TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Hm, I thought you had played more, Pitchwife. Another question, then - does anyone have a strong opinion on Pitchwife, in general?

*shrugs* Not yet. He's being pretty non-committal himself...

And yeah, he came across like an old hand in his first game.

[Macalaure]

Well, well, it's day one again. I can't see anybody who is actually suspicious. For a change, why don't you baddies try to be a bit more obvious?

Eh, whatever, a list:

Alona: don't like her vote.
Autume: not comfortable with her.
Brinn: morm had a very good point against her, but her defense looked honest.
Durelin: feels clean and knows what cats know that makes them scream like babies in night.
Fea: rode to ruin and the world's ending.
Form: acted almost too Form-stereotypical in his one post.
Hakon: all over the place and probably innocent.
Inzy: not comfortable with him, but can't point to it.
Lari: feels good.
Lommy: not here.
Mira: innocent?
morm: bad vote, good conscience.
Nerwen: feels good, which probably means she's evil.
Nessa: innocent-ish.
Nienna: the little she posted looks ok.
Pitchwife: Rikae's points against him are the best I've seen so far, and that says it all.
Rikae: all over the place and probably innocent.*
Sally: bad vote, good conscience.
Shasta: ?
phantom: one is tempted to tune him out. I will look at him eventually if we both keep on staying alive.

*If I'm dead toMorrow, then evil Rikae has killed me for giving her the same comment as Hakon.


Anyway, this Hakon-waggon is getting out of hands. Who do you think we should put on the rails instead?

[Boromir88]

I ♥ Lari. I hope you're here at the DL so I can get up-to-date voting tallies. Instead of trolling through pages to get all the votes

[Lariren Shadow]

I can't promise I will be here (long and complicated) but I can keep up to date counts before I go.

Other than that, I have nothing else to say.

[Boromir88]

I ♥ alona, I ♥ tum, I ♥ Brinn, I ♥ Durelin, I ♥ Fea, I ♥ Hakon, I ♥ Dun, I ♥ Lommy. I ♥ Mac. I ♥ Mira. I ♥ morm, I ♥ Nerwen, I ♥ Nessa, I ♥ Nienna, I ♥ Pitch, I ♥ Rikae, I ♥ sally, I ♥ Shasta, I ♥ tp.

Missing anyone? Nope don't think so.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I ♥ alona, I ♥ tum, I ♥ Brinn, I ♥ Durelin, I ♥ Fea, I ♥ Hakon, I ♥ Dun, I ♥ Lommy. I ♥ Mac. I ♥ Mira. I ♥ morm, I ♥ Nerwen, I ♥ Nessa, I ♥ Nienna, I ♥ Pitch, I ♥ Rikae, I ♥ sally, I ♥ Shasta, I ♥ tp.

Missing anyone? Nope don't think so.

Shall I assume that Celibateman is strictly off-limits, even for you?

*too lazy to look for anyone else who might be missing*

*seriously going to grab supper now*

[Boromir88]

I ♥ Form aka celibateman.

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I ♥ alona, I ♥ tum, I ♥ Brinn, I ♥ Durelin, I ♥ Fea, I ♥ Hakon, I ♥ Dun, I ♥ Lommy. I ♥ Mac. I ♥ Mira. I ♥ morm, I ♥ Nerwen, I ♥ Nessa, I ♥ Nienna, I ♥ Pitch, I ♥ Rikae, I ♥ sally, I ♥ Shasta, I ♥ tp.

Missing anyone? Nope don't think so.

I was going to say Form, but he already did.

And I would say me, but I got my own post

[Boromir88]

You'll never guess what I'm eating right now...it's the only thing I have left to eat actually.

<<Really needs to go to the store.

So, with that I shall dine and observe the remaining hours. You surely don't want some italicized voice being a distraction with only 4 hours remaining.

[Durelin]

Have to say this - Arguing that a Fea-vote is no different from a No-vote is completely pointless, considering that a person can certainly think a No-vote is just as ridiculous...except of course if used as a last minute tool.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Have to say this - Arguing that a Fea-vote is no different from a No-vote is completely pointless, considering that a person can certainly think a No-vote is just as ridiculous...except of course if used as a last minute tool.

Well, as a matter of fact I do think a No-vote is ridiculous--even in Day 1 circumstances where I don't honestly suspect anyone and would feel too tender to lynch anybody. It's just... unsporting.

Doesn't mean it hasn't been done.

Rikae's de-vote for herself reminds me that I voted for Mira last night, and said I'd probably not actually vote for her in the end. Since I'll be here, on and off at least, if not right here, for the rest of the Day, I think I can safely say I won't need it anymore. Since my first post, Mira has been delightfully under-contributive in adding more to the ridiculous length of this thread--my original grounds for voting.

--Mirandir

I do not promise, of course, that I won't vote for her again.

*has supper beside him, but hasn't touched it*

EDIT: Crossed with Boro and fixed tags.

[Formendacil]

*groans in pain*

You know, when I started catching up on this thread--apparently a loooong time ago--there were still only 9 pages.

This is page 10.

This is ridiculous.

For once, I have to confess, I'm glad it's Day 1, because that means it's lacking substance, for the most part, and I didn't have read it in-depth--though, given the lack of substance, I think I still got most of it anyway.

Two quick thoughts:

First, regarding the Fea-Waggon, I will submit to the village that this is patent nonsense. If, perchance, Fea is a wolf, then why bother voting for her? We should try and take out a second baddie (Wolf, Bear, Cobbler) while we're at it. If Fea is a villager, then we definitely want to try and take out a Baddie, since the village is already facing a probable two deaths tonight. And if Fea's a Gifted... well... that's really bad--but again, we still want to try and take out a Wolf.

I realise, for those older players who remember (or the younger ones who may have read back), that this may seem a trifle anti-Formendacil in style, since it makes it sound like I think we have a good chance of catching a baddie on Day 1. We don't--let me make that clear--or, rather, we have exactly as much a chance as usual. I continue to aver, as I always have, that we're grossly unlikely to reason our way to finding a Wolf (or Bear, for that matter) on Day 1, but the stats show that Fenris lynches are not impossible, so we may as well at least try for one of those. Also, to emphasize the often forgotten second half of my anti-Day 1 thesis: "Day 1s are useless to analyse on Day 1." My point being that we'll be wanting a voting record tomorrow to analyze, and voting for Fea is an abdication of that, every bit as much as No Voting, but with the psychological pretension that it's an actual vote.

My second thought regards Hakon. I more or less agree (bearing in mind that I skim read a page or two of this thread...) with everything Rikae said in argument against his plots and schemes, but he is the spitting image of the "All-Too-Easy Day 1 Scapegoat" vote... who might be a newbie in some games, or just too noisy... or too quiet... or too easy... or whatever... in others. He's rubbed me enough the wrong way with his suggestions that I can't honestly say he seems a village asset, but that has all the hallmarks of a Village Ordo.

More anon... I haven't had lunch, my cold has not been helped by getting to bed ridiculously late last night (see my previous post), and my brain hurts.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Alona: don't like her vote.

Anyway, this Hakon-waggon is getting out of hands. Who do you think we should put on the rails instead?

Because it came after morm's? I guess that does seem off, but then, I was accused of piggy-backing on your thoughts last game, Mac. Guess I better work on my originality some more, huh?

Originally Posted by the phantom

By the way- those of you against Hakon, what do you think he is? Villain, Bear, or Cobbler?

I'm leaning towards either Cobbler or Bear, but again, it's Day 1, and it's largely a hunch. I will admit to being a little annoyed with Hakon early on, but I still am getting vibes off his posts. I don't want to think it's all newbie mistakes... That said, I wouldn't discount autume, either. Are there any other newbies here, besides myself and the two I mentioned?

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Let's throw something new in here:

++Alonariel

Didn't post any substance apart from her vote post (266), which, apart from fueling the then-fresh Hakon-waggon, is very agreeing and vague.

Sorry! I've been at work from 12 to 6 and have been playing catch up with all the posts. Is this payback for voting for you on Day 1 last game?

Originally Posted by Rikae

Mac, hm, I can't really see the suspiciousness of that post. It looks like best-friends-with-Lari-ishness followed by a sort of placeholder vote - plus, alona won't be around to defend herself until later, as she said. Nah, on second thought, I'd better vote for someone else.

I don't know you that well (though I've heard great things from people!), but thank you for that.

[alonariel]

Rikae --> Rikae
Form --> Mira
Morm --> Hakon
Alona --> Hakon
Sally --> Hakon
Brinn --> Morm
Autume --> Hakon
--Rikae --Rikae
--Form --Mira
Shasta --> Pitchwife
Mac --> Alona
Durelin --> Nessa
Pitchwife --> Alona
Zil --> Rikae
--Pitchwife --Alona
Pitchwife --> Sally
Rikae --> Pitchwife
Nessa --> Rikae


So Hakon 4, Pitchwife 2, Rikae 2. Alona, Sally, Morm, and Nessa 1.

Edit: Itallics means Locked In vote

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Rikae --> Rikae
Form --> Mira
Morm --> Hakon
Alona --> Hakon
Sally --> Hakon
Brinn --> Morm
Autume --> Hakon
--Rikae --Rikae
--Form --Mira
Shasta --> Pitchwife
Mac --> Alona
Durelin --> Nessa
Pitchwife --> Alona
Zil --> Rikae
--Pitchwife --Alona
Pitchwife --> Sally
Rikae --> Pitchwife


So Hakon 4, Pitchwife 2. Alona, Sally, Rikae, Morm, and Nessa 1.

Edit: Itallics means Locked In vote

Rikae's is locked in too :P FYI

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nienna

Rikae's is locked in too :P FYI

I thought she retracted hers for herself.

*facepalm*
scratch that

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Can I just say that I hate the "voting to keep around someone more useful" reason for voting? It's the main reason I got into it with Nogrod two games ago - it's basically a slap in the face to someone who may not have been able to participate, etc.

Also, Pitchwife backs off his alona vote when pressed? Interesting. My vote stands, for now.

Edit: X'ed with Rikae.

For some reason that has been a reason to keep people. Like the phantom. And at times they are useful and at times they are a wolf. But then they get lynched a few Days later.

I really want to have some more time to read through before voting and dinner calls.