WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[wilwarin538]

Boro what you are saying does make a bit of sense, but I still don't like it. When the wolves choose someone to kill they don't run the risk of killing one of their own, we do. So we should take every possible oppurtunity to try and get a wolf, that's the whole point of us lynching someone. And this whole gaining a day thing is not guaranteed, at all, we have no clue at any time what the ratio is between the good guys and the bad guys so likewise we can't try to figure out how many days we possibly have left, so we shouldn't waste them.

Some of what you say does make sense, and I know we could have just ended up lynching another innocent, but I still don't like that we lost the chance of getting a wolf. Makes me very uneasy.

Anyway, I don't want to talk about that anymore, it's making me dizzy with all the statistics and stuff. I'm going to read back through yesterDay and toDay and come back with a list eventually.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Boro what you are saying does make a bit of sense, but I still don't like it. When the wolves choose someone to kill they don't run the risk of killing one of their own, we do. So we should take every possible oppurtunity to try and get a wolf, that's the whole point of us lynching someone. And this whole gaining a day thing is not guaranteed, at all, we have no clue at any time what the ratio is between the good guys and the bad guys so likewise we can't try to figure out how many days we possibly have left, so we shouldn't waste them.

I'm of the same mind. I understand the point Boro is trying to make and I'll not 'argue' about it anymore, but I've no regrets about not latching onto the Mira train.

[Boromir88]

Oh fishsticks, we messed that up...didn't we? (You can check this thread though, where I admit to not being good at math)

The good news is, now Mac, I know you are not crazy and are just trying to mess with my head (i.e. not the co-conspirator). Although, ye may be a mutineer, considering my own feelings about Nogrod and you going after him early, now for some unknown reason trust him...care to explain?

As well as feeling really good about Wilwa and Inziladun, because of their responses to me.

Lommy and Mith are under my watch too.

[Boromir88]

Another point of interest...

I remember a recent past history, actually arguing the same thing before that if someone will be mod-fired, why not lynch them that day anyway.

I believe I remember Gwath disagreeing with my what I called 'conservative' approach...at least I think it as Gwath. If it was, care to explain the change Gwath?

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Another point of interest...

I remember a recent past history, actually arguing the same thing before that if someone will be mod-fired, why not lynch them that day anyway.

The point is that in this game, if you wanted to be conservative then the sensible thing to have done since Mira was going anyway would have been to double killed someone and got a concrete piece of information which we so desperately needed. All that happened is we lost a kill chance - not a raincheck because we can't take it later.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Okay, I can't say much of Eomer's death. Even if the mutineers hadn't believed Greenie's claim and therefore killed Eomer for seeming seerish by blaming an evil Mira it does not give us any clues as Mira is dead.

I be wonderin' –were there too much risk in killin' another on us? These swabs be main careful 'bout leavin' a trail... belike there's trails to be left, if ye get me drift.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

The last time I saw an argument like the one that took place yesterday, there were innocent and guilty ones on both sides - even though I was rather forcibly saying no innocent can advocate wasting a lynch by voting a person who's to be modfired. So I'm hesitant to judge which party is more innocent (even though I know which party was right ).

Aye, happen there's bad 'uns on both sides.

But 'tis this way: them dogs o' mutineers would liker support the lynch o' Dancin' Mira if one o' they was set to walk the plank else. Arr, 'tis main hard that there be no easy way o' finding out what Annu or Shasty be. Makes a power o' difference.

I'll tell ye what us will find along o' them as lynched Mira –leastways very like– an' that's co-conspies. They be as much adrift as we, an' main afeard o' lynchin' one o' they allies.

I reckon I mark the voyage yer a'speakin' of, an' 'twere a co-conspirator as put for'ard the plan o' lynchin' som'un as were leavin' anyhow in th' first place.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I be wonderin' –were there too much risk in killin' another on us? These swabs be main careful 'bout leavin' a trail... belike there's trails to be left, if ye get me drift.

I am not fluent in pirate but I can't see there is much risk to the aggressors with the seer dead. They can kill anyone they like at night unless the protector gets lucky and can vote for who they like during the day knowing that unless we double kill the identity of the lynchee will not be revealed to incriminate them.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

The point is that in this game, if you wanted to be conservative then the sensible thing to have done since Mira was going anyway would have been to double killed someone and got a concrete piece of information which we so desperately needed. All that happened is we lost a kill chance - not a raincheck because we can't take it later.

No matter who we lynch we won't get any concrete information, unless we kill the person again. That's the only way we can get some sort of concrete information, as well being sure the mutineers' kills aren't mutineers. However, that isn't too helpful seeing as ghosts can't vote.

And seeing as supposedly our spy is dead...well we're pretty screwed unless the hunter gets a kill, or the Ranger saves someone. All we can do is really take some blind shots in the dark based on feeling, or people's behaviours.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I be wonderin' –were there too much risk in killin' another on us? These swabs be main careful 'bout leavin' a trail... belike there's trails to be left, if ye get me drift.

A good question, but it would take a lot of rereading to prove or disprove it... but if someone is willing to do that, why not.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

But 'tis this way: them dogs o' mutineers would liker support the lynch o' Dancin' Mira if one o' they was set to walk the plank else. Arr, 'tis main hard that there be no easy way o' finding out what Annu or Shasty be. Makes a power o' difference.

Okay, Nerwie, you made me change me mind - I'll go to reread some of yesterDay (even though the pirate talk kind o' gives me headache yarr).

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

No matter who we lynch we won't get any concrete information, unless we kill the person again. aren't mutineers. However, that isn't too helpful seeing as ghosts can't vote.

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Boromir, did you read what I said or are you the ship's parrot?

[wilwarin538]

A quick little list, don't really like that I'm lacking in suspects.


Sally - not too too much from her, she makes me uneasy like always, but not enough to really vote for her

Boromir - not big on his choice to lynch Mira, but it's not enough to really find him suspicious, he makes a good case and obviously thinks it will help the crew in the long run, so I won't hold our difference of opinion against him.

Rikae - Kinda the same as Boro, and yesterDay I mentioned not liking her tone but after re-reading it I don't really see it as being the way I thought. I don't know, I'm on the fence here.

Lommy - Fine.

Inziladun - Fine with him so far, I've tended to agree with him.

Shasta - hmmmm, well he's defensive, but that's not new. So I don't really know about him.

Annu- got nothing, I must have missed something cause I don't know why everyone finds him so suspicious, I'll have to go back and find it I guess

Mac - I've been agreeing with him aswell, with the whole Mira thing. I was good with him before that anyway though.

Nerwen - because of Greenie's reveal I'm gonna go ahead and think innocent

Kath - Good with her.

Gwath - Haven't liked either of his votes. So I'm still suspicious of him.

Nogrod - Good with him.

Izzy - Makes sense, don't really have too much on her.

Mith - Fine.

Eönwe - I remember yesterDay he seemed quick to not trust Greenie and Nerwen, I voted him for that. I'm gonna go back and re-read his stuff later today.

Well, those are just my quick thoughts for now. I do think that atleast one person who voted Mira yesterDay has to be bad, even though there is a tad of logic behind it I don't think it's something that only innocents would agree too. On the other hand if she was being modfired anyway and is innocent (hypothetically) a baddie may have pushed to lynch someone else in order to get 2 people out of the way at once. So it's a tough situation really.

So I'll be back yet again in another few hours with more specifics on certain people. Just checking in here and there to try and keep up so that I don't have pages upon pages to read all at once tonight.

[Rikae]

Snifflin' Mac, you're still wrong. We don't know which of those scenarios we're in, since the ranger or hunter might or might not influence it, but even gaining an extra night phase would help us. Games have been decided in the night phase before. A 50/50 chance on a lynch or ranger/hunter pick on Day//Night x is still better than a shot in the dark on Day 2.

I agree with you, though, that the baddies are probably not among those who are being scrutinized right now. I would like a closer look at the following:

Kath
Lommy
Wilwa
Gwath
Izzy
Sally

I'm betting that group is disproportionately skewed toward evil.

[McCaber]

Wow, being out of commission for a few days really throws you behind. I will read from where I left off, and see if I have anything to contribute.

[Annunfuiniel]

Oh headaches! I wish I had boarded a whole another ship... I've been reading and re-reading and nothing makes sense anymore! How on earth do you guys and gals go on with no sure knowledge of anything that has happened so far?? May be this is too big of a bite for me to swallow...

So what can I say (without rousing another wave of suspicions against me)? Not much I guess. But some points seem valid enough to say out loud:

About Boro: he's awfully loud and making such a fuss about everything that I rather deem him a co-conspie... I didn't like his "sacrificing" himself somewhere during day2, when hoping to be voted by someone (Mith?) (perhaps it was a bad joke - and perhaps not) and his voting during day1 was rather queer too. But I think he's making too much noise to be a wolf? Wish I had been in the same crew with him before to know how his mind works...

And what about Nog then? His vote for me early today tells tales. But especially as he seems to have had suspicions about me since day1! Giving me the benefit of a doubt as I'm a newbie (day1), not wanting to vote me when there are some other (and more experienced or loud?) suspects (day2) and then attacking me without further ado (day3). Guess my newbie status won't save me anymore...

Mac the mathematician still gives me gray hairs but I've no real reason thinking him foul. Maybe its just his interaction with my main suspects? Wish I had something other to offer than gut instinct!

Nerwen is ok, so far as we don't take her as an absolutely certain innocent. Same goes with Eomer and Greenie - most likely not baddies.

I still can't get rid off my suspicions about Shasta but will delay any action against him for now. His little skirmish with Rikae shouldn't perhaps weigh so much in my scales but that's the most tangible thing I've found thus far. Though things have calmed down since.

Lommy doesn't say much about anyone or anything but seems quite certain about the reasons why Eomer was killed by the aggressors. Inside knowledge perhaps? Doubts Nog is a co-consp but gives no reasons. So co-conspirator protecting a wolf or the other way round? Or plain innocent giving us good counsel??

Wish I had the time to make a coherent and complete list but alas! I should be packing my things and going to bed for tomorrow will be one hectic day to say the least...

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Annunfuiniel

About Boro: he's awfully loud and making such a fuss about everything that I rather deem him a co-conspie... I didn't like his "sacrificing" himself somewhere during day2, when hoping to be voted by someone (Mith?) (perhaps it was a bad joke - and perhaps not) and his voting during day1 was rather queer too. But I think he's making too much noise to be a wolf? Wish I had been in the same crew with him before to know how his mind works...

And what about Nog then? His vote for me early today tells tales. But especially as he seems to have had suspicions about me since day1! Giving me the benefit of a doubt as I'm a newbie (day1), not wanting to vote me when there are some other (and more experienced or loud?) suspects (day2) and then attacking me without further ado (day3). Guess my newbie status won't save me anymore...

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Hi Annu, Boromir often tries to stir things up to provoke a reaction if he is an ordo - has been lynched early often for this, however he is far too good as a villain to take it as read....

[Isabellkya]

As much as we are used to certainties upon death.
I don't see how people want to write off such and such person as certainly this role/alignment - so quickly.

Yes, there could be a higher likelihood of person A being innocent because of reason(s) xyz. Yet you can't say it is for certain.

Zil - would those regrets have anything to do with it being a fiery topic toDay?


Is there something going on between Nog and Mac? Yes. What is it? Remains to be seen.

Boro is added to the mix as well.


X'd with Boro x2 and Nerwen.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Zil - would those regrets have anything to do with it being a fiery topic toDay?

I said I had no regrets about not going along with the Mira lynch, despite passionate defenses of it by Boro and, to a lesser extent, Rikae..