Tapestry of Dreams, Part 2 Discussion - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

mark12_30 · 04-23-2009, 05:30 AM

I would still like to consider that Tharonwe (as he gets worserer and worserer) be an integral part of some sort of reversal. Wouldn't it be amazing if he still, somehow -- somehow-- repented? I know, not totally pure Tolkien, but-- even Tolkien longed for it, with Gollum.

Nimrodel has renounced Tharonwe and thinks she is safe from his wiles now, but once Amroth departs, and Erebemlin and Taitheneb are exhausted, and all eyes are on Nimrodel to see what she will do-- he will have another opportunity. I imagine Raefindan will be reticent to interfere at that time, because this is really a test for Nimrodel. So she needs to be able to stand against Tharonwe. There may perhaps be one last firestorm.

How will Tharonwe come out of it?

Oh. Indil growing-- she's just responding to the passing of the seasons, namely while Nimrodel wept over her faithlessnes to Mithrellas. Enchantment covered all of them and the time flew by, but still, a year went by, Faerie style (Mellondu and Mellonin and all the Rohirrim and mortals will return home after years, not months) and it grew Indil (and visibly aged the now wretched Maegeleb).

The only growth spurts she needs to have will correspond to any more winters and summers. I'm not sure whether we will need any more or not.

mark12_30 · 04-23-2009, 06:06 AM

Afterthought: ....But Indil's growth need not be ONLY from the passing of time. Your call. Would you like to do something with it? Could be profound. What does Angela think of all this? Striking any chords in her?

littlemanpoet · 04-23-2009, 09:22 AM

Okay, I get it now. I like it. Wow! A whole year goes by and they don't even know it!?!? How are they fed? .... or does Faerie take care of that?

As to Angela/Indil, wow. That threatens to strike deep chords in me. I don't know what's there but whatever it is, is powerful and dangerous to touch somehow - but that's my

- - - oh.

It seems to have to do with my oldest sister who was stillborn. Wow. I didn't realize until right now that that's who Angela is. At least that's the connection for me. Which makes me wonder, who is Roy? Something to mull about.

Tharonwë can be that evil. I sort of see him possessed by something beyond/worse than he originally was . . . some evil minor Maia?

mark12_30 · 04-23-2009, 07:45 PM

Amazing what this stirs, isn't it? The 'old' Nimrodel and I have, or had, too much in common...

Yes-- Faerie takes care of all that. Recall that Melian and Elwe Singollo (Thingol) stood in the forest together enchanted (by each other? By Melian?) for years while the -- was it the Teleri? -- Searched for him, never found him, and departed without him.

BUt I really took it from George MacDonald. He uses it over and over again.

mark12_30 · 04-24-2009, 07:30 PM

I think I need to backfit a thing or two in the last couple of posts. She can't sing just yet-- something isn't finished-- without one or two more things getting tied together...

mark12_30 · 05-05-2009, 07:34 AM

I know I haven't posted. I know I have to make something happen. I just... can't. At the moment.

littlemanpoet · 05-05-2009, 09:52 AM

I can wait. I don't visit the Downs so much anymore, soon to be done. So I have my email set to be notified whenever someone posts on a subscribed thread, of which I have just 4. So I can wait.

04-23-2009, 05:30 AM	#1
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	I would still like to consider that Tharonwe (as he gets worserer and worserer) be an integral part of some sort of reversal. Wouldn't it be amazing if he still, somehow -- somehow-- repented? I know, not totally pure Tolkien, but-- even Tolkien longed for it, with Gollum. Nimrodel has renounced Tharonwe and thinks she is safe from his wiles now, but once Amroth departs, and Erebemlin and Taitheneb are exhausted, and all eyes are on Nimrodel to see what she will do-- he will have another opportunity. I imagine Raefindan will be reticent to interfere at that time, because this is really a test for Nimrodel. So she needs to be able to stand against Tharonwe. There may perhaps be one last firestorm. How will Tharonwe come out of it? Oh. Indil growing-- she's just responding to the passing of the seasons, namely while Nimrodel wept over her faithlessnes to Mithrellas. Enchantment covered all of them and the time flew by, but still, a year went by, Faerie style (Mellondu and Mellonin and all the Rohirrim and mortals will return home after years, not months) and it grew Indil (and visibly aged the now wretched Maegeleb). The only growth spurts she needs to have will correspond to any more winters and summers. I'm not sure whether we will need any more or not. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

04-23-2009, 06:06 AM	#2
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Afterthought: ....But Indil's growth need not be ONLY from the passing of time. Your call. Would you like to do something with it? Could be profound. What does Angela think of all this? Striking any chords in her? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

04-23-2009, 07:45 PM	#4
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Amazing what this stirs, isn't it? The 'old' Nimrodel and I have, or had, too much in common... Yes-- Faerie takes care of all that. Recall that Melian and Elwe Singollo (Thingol) stood in the forest together enchanted (by each other? By Melian?) for years while the -- was it the Teleri? -- Searched for him, never found him, and departed without him. BUt I really took it from George MacDonald. He uses it over and over again. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

04-24-2009, 07:30 PM	#5
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	I think I need to backfit a thing or two in the last couple of posts. She can't sing just yet-- something isn't finished-- without one or two more things getting tied together... __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

05-05-2009, 07:34 AM	#6
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	I know I haven't posted. I know I have to make something happen. I just... can't. At the moment. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

04-23-2009, 09:22 AM	#3
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Okay, I get it now. I like it. Wow! A whole year goes by and they don't even know it!?!? How are they fed? .... or does Faerie take care of that? As to Angela/Indil, wow. That threatens to strike deep chords in me. I don't know what's there but whatever it is, is powerful and dangerous to touch somehow - but that's my - - - oh. It seems to have to do with my oldest sister who was stillborn. Wow. I didn't realize until right now that that's who Angela is. At least that's the connection for me. Which makes me wonder, who is Roy? Something to mull about. Tharonwë can be that evil. I sort of see him possessed by something beyond/worse than he originally was . . . some evil minor Maia?

05-05-2009, 09:52 AM	#7
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I can wait. I don't visit the Downs so much anymore, soon to be done. So I have my email set to be notified whenever someone posts on a subscribed thread, of which I have just 4. So I can wait.