Tol-in-Gaurhoth LXIX: Were-Librarians

[Boromir88]

Mac looks good, besides the fact that he advocates killing me. I like his analysis of the listers. Plus his observation about the Nerwen votes, that seems an odd choice...Nerwen?

I don't know if I'd make too much out of it, the votes coming from Fea and sally. Nerwen might have just drawn the short straw. That's why I don't like lists, because sometimes if I go through everyone and still have no clues about anyone the last person I think of gets the short straw. Which is why I prefer just to poke around and see people's behavior.

But I must point out the mistake Mac. I didn't make a list, don't like lists, so don't throw me in with the list-makers, find another category to put me in if you want to kill me.

Edit: crossed with Form.

[Hakon]

From what I can see Sally is the most suspicious. Back in High School she was obsessed with Boro and if I recall correctly Lari is the reason that they broke up. Now Lari is dead.

[Boromir88]

Before I vote, hopefully Mac you won't mind answering this...why does leaving out the non-posters speak to a list-makers favour? Don't get it.

I do promise not to give you the Inziladun treatment...and that is ask you a question, than immediately vote for you (again) before getting an answer.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Before I vote, hopefully Mac you won't mind answering this...why does leaving out the non-posters speak to a list-makers favour? Don't get it.

Not to pre-empt Mac's ability to answer the query, which was his to answer, after all, but speaking from my own Day 1 position (which everyone will remember, if they played "back in high school," is based on the fundamental assertion that Day 1 is useless until after the fact), what Mac says makes sense.

On Day 1 there is no trend to anyone's silence, for the very reason that there's no trend to anything. Lists are useless enough to begin with on Day 1 (a point brought up by Mac which I must appreciate... even though he goes on to list the list-makers. However, if one is to go so far as to list people, it makes no sense to list the silent ones toDay, since there's more nothing to list about them than about the people who HAVE been talking.

I need a shower and I fear I'm getting my sister's cold from camping, but I'm here, and, I must confess, I'm still not seeing anything in Day 1 to point to criminal guilt other than the wildest of readings-into.

[alonariel]

I somewhat agree with Hakon about Sally being suspicious. She made more than one unkind comment about Lari (while she was still living - RIP) but then that might be too obvious to take your revenge where there are a dozen witnesses who know about your past history. She might also seem the most suspicious because she's been one of the most vocal so far, while others have remained relatively quiet thus far.

Nerwen didn't seem sneaky, just subtle. Although she did liken Lari's dress to that of a porn star's. But it is only the first Day, so we'll see...

Feel better, Fea. I'll send you a fresh batch of popsicles in the morning.

X'd with: Hakon, Fea and Mac.

[Boromir88]

Autume is a newbie, right? In that case she shall be forgiven, since maybe she just did as the others did. Not much can be learned from her list, either, I'm afraid.~Mac

Negative and I don't think you nor Fea should be overlooking anyone based on new status or not. Autume was in last game, I can't say much about her, because I was killed night 1, but I have a suspicion she should not be overlooked. A lot of commentary mixed in with a couple jokes, which means...

++autume98

And...

X'd with: Hakon, Fea and Mac.~Alonariel

I would like to point out, while sometimes I cross-change, I do not cross-change and take on Fea's persona. But for that mistake...I <3 you.

Edit: crossed with Mac

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I would like to point out, while sometimes I cross-change, I do not cross-change and take on Fea's persona. But for that mistake...I <3 you.

*confuzzled* Boro, how did I take on her persona...? But thank you for the love

X'd with: Boro

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by alonariel

*confuzzled* Boro, how did I take on her persona...? But thank you for the love

X'd with: Boro

See you said you X'ed with Fea, when really you x'ed with me. And while I do cross-dress on rare occasions (like when I lose bets), Fea is not one of the people.

Edit: crossed with many, looks like a lot of action...argh why now!? Why not when we were getting 1.5 posts an hour?

[Formendacil]

Hakon's tag-along vote for Sally, coming right after Nienna's for the same, looks opportunist in the same way Boro thinks Sally's tag-along vote for Nerwen appears that way. Of the two, I'm inclined to chasten Sally more for this, both because it's earlier and I've come to expect more originality from her--Hakon is still an unknown to me, so I can't comment. Of course, it is still Day 1... but that's a card even I shouldn't overplay.

[Hakon]

Originally Posted by alonariel

She made more than one unkind comment about Lari (while she was still living - RIP) but then that might be too obvious to take your revenge where there are a dozen witnesses who know about your past history.

That is most likely what she wants you to think. She thinks we will all assume it is her then brush her off cause we will all think that she would be too stupid to do it with so many witnesses knowing her past. I think it was Sally.

++Sally

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Although she did liken Lari's dress to that of a porn star's. But it is only the first Day, so we'll see...

Nerwen furrowed her brow. "Her dress? Didn't she say she was the president of the Amber Lynn Society?"

[Nerwen]

I see now that Sally's vote X'd with Fea's, so it's not as bad as I thought. I still don't like it, though. But Nienna and Hakon's reasons for voting her are pretty weak too, even for Day One.

EDIT:X'd since my last post.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

But I must point out the mistake Mac. I didn't make a list, don't like lists, so don't throw me in with the list-makers, find another category to put me in if you want to kill me.

#46 looks suspiciously listy.

Originally Posted by Boro

Before I vote, hopefully Mac you won't mind answering this...why does leaving out the non-posters speak to a list-makers favour? Don't get it.

Well, it's not like there's much else going on, so why not.

Listing them all is not necessarily a sign of evil. When I make lists, for example, I usually copy the living player list so I don't forget anyone. Leaving them out, however, looks innocent to me, since it looks more like an honest attempt to make sense of what we really get to see, and also since I don't see a reason why a wolf would do it: a "hasn't posted" next to an innocent name always inevitably makes the person look a tad worse, and wolves usually don't skip fellows in lists, because they might be afraid of the questions it raises once said fellow is dead.

Originally Posted by Form

Lists are useless enough to begin with on Day 1

I wouldn't subscribe to that, but so many lists after so little to talk about... naah, come on.

[Nienna]

The pull of sleep is calling me.

A few things before I go

1. Mac on Lists: I think he makes a really good point about the listers (if they are wolves) not wanting to leave out a fellow wolf. On the other hand it is something a really sneaky wolf might do. It gives a lot of deniability later when they can be like "I didn't even think to put them on my first list." Just a thought

2.

++Sally

She seems (out of everyone) the most wolf-like to me. She mentioned books a few times and even some better books to kill with.

3. Goodnight.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Nienna

I think he makes a really good point about the listers (if they are wolves) not wanting to leave out a fellow wolf. On the other hand it is something a really sneaky wolf might do.

This comment doesn't make me less suspicious at all. If my point was not just good, but really good, then why the "on the other hand"? Doesn't fit together. Also, why comment on my comment on lists in general, and not on my comment about her list in particular?

I don't like the Sally-waggon one bit more than the Nerwen-waggon, therefore, even though I intended to wait with the vote:

++Nienna

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

This comment doesn't make me less suspicious at all. If my point was not just good, but really good, then why the "on the other hand"? Doesn't fit together. Also, why comment on my comment on lists in general, and not on my comment about her list in particular?

I don't like the Sally-waggon one bit more than the Nerwen-waggon, therefore, even though I intended to wait with the vote:

++Nienna

Now... I've sat out a lot of these games since I was a carefree pre-university student, and I've not read most of the ones I've missed, so there's a lot of WW-culture current that I'm not up with--but one thing I have picked up on is that Nienna has something of an unreasonable penchant for being unreasonably lynched on Days 1. Which means that, coupled with Mac's almost immediate reply to Nienna's post--a Day-ending post, suggesting she won't be back before the end of the Day to defend herself--I am really not liking Mac's quoted post. It's a little too easy. He sees a couple bandwaggons, says he doesn't like them, and then expresses this by starting--potentially--one of the easiest Day 1 bandwaggons there is?

I'd rather vote for a Sally-- or Nerwen--waggon at this point, than jump on that.