Ancalagon vs Gothmog - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

ares834 · 06-07-2009, 08:01 PM

True. I guess I always thought Ancalagon was greater than Glaurung.

Anyhow, where is Gothmog called "most powerful and most important servent". I have heard Sauon called the greatest servent, which is not neccesarily the most powerful, but I have never heard this of Gothmog.

Eönwë · 06-09-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ares834

Anyhow, where is Gothmog called "most powerful and most important servent". I have heard Sauon called the greatest servent, which is not neccesarily the most powerful, but I have never heard this of Gothmog.

So is it not a physical battle then?

Whichever it is, Gothmog wins. He is a Maia and the leader of Morgoth's armies whereas Ancalagon was just a dragon, albeit a very powerful one.

The Might · 06-10-2009, 09:39 AM

Ares, I think you're wrong underestimating Gothmog's role.

Gothmog was High Captain of Angband and Marshall of Morgoth's troops making him basically the military second-in-command to Morgoth, whilst Sauron was also very important, but played more a domestic role rather than a front-line one.

So, these two together, were the most important servants.
Who was more important, is up for debate.

Morthoron · 06-11-2009, 06:21 AM

Single Balrogs can be defeated by determined foes (Ecthelion defeated Gothmog, and then there was Glorfindel and Gandalf). I think in single combat Ancalagon would beat Gothmog. After all, Earendil did not defeat Anacalagon singlehandedly, as he had the great eagles aiding him (I'm still trying to figure out how one stabs a winged dragon from the prow of a flying ship).

In any case, the point is moot because these two would never have come into conflict in a Tolkien-told tale.

Tuor in Gondolin · 06-11-2009, 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by Morthonon
(I'm still trying to figure out how one stabs a winged dragon from the prow of a flying ship).

Easy. He pairs with whoever the current Eagle leader is
and uses the Thach Weave

. (see World War II
dogfights).

The Might · 06-11-2009, 01:25 PM

Meh... I wouldn't be so sure... I personally don't see how Ancalagon could defeat Gothmog.
Yes, Ecthelion did it, but he did so using a trick, noth through "normal" combat, I don't know how Ancalagon would manage that. I mean, his fire wouldn't be of use I guess, since Balrogs are creatures of flame and shadows. The only thing would be trying to bite him or maybe pick him up and let him fall from a certain height, but I don't see him being able to do either thing with Gothmog hitting him with his axe and the whip.

Erendis · 06-12-2009, 12:39 PM

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I don't see him being able to do either thing with Gothmog hitting him with his axe and the whip.

Well,since it is mentioned that Smaug could fly so quietly that he could avoid being noticed,why couldn't Ancalagon do so?Come ouy of the blue and grab Gothmog!

Anyway,althogh Ancalagon is more elegant,in any other term,Gothmog is superior!

Oh,and let us not forget the cases of Glaurung and Smaug-both killed by one single person,a Man.

06-10-2009, 09:39 AM	#3
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Ares, I think you're wrong underestimating Gothmog's role. Gothmog was High Captain of Angband and Marshall of Morgoth's troops making him basically the military second-in-command to Morgoth, whilst Sauron was also very important, but played more a domestic role rather than a front-line one. So, these two together, were the most important servants. Who was more important, is up for debate. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

06-11-2009, 06:21 AM	#4
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,515	Single Balrogs can be defeated by determined foes (Ecthelion defeated Gothmog, and then there was Glorfindel and Gandalf). I think in single combat Ancalagon would beat Gothmog. After all, Earendil did not defeat Anacalagon singlehandedly, as he had the great eagles aiding him (I'm still trying to figure out how one stabs a winged dragon from the prow of a flying ship). In any case, the point is moot because these two would never have come into conflict in a Tolkien-told tale. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

06-11-2009, 01:25 PM	#6
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Meh... I wouldn't be so sure... I personally don't see how Ancalagon could defeat Gothmog. Yes, Ecthelion did it, but he did so using a trick, noth through "normal" combat, I don't know how Ancalagon would manage that. I mean, his fire wouldn't be of use I guess, since Balrogs are creatures of flame and shadows. The only thing would be trying to bite him or maybe pick him up and let him fall from a certain height, but I don't see him being able to do either thing with Gothmog hitting him with his axe and the whip. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

06-07-2009, 08:01 PM	#1
ares834 Newly Deceased Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3	True. I guess I always thought Ancalagon was greater than Glaurung. Anyhow, where is Gothmog called "most powerful and most important servent". I have heard Sauon called the greatest servent, which is not neccesarily the most powerful, but I have never heard this of Gothmog.