WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Sally

By the way, why are you now green?

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[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

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Gotcha.



*runs from the skwerls*


ETA: Cookies for the first person to guess why my new icon is what it is. That is all.

[Rikae]

As for suspecting Kath, she's been lying low, but what she has done (see "word twisting" post on day 1) seems geared toward stirring up controversy without being caught in the middle of it - a decidedly wolfish move.

EDIT: Sally: what does the text say? My vision isn't that good.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

As for suspecting Kath, she's been lying low, but what she has done (see "word twisting" post on day 1) seems geared toward stirring up controversy without being caught in the middle of it - a decidedly wolfish move.

EDIT: Sally: what does the text say? My vision isn't that good.

Honestly -and I feel awful saying this, but it's true- I suspect her because she's still alive. Don't get me wrong, I love playing with the dear girl but normally she's wolf chow. Of course it could be a plot to set her up, so I don't know.



(It says 'curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal'. I know, the text is a bit small, but it covered part of the character otherwise. Yay Firefly/Doctor Who!)

[Kath]

Here til about half 11 (my time) now, will be posting on and off as I catch up.

So before anything else I think I'll answer Rikae as I didn't get a chance to before about the twisting words thing. This is where it came from.

Shasta posted this:

Arr, what be the particklar pros 'n cons o' exorcisin A Little Drunk fer good 'n all? Belike 'n I don' wonder if'n discov'rin the wench's true ident-watchacallit cud on'y be good fer us!

From which I gathered: what do people thing the pros and cons of double-lynching Greenie would be, good just for us or good for the wolves too?

Rikae then said:

Shasta, that be treacherous talk. Arr, I see no point in double lynchin' anybody until doin' so is likely to give us some really useful information. We double lynch Greenie, and we're either rid o' a cobbler (who can't do much harm now anyway) but don't know anythin', or we have proved Nerwen's innocence, but later in th' game, a double lynch o' th' right person will probably benefit us a lot more. I thought ye were bein' framed by th' aggressors, but now I be havin' second thoughts. Arrr.

Which I thought was a good list of cons, but that the 'treacherous talk' business was a bit odd.

Annu then jumped on to that, quoting the 'treacherous talk' bit with:

Aye, me notions exactly! Try an' state yer reasons better fer double lynching Greenie, Shasta, or ye be makin' me more suspicious o' ye.

This I think is where I got the 'twisting words' from, because Shasta never actually said 'lets lynch Greenie again' yet that's what seemed to get later said. I think though that it was actually Annu who was twisting words rather than Rikae, but because Annu quoted Rikae I had assumed they were making the same point.

[Kath]

Right, let's have a look at the end of the Day where Rikae revealed because I missed that entirely. Think the reactions might be interesting.

Inzil - reacted with suspicion, said he didn't think Rikae was close enough to being lynched to need to reveal. Continues to question her. Votes Rikae. Does seem very, very certain that Rikae isn't telling the truth. I'd have wondered if he was the real Hunter trying to counter claim without actually coming out and saying it, but from the later narrations this is obviously not the case. So either a cobbler trying to cause confusion or an innocent who really didn't like the reveal!

Lommy - seems unsure over Rikae, basically ignores her for a bit.

Boro - defends her against Inzil. Says he trusted Rikae because of something he picked up earlier in the game.

Rikae - defends herself against Inzil, also says (apparently untruthfully) who she will be hunting. Interesting plan to almost throw out names to see the reactions. Don't think anyone really bothered defending either of the two names. But then it might be hard to separate whether those who didn't want her lynched were trying to save her or save the person she said she'd take with her, especially since unless there's a competing reveal the usual reaction to a reveal is to save the gifted. Looks like she believes her reveal has outed Inzil. From the posts after the reveal she says Gwath is evil, Izzy is a cobbler and Inzil might be, and sally looks ... just not a wolf or actually innocent, not sure.

sally - oh didn't see that before. sally said she was the protector. Oh, no she didn't ... apparently.

Izzy - there have actually been a couple of times when I've agreed with her about Nerwen possibly being a bit fishy. There was a point where she threw a new lynch candidate in when there were really too many already. Greenie did say she didn't know whether she was innocent or a cobbler. That said, since we don't know the roles after death and so don't know how many if any wolves we've lynched so far going for a cobbler is pointless.

Gwath - had some suspicion of Rikae for voting for the person she said she was hunting. The way Rikae phrased the point was odd but if the Hunter thought they were going to be killed and had someone they actually thought suspicious enough to take with them, surely they should vote for that person because if they weren't killed they would want that person lynched anyway because they think them wolvish.

Hmm, I would say from all that Boro looks pretty good. He had clearly picked up on Rikae potentially being gifted early on and had kept quiet about it. Inzil is an interesting case. Izzy (I think) said that he'd fake revealed before which might explain his automatic suspicion. He kept the disbelief up pretty consistently, which is why I can't decide between cobbler and innocent. Izzy's attempt to add a person to the suspicion list who can only be cobbler or innocent (if you believe Greenie was the seer) is a bit suspicious.

OK, posting this then looking at Day 4. Is anyone apart from me at risk from modfire toDay by the way?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Kath

Is anyone apart from me at risk from modfire toDay by the way?

Gwath is as well.

[Kath]

So, the Day I missed entirely! A missed kill is odd. I don't think I've ever been in a game in which wolves have deliberately forgone a kill as someone mentioned. I think you'd have to have some very bold wolves to try that one. So I would guess either timezone based communication problems or an absent wolf was the cause there.

Inzil - begins by 'explaining not defending' his vote. It seems tone was a prevailing factor and I can see that. You have to remember sometimes just how people 'speak'. Rikae, Gwath, some others have quite an aggressive style that can sometimes cause over the top reactions from others.

sally - suggests wilwa might have been the kill anyway. Seems unlikely. The wolves surely want to kill as many as possible. If they knew wilwa was going to be killed why would they have gone for her? Or was wilwa a last minute pull out?

Eonwe - seems to agree with sally. Pretty much exactly actually. And then says nothing has happened. Oh I'm sure you could have found SOMEthing to comment on Eonwe? Does say Nerwen could potentially be a cobbler. Quite a few people coming to that conclusion it seems.

Lommy - ah it was her that suggested the apparent missed kill was deliberate. Also gets a little bit 'meta' in that it does become easy to suspect those who weren't around if you think it was a missed kill. Says Boro and Mac are just assuming that they 'know' the Hunter's picks, seems to find Mac more suspicious. Lots of reasoning for suspecting Mac. At least some people are putting their reasoning in!

Mac - suspicious of Gwath and Inzy but not much in the way of reasoning. Suspicion of Izzy but again no reasoning.

Boro - suggests it might be worth double killing since the wolves missed a trick. I'm not sure what he's trying to get at here. He says that the wolves have been killing their 'cover' as in the quiet players and so we might want to double lynch a quiet player to learn if one of them was a wolf I think, but I'd have thought that if the wolves were lynching quiet players they're more likely to be loudmouths because their 'cover' would actually be the louder players.

Rikae - ah my if she hadn't been shown to be the Hunter I would be suspicious of her! Now she's suggesting double killing after that utter refusal to consider it before. All out for slips toDay, she found a possible one from Lommy there, think Lommy just phrased it badly though.

Nerwen - says if the kill was deliberately missed then either sally, Gwath or Lommy is a wolf because they'd have considered killing her too much a risk. Fine, but then why wouldn't they have just killed someone else?

Mith - huh, really haven't heard much from Mith. Would assume she's a busy innocent as I've not noticed anything to make me think otherwise.

Shasta - this time actually does advocate a double kill! Hmm, says he agrees with Lommy but I think Lommy was *headdesking* by this point about people assuming wilwa was innocent so she might not have appreciated it.

Izzy - votes herself, apparently in annoyance. This I think could definitely be a cobbler tactic.

Waaaait one second - we DON'T know Rikae was the Hunter? I just read the narration and from it and Brinn's little note could it maybe have been the other way round? Well ... well that just changes everything! Ugh and I thought this couldn't get any more confusing. Right, I'm going to assume it was Rikae. Just because the thought of going back over all of yesterDay again fills me with dread.

Going on to toDay now.

PS: As for no mutineers and it all being a dirty trick? lmp has copyright on that from the original ATM RPG.