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Eomer of the Rohirrim · 05-23-2009, 09:37 AM

That is an interesting point, Jeff, and welcome to the Downs.

Does the experience of the parents in re seeing the trees mean that their children somehow gain the 'light', so to speak. I'm really not sure.

As for Gil-Galad, I reckon he was certainly not as powerful as Fingolfin, though very powerful all the same! Fingolfin wounded, though was not able to kill, Melkor - in fact, he was killed by Melkor. Gil-Galad, on the other hand, slew Sauron with Elendil - at the cost of their own lives (at least, this is my reading of Tolkien - I know Isildur has devoted followers ready to ascribe him credit in this matter

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But the hereditary passing of the light of the trees? Anyone?

Elmo · 05-23-2009, 09:46 AM

Didn't Elendil and Gil 'wrestle' with Sauron and throw him down? Then Isildur cut the fingers with the shards of narsil. That's my very hazy memory of reading about their encounter. Maybe in the bit at the back of the Silmarillion.

narfforc · 05-23-2009, 10:17 AM

You are correct Elmo, however I believe it was only one finger, the ring finger which was cut off. The children of the returning Noldor born outside Aman would probably be Umanyar and therefore Moriquendi. Only those Elves who came to Aman during the days of the Two Trees are Calaquendi, so Gil-galad is not an Elf of the Light. I think that JeffF is also correct.

Elmo · 05-23-2009, 11:05 AM

Yeah that's what I meant.

There are four fingers on the black hand etc.

LadyBrooke · 07-04-2009, 03:15 PM

The interesting thing about Tolkien's definition of Calaquendi as someone who had seen the two trees is that by extension it means that anybody born in Valinor after the fall of two trees is also one of the Moriquendi (sp? my Tolkien books are all in my mom's car). Thoughts?

05-23-2009, 09:37 AM	#1
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	That is an interesting point, Jeff, and welcome to the Downs. Does the experience of the parents in re seeing the trees mean that their children somehow gain the 'light', so to speak. I'm really not sure. As for Gil-Galad, I reckon he was certainly not as powerful as Fingolfin, though very powerful all the same! Fingolfin wounded, though was not able to kill, Melkor - in fact, he was killed by Melkor. Gil-Galad, on the other hand, slew Sauron with Elendil - at the cost of their own lives (at least, this is my reading of Tolkien - I know Isildur has devoted followers ready to ascribe him credit in this matter ) But the hereditary passing of the light of the trees? Anyone? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

05-23-2009, 09:46 AM	#2
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	Didn't Elendil and Gil 'wrestle' with Sauron and throw him down? Then Isildur cut the fingers with the shards of narsil. That's my very hazy memory of reading about their encounter. Maybe in the bit at the back of the Silmarillion. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

05-23-2009, 10:17 AM	#3
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	You are correct Elmo, however I believe it was only one finger, the ring finger which was cut off. The children of the returning Noldor born outside Aman would probably be Umanyar and therefore Moriquendi. Only those Elves who came to Aman during the days of the Two Trees are Calaquendi, so Gil-galad is not an Elf of the Light. I think that JeffF is also correct. __________________ [B]THE LORD OF THE GRINS:THE ONE PARODY....A PARODY BETTER THAN THE RINGS OF POWER. Last edited by narfforc; 05-23-2009 at 10:31 AM.

05-23-2009, 11:05 AM	#4
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	Yeah that's what I meant. There are four fingers on the black hand etc. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

07-04-2009, 03:15 PM	#5
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	The interesting thing about Tolkien's definition of Calaquendi as someone who had seen the two trees is that by extension it means that anybody born in Valinor after the fall of two trees is also one of the Moriquendi (sp? my Tolkien books are all in my mom's car). Thoughts? __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.