WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Isabellkya]

You keep digging yourself a hole Boro.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

You keep digging yourself a hole Boro.

You got a shovel, you can help me make it deeper.

[Thinlómien]

*raises an eyebrow*

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

*raises an eyebrow*

It's irritating because you would think people could tell when someone's trying to help or not. Then to get continually criticized for a decision you made, even after you spelled out in lots of detail why you thought it was beneficial.

You presume there's a right or wrong in how an "innocent" should act, and how a "wolf" should act, and whoever fits your presumptions, that's what you follow. But this is different, because this is a completely new set up, and it's annoying because there is an assumed "right" or "wrong" way how to win in this set up as an innocent. What did I say a couple days ago about "right" or "wrong?" In this set up there is none, because it is unfamiliar...and you have to decide between the lesser of 2 evils, but both cases suck. At least I made a decision and I could defend it, you would think whether someone agrees with you or not could see that.

[Boromir88]

I could see why you wished me to shut up Boro... Hopefully I've done enough damage toDay for you not wishing to pursue that any more.~Nogrod

I'm beginning to think I was wrong about you, and when I am, I will gladly admit it. Sometimes you have to get a little testy with people to figure them out, "I know that"

[Boromir88]

where we have already lost one lynch - you suggest we should lose another?~Nogrod

But that's the whole point of the disagreement! Whether we lost a lynch or not. Ok we did, but we either gained a day phase back, thus nullifying the loss, or a night phase allowing the Ranger and Hunter to make another choice. That's the whole point of the disagreement! You believe we lost something, Rikae and I showed the benefits of the decision and the fact that we didn't lose something.

As far as the double-kill, I said I would crunch the numbers, but it's virtually impossible to determine how many days we have left. To which I said, we may justh have to continue to go in the dark.

[Nogrod]

So Lommy raised an eyebrow for you? And that merited the kind of defence?

Over-reacting, aren't you Boro?

Heh, saw your last before sending this... "Testing" is the backbone of any game but also the most controversial thing to do - and also dangerous at times (if others join it before you have a chance to assess the reactions).

But yes, you know it and I know it... and many around know it.

And I have no vote in my hands anyway (thank God, it would be really hard to decide toDay).

Now off to Arda Football for a moment and then to sleep - via a look in here.

PS. Losing a possibility to lynch a mutineer twice in a game as mad as this where we have no clue is no question of different goodie-philosophies; it's a difference between good and evil...

Let's discuss that more later if you feel like it, but I'm off for a while now...

[Isabellkya]

Nope, no reason to.

You can though. I'll even sprinkle some pepper on 'em to make them go down smoother. xD

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Nope, no reason to.

So the "one time" that person didn't have evil intent and you were the ranger is this game, then?

When you're in no danger of being lynched toDay, and have failed to protect anyone (therefore having no knowledge to offer us) you claim to be ranger?

Oh, and the votes are spread all over the place, people! At this point in the game, this is really a bad idea- wolves and cobblers can control lynch! Get your act together

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Wait a second, wait a second. How is lynching Mira (danger of being modfired) any different than lynching Gwath (danger of being modfired) and why are people flipflopping on the issue?

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Wait a second, wait a second. How is lynching Mira (danger of being modfired) any different than lynching Gwath (danger of being modfired) and why are people flipflopping on the issue?

Because it's a different day, and a different situation. On Day 2, I'd rather lynch someone going than randomly choosing someone for a senseless reason.

Now, there are fewer people, a better chance of getting a wolf, and even though we have no votes, or real "evidence" there has been some better reasons against Mac, and Kath, that there simply wasn't on Day 2.

[Boromir88]

Over-reacting, aren't you Boro? ~Nogrod

Yes, I am in drama-queen mode right now...what's your point? This stinks, because you know nothing, you feel like you can't do anything about it, and when you actually do something that can be proven to have helped, you get people telling you are either an evil wolf or you made a stupid decision.

[Macalaure]

Okay, first he tries to discredit my case all in all. Later he claims I had "nothing" in my accusation. Has he been reading this thread with a bag on his head. Please, Mac, go back and see I really had reasons, as much reasons as anyone can have and has had in this game.

If so, then I have overlooked them. Please educate me: Show me the reasons, but please show me reasons that merited a defense.

Of course you weren't agreeing about every single thing but close enough that it disturbed me.

And if you would have put it like that earlier, I wouldn't have had to explain myself.

Yes and that's exactly what a wolf not under too much suspicion would do. Don't you dare to tell me that's not true.

Dare. Of course a wolf might do that. But what would an innocent do who is attacked by someone who he thinks is innocent? Change his opinion immediately and counter-attack, or point out what's wrong and carry on without much consequence?

Well yes you continued "and with Boro afterwards" but that was not the point. The point was that if you have to go back to Day1 to find where you really disagreed with people

Err, I think you asked me that on Day3? So Day1 is not all that far back. Also, I wanted to cover all days and state that at no time I had just been agreeing with everyone.

I can give you a general explanation and that is that there was something too purposeful in the attacks to be the sort of innocent testing attacks.

I wouldn't consider that generic, actually. If you'd add an example or two, I'd be pleased.

We can have her clear up this mess but to me it seems like she accused you of a real thing in a joking tone and you ignored the serious side and took it as a joke and that's what I think a baddie would have done - avoid the nasty question and later say "oh it was just a joke".

I don't think I ignored the serious side. At any rate my reply was not just joking. Maybe my reply wasn't very in-depth, but what would you reply to a question like that?

Good, good, now you're slowly turning your boat so that you can get me lynched with your swarming allies so that you don't have to incriminate yourself by killing me at Night. That's smart.

Oh, boy... Maybe you should read what I wrote over again. I said I still don't think you're a mutineer.



Eonwe - you didn't bold your vote!

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Sally

By the way, I'm a bit confused/curious. Can someone be killed their second time at Night, or just by lynch?

From the admin thread:

Originally Posted by Rules

When a player first dies, they become a ghost. But if they were to die again, they would no longer exist. Basically this means that the crew, aggressors, and avenger have the option to kill a player a second time if they choose, for whatever reasons.

So yes, ghosts can get killed at Night and the avenger could've hunted one.

Originally Posted by Kath

Brinn are you around? Can you tell us what's happening about Gwath?

As I've stated before, no modfire will be confirmed for a player until the beginning of the next Day. Gives the one who failed to vote twice one more chance to provide me good reason why they deserve to stay alive.

Originally Posted by Eonwe

Tell me- can a dead mutineer/aggressor still communicate with their team after they're dead?

No, that would be cheating.

Eonwe, if you're still around, you may want to bold that vote so it counts...