WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Eomer

When I say "Why would it matter if we killed Mith rather than any other innocent", I refer not to Izzy or any particular villager.

Not twisting - paraphrasing.
It sort of looked like you slipped Izzy is innocent or something. And no, I didn't see you were talking about the beginning of the day. If there was something that indicated so, point it out, please.

Originally Posted by Zil

I don't recall her showing up again that Day. That, coupled with her unobtrusivness made me suspicious.

Usually if people don't show up, it's for real life reasons. And well in my opinion Kath is not as much of a background lurker than some people who might have more posts than her (say, Mira & Gwath).
Yes you did give your reasons there, but they were more like describing what Kath's been doing and raising a single single thing that looked weird to you.
And as for keeping her in mind, that comment looked pretty opportunistic. Like, "I'll keep her in mind and start suspecting her again if someone else does, too, but if not well then I just forget about her!"
If Eomer is evil Zil might be worth a closer look.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Agan, this is the second time you've said this and I'm no less confused than the first time. Since when is flip-flopping an innocent tell? Especially since I know I've seen you make cases on Lommy based on "flip-flopping".

Well not flip-flopping itself but the way she did it. If she's a wolf, I would imagine it's more useful for her to continue pursuing you and Cab.
And you know, my cases against Lommy are a matter of their own, in those I use her every single word against her.

I agree with Gwath about Mira's case. She basically went through what Fea has said done, reached no conclusion and said she's still suspicious of Fea.

I must think about my vote...

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Usually if people don't show up, it's for real life reasons. And well in my opinion Kath is not as much of a background lurker than some people who might have more posts than her (say, Mira & Gwath).

As yet I do not have past histories of players to rely on and am pretty much learning as I go.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Yes you did give your reasons there, but they were more like describing what Kath's been doing and raising a single single thing that looked weird to you.
And as for keeping her in mind, that comment looked pretty opportunistic. Like, "I'll keep her in mind and start suspecting her again if someone else does, too, but if not well then I just forget about her!"
If Eomer is evil Zil might be worth a closer look.

I thought my reasoning no flimsier than that used by others when people have actually been lynched. To each his (or her) own, I suppose.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

As yet I do not have past histories of players to rely on and am pretty much learning as I go.

Pardon? I mean, how does that relate?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Pardon? I mean, how does that relate?

Agan seemed to say that Kath did not have a tendancy to be a shadow haunter. I read it to mean 'in Kath's history as a player', of which I don't have much information. If she meant 'in this game I don't see her as a lurker', my statement was not relevant and I humbly retract it.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Agan seemed to say that Kath did not have a tendancy to be a shadow haunter. I read it to mean 'in Kath's history as a player', of which I don't have much information. If she meant 'in this game I don't see her as a lurker', my statement was not relevant and I humbly retract it.

Ok, I see. Thanks for the clarification.

EDIT: Whoa ho ho. 2000 posts as of now!

[Inziladun]

I should probably vote now, as I didn't sleep much the previous night and there's a possibility I won't hear the alarm or will turn it off without waking up.
I don't care for Mira's reason for voting Fea. It appears to be based entirely on past experience playing with her, and is that really what we need at this point if the good guys are to win?
Izzy is a possibility too. She voted early for Mith (2nd vote), than expressed anger that she had not been around at the deadline to retract. She said she had not expected a bandwagon effect. Why vote for someone if you don't want them lynched? She claimed to have not noticed Shasta's miscount. She berates him for voting Mith and not giving good reasons, when her reason was that all Mith's posts were 'empty filler', 'banter', and 'spam'.
I'm about to fall asleep in my chair now, so it's

++ Izzy

Edit- 1000 posts!!!!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Not twisting - paraphrasing.
It sort of looked like you slipped Izzy is innocent or something. And no, I didn't see you were talking about the beginning of the day. If there was something that indicated so, point it out, please.

Well, there was nothing to indicate it; you're making assumptions about my meaning, and then asking me to prove myself. If I don't answer this then I look more suspicious to you; now that I am answering it, I'm coming across as defensive to everyone else (and you too, probably). But oh well, I wouldn't have it any other way.

I have said nothing, nothing, to do with Izzy. I was speaking about Mithalwen only. I asked "Why would it matter if we killed Mith over any other innocent?" - this means: What made Mithalwen special?

You skipped over the whole point of the sentence and saw meaning in the superfluous words at the end: you have Izzy on the brain, I think, even if some of us don't.

And that does it: now I'm going to have to judge Izzy's case. Was it last game I helped get her lynched? Let's see what happens now. She's been *cliche alert* flying under my radar *end cliche* so far.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

And is anyone going to speak about why Mithalwen wanted to kill Shasta? What was that all about?

Now: apologies for this, but it seems no-one else is around. I will now disappear for a couple of hours at least.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

And is anyone going to speak about why Mithalwen wanted to kill Shasta? What was that all about?

Still there? I've said it already: she must have had a strong hunch and/or been persuaded of the validity of her own reasoning.

She can't have known he was evil... not in her role.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

As per Izzy's ultimatum (stop giving me ultimatums, dearheart, or I'll be forced to post your real name in this thread for everyone to see!), I will be voting someone I have voiced suspicion on. Whee.

++Eomer

....Oh come on. It was only a matter of time.

[Nerwen]

ToDay will set a new record for dodgy voting (2-1)

Why, how nice of you to join the party, Shasta!

Seriously, has there been one single vote so far that hasn't been really, really questionable?

EDIT:X'd with Eomer.

[Isabellkya]

Shasta, when and where did I give you an ultimatum? Sorry to say, but you don't scare Christina. Hah!

Honestly, not the direction I figured you to vote. But I see. Doesn't make you any less foul.

Really Eomer, lynching me on the off-chance I am a wolf? At least try to come up with a valid and rational case.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Disagree with it all you want but there's nothing irrational about it. I'm not saying I'm for it but it's an option for the village.

[Isabellkya]

Going on voting along, and disregarding reasons.... When I say lead, I mean whom would end up getting lynched.

Day One

Lari -> Phantom
Boro -> phantom 2
Mira -> Sally
Mith -> phantom 3
Kath -> Lommy
Sally -> Agan
Fea -> Boro
Gwath -> Boro 2
Nienna -> Fea
Shasta -> Boro 3
Lommy -> Shasta
Eomer -> Nienna
Boro -- phantom 2
Izzy -> Shasta 2
Zil -> Nienna 2
GReenie -> Shasta 3
Mith -- phantom 1
phantom -> Lari
Lommy -- Shasta 2
-> Nienna 3
Boro -> Nienna 4
Caber -> Nienna 5
Agan -> Shasta 3
Mith -> Shasta 4

Boro puts phantom into an early lead. Mith adds to it. Shasta puts Boro in the lead about halfway through the votes. Boro retracts and keeps himself in the lead. Greenie puts Shasta in the lead. Lommy puts Nienna in the lead with her retraction and revote. Boro and Caber propel Nienna further into the lead. Agan and Mith try to bring Shasta back.

Greenie putting Shasta in the lead - is either a mate hopping on the wagon to make herself look better in the future; or they aren't mates at all.
Caber looks like he was hopping on the wagon.
_________


Day Two

Lari -> Boro
Guar -> Boro 2
Kath -> Eomer
Mira -> Fea
Boro -> Mith
Sally -> Eomer 2
Gwath -> Boro 3
Izzy -> Mith 2
Shasta -> Mith 3
Zil -> Kath
Nerwen -> Izzy
Agan -> Izzy 2
Mith -> Izzy 3
phantom -> Izzy 4
Greenie -> Mith 4
Eomer -> Shasta
Caber -> Mith 5

Gaur puts Boro in the lead. Sally puts Eomer in the lead. Gwath puts Boro back in the lead. Shasta puts Mith in the lead. Mith puts Izzy in the lead. phantom furthers Izzy into the lead. Greenie puts Mith back in the lead. Caber furthers Mith in the lead.

Greenie's, phantom's, and Caber's votes look the most wagon hoppish.
________



Out of both days, I think Caber looks pretty bad for his wagon hopping votes; not to mention he was involved in lynching two innocents.


I know I had another point to this, but I feel my brain starting to shut down.


X'd since Nerwen's #467.

[Isabellkya]

Aganzir - She is foul. She looks really helpful and has been on the consistent road thus far, until toDay.

Why didn't you use that as your reason yesterDay? How did one comment about reading the Miss Red particulars, turn into plural things? Why would I do such a thing when I thought Boro innocent, and Eomer no idea? How is my suspicions of Shasta weird? He has been exhibiting foul behavior. On Day One, you were quite ready to lynch him for damage limitation. Damage limitation because he either was your mate, or would become your mate? Shasta received attention eh? Like the attention a Rabid Wolf gives to an ordo when turning them to the dark side? That kind?

Caber - I don't really know what to make of him. His Day one and Day Two votes look quite bandwaggony, and that is about all I can say towards him.

Eomer - He is puzzling me. He seems quite noncommittal, and content to stay that way. To make quick forays into the world of suspicions, then retreat quickly back. He definitely follows the current fad.

Fea - You know. Good Question.

Gaur - I think him probably innocent.

Greenie - Quite in the middle for me. She doesn't stick out in any way. I'm tending to lean innocent at the moment.

Gwath - Save for some early identity-crisis, I have no read on him.

Izzy - EyeZeeZeeWhy

Kath - She is still alive, so I think her guilty. She hasn't tried lynching me yet, so I think her innocent.

Lari - Feel better.

Mira - Her case on Fea is weak. Other than that, I don't know what to say about her; given that she didn't continue to give me a reason to vote for her.

Nerwen - She is looking innocent, middle of nowhere to me. I can't recall if she has made a complete list of her thoughts on everyone.

Phantom - I think he is off his game.

Shasta - He is foul. I wouldn't expect him to be so sloppy, unless he is an Ordo wanting to be turned, or the Cobbler.

Zil - He seems to be middle of the road, with leaning guilty. He goes with the flow of what other people say a bit too much.

X'd since Nerwen's #483

[Isabellkya]

Indeed, Izzy is still here.

The maniacal laughter. It was an epiphany moment.
Well you see, I believe I've got three of four Nefarious baddies. Five if you count the Cobbler, since they can still take out Cinderella.
Which is why I said it couldn't be that easy.


X'd with Kath.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Awesome. The game is won!

[Isabellkya]

I KNOW! Huh?!?!

The jury is still out on whether I'm capable of trusting my own epiphanies at such an hour. Then again at such an hour, I get a bit loopy. You know what they say about loopy people.



X'd with Nerwen.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

The maniacal laughter. It was an epiphany moment.
Well you see, I believe I've got three of four Nefarious baddies. Five if you count the Cobbler, since they can still take out Cinderella.

...Well? You can't just leave it at that.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Aganzir - Eeeeevil? I always wish I was the seer so I could learn people and then lay hints.

Caber - I've seen some of his votes look dodgy.

Eomer - Welcome back, brash darling. But I still want to know why Mith was so confident in you and so against Shasta. Apart from Shasta looking dodgy, I mean...

Gaur - New kid. *shrug*

Greenie - I forgot she was even playing.

Gwath - I wish he'd explain what put him off of Aganzir. I know why I think she's dangerous and it reflects much of the flippancy others have noted, but it was Gwath that bolded that snatch of writing, right? And my reaction was, "Wait... what's wrong with what she said?" And it looks like nobody else really got his aha moment either.

Izzy - Eye don't particularly zee zee why. But I'm pretty sure she's inventing. I'm with the others about wanting to kill her to find out what she's on about.

Kath -

Lari - Ill. And since I have to bring her poor illness home after a long flight, I'll be nice to her. Besides: she hasn't done anything to make me feel like I need to lynch her anyway. She comes across as totally innocent (if not unGifted).

Mira - Made a weak case against me, most likely out of desperation to make some sort of case at all.

Nerwen - I keep getting Nerwen's posts slightly confused with Izzy's, so it's possible that I actually think Nerwen's the one that's been acting off her rocker, and am just attributing it to the wrong person in my mind.

Phantom - I concur. Off his feed.

Shasta - Is amusing me to no end with his shenanigans, but is also concerning me because when I see somebody start emulating the phantom, I assume that person is trying to get killed. Robber Bridegroom? *reminds self to check roles and rules yet again to see what's possible*

Zil - Doesn't really say or do anything to stick out to me. In fact, the most noticeable thing about him is his very bright avatar.

Since I don't think Izzy is actually the seer (I - it should be a given - think somebody else is), I am forced to assume she's either protecting somebody or she's evil.

Or both.

Blah.

I really loathe games where I'm nothing particularly special. I get bored with my lack of inside knowledge.

++Izzy

It's also a given that I'd like to avoid the noose. So yes: I'm voting partly to save myself, and partly because her actions freak me out.