WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Boromir88]

I was going to put together a list of those alive and how many times they voted along with Mac...maybe that would give us something. I'll see if I can get that done, I'm going out to the Bullfrog to enjoy the Finals (USA! USA! )

[Boromir88]

So Mac voted for...

Day 1: Nogrod (retracted and Nogrod again)
Day 2: Eomer
Day 3: Gwath
Day 4: Gwath
Day 5: Izzy (after retracting vote for Kath)
Day 6: Lommy

Eonwe: (Day 3)

Gwath:

Shasta: (Day 6)

Izzy: (Day 6)

Nerwen: (Day 4, Day 5, Day 6)

Other notes:

Day 3- Mac votes for Gwath, and at the end Nerwen retracts Rikae (after revealing as the hunter), votes Annu, and Gwath votes Annu.

Day 6- Everyone who was around after Mac's reveal (excluding myself) switched to Lommy. That doesn't really reveal too much, as well Mac said he was the Ranger, and someone innocent could believe that.

The only thing that sticks out is Shasta without question accepts Mac's claim and quickly votes for Lommy. His suspicion for it was not just Mac's reveal, but Eonwe voting with Lommy. Hmm...I also recall a defensive Mac when I pointed out Shasta's, Eonwe's, and Inziladun's post spurt after Mith said something. Inziladun is not a mutineer, and I believe he's innocent...but jury still out on Shasta and Eonwe.

Nerwen voted along with Mac the most amount of times...which is kind of odd. But actually I think this makes Nerwen look even more innocent (if there really was any doubt, I thought Nerwen could be a co-conspie). Mac trying to follow a presumed innocent's vote? Especially on Day 5, Nerwen votes for Izzy, and Mac retracts his vote for Kath and follows.

Gwath did not vote with Mac at all, but Mac tried to lynch Gwath twice, and when I wondered how Gwath's non-appearance would play into the mutineers strategy, Mac praised the observation and used the suspicion against Gwath to try and get Lommy lynched.

As for why Mith? How come it seems like I make a statement of innocence about someone they wind up dead? I apologize Mith. Anyway, I think it was Mith, because she's been here everyday and voted everyday. Even if she hasn't been an 'active' force, she votes everyday...plus no one really thought she was a mutineer.

The 5 still alive are all wildcards, which will make this very difficult vote for ye 5. Even if I believe Nerwen's innocent, I still have no idea what she is going to do.

[Boromir88]

And to add: if you suspect me for not giving evidence to suspect you, then did you present evidence for actually voting me Mith? And what kind of evidence could one produce in this game in the first place with no knowledge about anything? ~Nogrod

Yes she did. After my vote against you on Day 3, she added why she was suspicious of you and voted for you.

For what it's worth, after re-reading posts of yours that I missed the first time after Mac's reveal, I thought you looked a bit more innocent, but I've already resigned myself to not-trusting you until the curse is over. What the living do now...well that's their own choice, you've at least proven you deserve to say your piece, without the dead (erm well me) getting in your way.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Yes she did. After my vote against you on Day 3, she added why she was suspicious of you and voted for you.

Actually already on Day2 with nothing to say of her vote. Just the vote...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I'm hoping that one of Lommy or Mac was a mutineer (I think Mac), but can't be certain.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Alongside with Nerwen's possible (probable?) innocence that's the only other "fact" we can even imagine to stick with in the situation we are. (Fex. I wouldn't bet too highly on either Lommmy or Mac

True, Lommy went after Mac in a positively fanatical way, and generally acted quite strangely– but Mac admitted to lying about being the Ranger in order to get Lommy lynched. By his own account, he had no way of knowing her role.

Besides, if Lommy wasn't the Ranger, who is?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Actually already on Day2 with nothing to say of her vote. Just the vote...

Mith = Night-kill = non-wolf = case closed.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Mith = Night-kill = non-wolf = case closed.

Obviously... and I don't claim anything else. That should be clear from what I have said already. And as I said in my post a short while ago: if there weren't so many candidates for being the co-conspies I'd say she was one of them but maybe I just have to conclude that she was only greatly misguided and somehow overcareful even with "Mith-standards"...

Anyway, that's not the most fruitful discussion we might had as we should concentrate on those from which you'd need to lynch one toDay. I'll be back later to try to give my cents for it.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Besides, if Lommy wasn't the Ranger, who is?

If Greenie wasn't the seer then who is?

This is a pretty complicated one as games go...

And anyway, if pressed to choose I would believe in Lommy more than Mac for being innocent. Sure. But it doesn't make me 100% sure - or confident about it.

Then again what's the point in discussing these? We have no way of knowing but need to pick up the remaining mutineer(s). Sure we can check the relations to Mac and Lommy (as Boro has done) - and that's good.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And anyway, if pressed to choose I would believe in Lommy more than Mac for being innocent. Sure. But it doesn't make me 100% sure - or confident about it.

After what Mac pulled, I would be 100% sure– but I've just played a game where one innocent lied to get another lynched. So I'm... oh... 95% sure.

[Isabellkya]

Well, I could continue "acting like a lunatic" Mith. But there are three of us left, so it is definitely serious business time. xD

Zil, there is only one choice toDay.
If we lynch wrong, we lose. If we lynch right.. yay.

If you think I'm the "best choice" then show/prove it.
And no, I've haven't done anything in my power to look suspicious.


Why am I still alive Mac?
Good question. My only guess, is that people have written me off as a Cobbler for so long - that if the Mutineer left believed it. Then they would definitely want me around this Day, to vote with them. If not, then I'd be an easy lynch choice. Just look. People whom are ghosties think I am the best choice. Nerwen could easily vote for me, just look at our "animosity" towards each other. I think even Gwath was thinking I was a Cobbler or Mutie yesterDay.


I missed the first Day, Boro. But have been here for the rest.


Not true, Eonwe. Refer to my comment at the top of this post to Mith.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

If you think I'm the "best choice" then show/prove it.

I'm not trying to 'prove' anything. I was simply stating an opinion based on what seemed a logical process of elimination.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

And no, I've haven't done anything in my power to look suspicious.

No? All right then.

[Nogrod]

Thanks for your clarification Brinn! It sounds like I thought it would.

But this whole bussiness of the "missed kill" I saw Shasta bring up once again (kudos!) - and which I had totally forgotten as I was away then - combined with Brinn's notes makes this once more a bit more open I thought this was.

Okay, here's Brinn then:

Originally Posted by the Cap'n

Though I do admit part of the reason is because I realised I had reached a point where any sort of modfire could abruptly end the game and it just plain sucks to end your game with modfire. What does this mean? It could mean the extra loss of an innocent would've resulted in instant victory for the aggressors or it could mean the modfire of a mutineer would've resulted in instant victory for the innocents.

So it was close, but which way? *goes to look*

Add with the missed kill, the time-zone issues, possible mutineers - and cross-index them with the earlier question... *goes to do exactly that - or something like it*

Sorry, a bit unconventional measures, but in this kind of game nothing's too conventional anyway...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I was going to do that, but if Nog is going to...

I wonder how I got back on the boat after being eaten by sharks...?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by O' Cap'n

It could mean the extra loss of an innocent would've resulted in instant victory for the aggressors

Hardly. It was actually only the fourth Day (Night) so only 5-6 players were eliminated at that stage. We were twenty in the beginning so at worst it would have been 14 against 4. No instant loss to us in sight there.

So it must be:

Originally Posted by My Cap'n

it could mean the modfire of a mutineer would've resulted in instant victory for the innocents

Which is interesting indeed as I think most of us thought we were faring pretty bad. But that turns the tables a bit. We lynched McCaber on Day1, Mira on D2 and Annu on D3... and well Sally on D4. Could it just be... Then there would be Lommy vs. Mac (or could they both be innocents?). And surely one more.

The missed kill would make sense if the remaining mutineers were Lommy and Gwath. To Lommy the deadline is 7AM and Gwath was away... a communication mistake? That could also give sense of the next Night's Rikae-affair. If they were disorientated maybe they (well one of them) just didn't read the thread well enough... or something?

Originally Posted by Shasta

I wonder how I got back on the boat after being eaten by sharks...?

Ghosts are a tough bunch!

[Gwathagor]

Well, I'll be back later. I intend to analyze Izzy and Shasta, who are the two biggest question marks for me. We'll see if I get around to it.