WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[Mithalwen]

Boro you aren't making sense. If I were a wolf why would I have drawn attention to the Hansel and Gretel factor which everyone else seemed to have forgotten? Why would I have draw attention to the fact that Shasta had made himself a bit of a liability to the Village? If I were a wolf I woudl have wanted any other lynched and hoped that Shasta was Little Red Cap.

And on that subject since Nienna and Lommie were ordos that means Shasta, if he is telling the truth has a one in three chance of being Little Red Cap. Uneasy lies the head that wears the Red Riding Hood....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Side note: I meant to post this two hours ago, but had to run off to organize my horribly complicated life.

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Kath-

Lari is Jenny, Mira is Ashley.

Have fun!

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Perhaps Lommy was a safe kill. She didn't really stand out, at least not to me, though to be fair, I wasn't really around to notice much. I know you guys have mentioned it, but I thought I'd add my thoughts on that.

Here's what's going on in my head: the bad guys don't all have the same skill set/needs. The wolf is searching for Red, Rumplie is trying to avoid the attention of the chick whose baby xe stole, and they're all, as far as I can remember, trying to avoid being dreamed (duh) or guessed by a Lover.

And so I'm thinking that Lommy was killed less because she stood out - there are too many people that the bad guys *need* to kill - and more because they need to kill a bunch of people and may as well not leave a trail.

Now if the baddies are playing hard to get, it's not necessarily a sign that they have any particular personality. Just that they're capable of laying low.

I don't want to replace Nerwen as Captain Obvious but the bad guys want the Lovers around just as much as the village does: neither side wins if the Lovers survive, right? So maybe the wolves though Lom was half a Lover pair? That's who I'd have gone after if I was a bad guy- someone I thought was a standalone enemy. That or the seer. I mean, the seer is obviously a major target, but in this game, with so many roles, I'd be hard pressed to figure out as a wolf who I'd kill first, and that's sad since my typical playing strategy is to think "What would the wolves do?"

Sorry, my brain just shut off. Too much going on. I need to finish getting ready for my last big college shebang (at least the last one I actually care about), and that requires things like lip color, heels, and carefully chosen undergarments.

I'll be back later, hopefully with a functional mind.

[Mirandir]

Here and reading.

[Mirandir]

Nienna? Really guys? Why? At this rate I'm never going to get to play a proper game with her...

So Lommy. Well, my first thought (and this is based completely on past games) was that Niennawolf had killed her in retaliation for not liking her playing style or something to that effect. Then I remembered that Nienna was dead before Lommy. And she was an ordo. So fail on my part on both counts.

I would go through and analyze what Lommy said before she died, but that has apparently already been done. So instead, I will work on a suspicion list. Be back shortly.

[Kath]

I would go through and analyze what Lommy said before she died, but that has apparently already been done.

Doesn't mean you're not allowed to do it either! Don't fall in to the trap of believing what everyone else says.

I am going to have to vote early again toDay, as in by about midnight my time. I'll be around for a while though. Have a look at the Nienna voters and see what's been going on toDay.

[Lariren Shadow]

Voting early again because I won't have internet access again for awhile and am sleepy.

++Boro

I don't like the way he sounds as of right now.

[Mithalwen]

Maybe the London players should go here!

http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/events...form/18495.htm

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Maybe the London players should go here!

http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/events...form/18495.htm

I was at the Tate Modern yesterday too! Gah can't believe I missed it!

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Mirandir

I was at the Tate Modern yesterday too! Gah can't believe I missed it!

To be fair I htink it starts tomorrow for the long bank holiday weekend. Anyway other than the subject it is OT so ... but I hope you are having a lovely time.. the wather is being kind at least ....

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

So the wolves didn't go for Shasta, eh? I thought they might have. Interesting... well? Did you honestly think I'd go a game without suspecting you, sir?

So Boromir's "oft-quoted" vote and its meaning: I realised soon after that the stakes were different there, seeing how you had a number of votes yourself. Yeah, I didn't pay too much attention to the danger you were in. I'm still a bit uncomfortable with how you said it, but: saving yourself, that's ok with me.

Actually phantom, I don't think you want to hear much more from me. There are far too many players here muddying the waters. It might be best to just sit back, let a few folk die, and take it from there. We'll have a lot of info to work with two days hence.

Kidding... (sort of).

As to Nienna's death: she shouldn't have made that horrible vote.

As to the wolves killing Lommy, I reckon they just tried to get lucky and struck for a famous name. Besides, she's played in far too many Werewolf games - it's not like she'll be hurt by being the First Wolf Feast. Of course there could be info in her posts, but in a village this big I don't think the wolves are looking for explicit Seer messages.

[Mirandir]

Sally - Was surpringly unvocal (is that even a word?) yesterDay, has only posted once today. She did say she was having internet issues, though, so she's okay for the time being.

Mira - Well, ya know. Or maybe you don't. It's certainly not my job to tell you.

Gaurcrist - Hasn't made an appearance that I've seen thus far.

Boro88 - I was fairly certain I was going to end up Night killed because of the suspicion surrounding Boro and myself yesterDay what with the hinting that he was the cobbler and I was a wolf or vice versa. However, the fact that I wasn't killed makes me even more suspicious. Not necessarily of him, but in general.

Kath - Epic failed at meeting us so we should lynch her. =P Just kidding. Nothing really on her.

Fea - Nobody's said that Fea looks suspicious yet. That generally means that she's evil. It's always when no one thinks she's suspicious that she's really evil and ends up fooling us all right until the end.

Mith - Is apparently a hormonal woman. I won't hold that against her for now, but if such behavior continues beyond toDay I'll be looking into it.

the phantom - Is phantom. I can never get a read on him.

Analysis of others might come later when I'm not trying to do three other things at one time.

[Mithalwen]

Mira I am fine today now that Phantom and Boro aren't being tiresome... at least I thought I was..... Well Boro is being fairly tiresome and the fact that he is fixated on me rather than say on someone who got an ordo killed might be annoying.

At the risk of sounding equally monomanic... Shasta.... either lying or 1/3 chance of being LRC. If LRC I'd bet the ranch he has been turned.

Love to hear what he has to say...

[Aganzir]

Okay so I've read everyone's posts but Boro's (and okay I admit I didn't read phantom's posts very carefully, either) and I doubt I have time to do it today.

Guilty
Gwath. How serious was the suggestion that Boro was trying to pass Mira off as a gifted? The comment about Fea stealing his vote doesn't look good - like, he wants to make sure people don't think he's bandwagoning. I don't know, I can't put my finger on it properly, but I don't like it. Now he voted for Boro again because of that same Mira thing. Basically he's spoken a lot without really saying anything.

Izzy. Voted for Shasta because of saying unwise things to the BBW, and brought forward the possibility of him bluffing. She questioned Nerwen's suggestion that Boro & Eomer being confused points to their innocence, and said it's easier for her to imagine they were faking it. Also, the way she started her first proper post today looks somehow forced or too self-conscious: "Nienna and Lommy? I suppose better than losing gifteds."

Greenie. To be honest I was a little taken aback by her aggressiveness on day 1, she seemed to react pretty strongly to some minor comments. I don't understand why she found it weird that Lommy and I considered each other innocent - we're pretty good at reading each other as long as we don't let quarrelling cloud our vision. Also, she reacted quite strongly to Shasta's ordo claim, saying it was a wolfish thing to say.

Originally Posted by Green

even if it was an honest reveal he might have been LRC.

Okay I don't know if I'm reading too much into this, but to me that might have been LRC looks like Greenie is slipping she knows Shasta isn't.
Her flip-flopping on Cab and Shasta makes her look better though, if she's a wolf I'd expect her to keep pursuing them.

Lari. Why were you suspicious of Lommy on day 1? She suspects people (Boro & Mith) because of how they sound. That's pretty easy because that way she can get away without elaborating (except if she was suspecting me ). Apart from that there's nothing to go on.

Fea. Surprisingly quiet. I didn't like her day 1 vote which sounded over-explanatory, and Lommy's death could point at her being a wolf.

sally. I don't like her "tempted to lynch phantom just to see if he can be lynched on day 1" comment, it looks like she's sort of testing the ice to see how many people would be willing to lynch a player who's dangerous to the wolves if innocent. Also, I don't like her vote for me. Or, voting for someone on day 1 because of a weird feeling would be okay, but I don't like it that she continues with her suspicions today without even trying to explain them. It's such an easy way, as well as her suspicion of Eomer because the tone of his posts "looks wolfish". So sally care to elaborate about me?

Mira. Easy vote on day 1. Today she voted for Fea because she must be evil since no one has suspected her thus far. I understand she's busy but she's playing it too easy and needs some pressure put on her.

Innocent
Inziladun. Seems genuinely helpful and his opinions look innocentish. I'd imagine a newbie wolf to be tenser.
Eomer. I don't think he'd bluff about the Reddie thing (or would he? I've played just a couple of games with him), so it most likely points to his not being a wolf. Looks pretty innocentish anyway.
Kath. Her arguments look innocent and she comes across as genuine.

Neither
Mith. I keep flip-flopping on her. Her suggestions on day 1 looked really innocent. The way she went after Shasta (flip-flopping on whether she thought he was a wolf or an ordo) was weird, though. But I have a hard time seeing her as a baddie because then she would probably have read the description of Reddie in the rules more closely. I'm maybe a bit more inclined to think she's innocent, but I really don't know.
Cab. It's ages since I've last played with him but he seems to be louder than usual. He doesn't offer many opinions about players though. Cab what did you mean when you said you could see what Boro was trying to do with "this"? All in all there's too little serious material to go on.
Gaurcrist. Too little to go on.
Nerwen. There's surprisingly little to go on but she looks honest. She made a good point about Boro & Eomer's confusion about Reddie pointing to their innocence. If she was anyone but Nerwen, she'd be on the innocent list.
Shasta. Voted for Boro on light grounds, which could have got him lynched. I don't think the ordo comment was suspicious in itself but it's definitely dangerous in case he is/was really an ordo. If he had been a wolf from the start, he'd probably know when the deadline is, and I just wouldn't expect him to bluff that. I don't know what should be done with him now, though. The wolves probably tried him last night so it's possible he's a wolf now. He's been more talkative/substantial today than he was yesterday, but he also looks innocentish. Like, quite relaxed. And no I'm not angry with you!
Boro. Quite frankly I can't read him. I don't think a wolfish Boro would have got confused about the way Reddie is turned, though, and bluffing it doesn't seem like something he would have done. I must read his posts before saying anything definite though (not that I think it will help much).
phantom. I'm not able to figure him out so I leave him be for now.

I've been keeping an eye on the thread so technically I don't cross post with anyone, but I haven't paid much attention to what's been said.

[Lariren Shadow]

Really Nienna? Isn't that the second time she has been killed on Day 1? Poor Nienna.

First some replies:

phantom: because i wasn't going to be around for pretty much all of the Day. As I stated. On the admin thread. And I had to vote for someone and I was confident that the villiage would not lynch you Day 1. Hence my vote. And for how much I'm going to be around SPONTANIOUS LONDON TRIP HAPPENED SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE AROUND MUCH CAUSE I'M IN LONDON AND NOT NEAR A COMPUTER LIKE MIRA. Sorry...I had a good day today.

And I had a reply to Lommy...but then she died so clearly that's not going to work out. And she was the one that I was most suspicious of yesterDay.

Other than Lommy, who is now dead, I didn't like how Boro was sounding yesterDay and he's still sounding that way toDay. Its just I feeling I get when I read his posts.

Mith isn't looking too good to me either but then again all that there is a few suspicions for Day 1. I just don't like how she sounds either.

Bah this is really not helping with my whole I should vote soon.

Originally Posted by Kath

Hey all I am around! Have been trying to sort out this meet with Lari and Mira 'cause thanks to the 'Downs and it's decision not to send me emails things got confused. By the way, those in the know, what are the real names of those two? It would be useful to know by tomorrow!

Anyhoo, hi. Am here, will be reading.

Yes I'm Jenny and Mira is Ashley. And tomorrow. Yes.