" apply to all Three Rings equally, or in varying degrees? I also wonder if each Ring has very specific powers? Any ideas?

[Mnemosyne]

Don't forget about Gandalf's Insta-Hope skillz during the Siege of Gondor. That has to be Narya at work.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Don't forget about Gandalf's Insta-Hope skillz during the Siege of Gondor. That has to be Narya at work.

Ah, that's a good point.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

-Gandalf specializes in fire, and bears the Ring of Fire.

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Don't forget about Gandalf's Insta-Hope skillz during the Siege of Gondor. That has to be Narya at work.

Quite - let's not forget the the fire of Narya was not mainly just the physical fire, but the so-called "kindling of the spirit" (and I guess that was more important than the physical fire itself!). I guess there was quite a lot about it somewhere - either in the "Of the Rings of Power and Third Age" or in the Istari essay.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Quite - let's not forget the the fire of Narya was not mainly just the physical fire, but the so-called "kindling of the spirit" (and I guess that was more important than the physical fire itself!). I guess there was quite a lot about it somewhere - either in the "Of the Rings of Power and Third Age" or in the Istari essay.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. I reckon said spirit-kindling is the chief role that Narya plays in LotR.

[Mithalwen]

Gwathy - it is getting late for me here but I will be thinking about this ...don't forget the reference to the stars being clearer over Rivendell - and that Earendil is Elrond's dad . Galadriel captures the light of Earendil but in water and her realm is protected by water - and is where time "holds still" - thought I think the mortals also find it hard to keep time in Rivendell. Understanding - well Gandalf yes but he also as a maia connected to Olorin inspires great deads and has the association with dreams - possibly inspiring Faramir's dream?


Sorry this is very stream of consciousness but I really should go home now!!!

[Gwathagor]

Hmph. Gwathy, forsooth.

[Mithalwen]

Sorry... I guess everyone shortened my name so much that I gave up minding or thinking others might .... but still a little ungrateful Master Gwathagor

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Sorry this is very stream of consciousness but I really should go home now!!!

Thanks for the suggestions!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Well, it looks like I'll be writing on the importance of the 3 Elven Rings to the story of LotR. This topic might be a little tricky because there isn't much explicit information given regarding the Three, but I think there are enough clues and hints for me to work up a doable outline.

There is a line in The Council of Elrond: "Those who made them did not desire strength or domination, but understanding, making, and healing, to preserve all things unstained." I think this is the key to understanding the Elven Rings - both how they work and their role in the story. I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts.

Impressive indeed. Perhaps you could keep us briefly informed, too? And of course, you can consult.

I pretty much envy you (of course, like probably many of us do ) to write on such topic anyway.

If I may suggest (if you wish me to, of course), I think you are right about the line - last year, I was actually also writing a paper on ethics where I discussed LotR and the problem of power, now it seems this concerns your topic as well - going around the quote you pointed out, that the Elven Rings, of all, were not supposed to dominate, but to preserve, and now you can link that perhaps to the overall decay of Arda (preservation, the "Long Defeat", whatever). Also, I'd perhaps think it worth considering to think of the scene(s) in Lórien - mainly what Galadriel says, including the fact that the Dark Lord suspects where the Ring is, but does not know - and the light sees into the heart of the darkness, but itself it remains hidden (cf. Frodo on Cerin Amroth). Well, just general ideas, perhaps it will spark some thoughts in your mind (unless you have already thought of that yourself, of course ).