TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[satansaloser2005]

Random question. Has Tum disagreed with me at any point in the game? (Not that I'm complaining, since we're friends and all, but....) I'm not the best person to hide behind, but any port in a storm? Give me thoughts, and I'll see if I need to attempt another analysis before my head explodes.

[autume98]

I'll answer for you and make it easier for everyone else. I don't think I have disagreed with you yet. I haven't seen anything to disagree with you on at this point.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by autume98

I'll answer for you and make it easier for everyone else. I don't think I have disagreed with you yet. I haven't seen anything to disagree with you on at this point.

Ummmm... Who are you talking to, autume?

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Ummmm... Who are you talking to, autume?

Whoops! That's to sally asking me if I've disagreed with her.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Ummmm... Who are you talking to, autume?

Me.

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Gah! I'm so sorry!

Meh, happens to the best of us.

Originally Posted by autume98

Whoops! That's to sally asking me if I've disagreed with her.

(That's) what she said.

[Nessa Telrunya]

Well, I have no idea where my vote should go. It would be Alona, but I'll be sleeping at deadline, and I am loathe to vote someone who has no chance to defend themselves. Sooo.....



++no vote

[Lariren Shadow]

Rikae --> Sally
Morm --> Form
Lommy --> Form (2)
Alona --> No Vote
Nessa --> No Vote

Form 2, Sally 1.

Left to vote:
Autume
Durelin
Form
Lommy
Mac
Mira
Nerwen
Nienna
Sally
Shasta

[autume98]

Originally Posted by mormegil

It is an exceptionally safe vote that doesn't leave any sort of trail of evidence. Because once it is decided that Fea will be voted for it gives far too easy a way for wolves/bear to hide.

Talks about voting for Fea being safe vote.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Not 'may' it is the safest option anyway you look at it. That is the major problem with it. It won't help anybody but the wolves to do such a strategy because no trail will exist.

More talk about voting for Fea

Originally Posted by mormegil

I don't think a vote for Fea is a wise thing to do and it will quickly make me suspicious for anybody that does vote for her.

More on voting for Fea.

Originally Posted by mormegil

This seems awfully strange. I get it that only by lynching the bear will we get the kills to one but she seems to discount the lynching of the wolves completely. A wolf wouldn't be unhappy to get rid of the bear. Also just because odds are slim doesn't mean we shouldn't at least try. This line of thought makes me fairly suspicious of Brinn.

Makes note that finds Brinn suspicious.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Wow Brinn, this seems very odd. Again you've done something odd to me. It has nothing to do with the vote for me. I couldn't care less about that but what is strange is the willingness to do what you perceive the crowd to want. There are still plenty that are okay with the Fea lynch plan. When somebody is too worried about looking good and not doing what they feel is best it worries me.

ps I am only to this point on reading.

Reply to Brinn when she said she'd make a random vote.

Originally Posted by mormegil

I've been watching Pitchwife since many were talking about him and I have noticed a few subtle cues that lead me to believe him suspicious. There was one thing in particular though I can't remember where and I'm a bit too lazy now to go find it, that made me wonder. Perhaps I'll go look after I post this.

Finds Pitchwife suspicious.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Okay, this was the post. It really seemed padded. "Look what I'm doing I know will be questioned but I'm going to do it anyway so don't suspect me okay" This concerns me because by openly admitting that it will be suspicious and he does it anyway we naturally want to give him the pass.

However, with that said I reviewed a lot more of his posts looking for this one and besides this post there wasn't anything specific that caught my attention. It could be that I listened to others too much as these things go.

My suspects are Brinn, Hakon, Pitch and Rikae.

He finds Pitchwife's first post.

Originally Posted by mormegil

*claps*

Bravo village, you managed to lynch the seer. I found him slightly suspicious but not even to vote for him even if I could. I wouldn't have voted for him because he did look slightly suspicious, if you follow me. Often times the gifteds seem suspicious because liked the wolves they are acting different or more guarded in what they say. Bah, I'm glad to know that the bear thought Hakon was a wolf. We can assume the bear found him suspicious too and therefore killed him. However, it doesn't fully help us but it could. Obviously it could be somebody that stated their suspicion of Hakon and might have voted for him. It could be that they said nothing all together. Not very helpful, I know.

I know it will be brought up sooner or later but Autume's retract and vote looks somewhat odd. Now it would be evven worse for her (assuming Autume is female) had the wolves killed Hakon but they did not. Autume could be the bear but based not likely a wolf. I haven't elucidated what I mean very well. Let me break it down a bit.

A wolf Autume could have changed her vote from Hakon to Pitchwife and then the cover-up would be to kill Hakon at night, it is what I would do, or might do in such a situation, it would have been damage control from my point of view. Anyway, since the bear killed Hakon it's obvious he/she thought him to be a wolf. Now Autume may have taken this bold strategy but I'm not familiar with her and most people don't have the fortitude to try such a risky strategy. I am willing to assume that Autume is an ordo that was influenced by group think in the lynching of Hakon.

Throws out some views about me being wolf or bear.

Originally Posted by mormegil

After reading what Rikae said about tummy, I am more convinced that we should simply lynch them both and be done with the confusion they will inevitably cause. Didn't I tell you to lynch phantom on day1 and be done with the endless debate the inevitably surrounds him. Rikae tends to be suspected too all the time.

Still suspects Rikae, but it looks like he suspects her a little bit all the time. Although I'm guessing he probably wouldn't suspect Rikae if they were both wolves in the same game.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Right, make no assumptions and don't narrow lists down artificially. Sorry the only other way to narrow down the list is to look at who is alive from one day to the next. Take my thoughts or not I don't really care but I will state what I am thinking, it may be useful to some. I, unlike you it would seem, need to narrow the list down to a mangegable size and think of most likely scenarios given teh evidence we have up to this point. Did not Aragorn and the hunters do the same with the puzzle of Merry and Pippin, they were fairly close but not 100%.

Of course the bear might not go for wolves but it would make the most sense for him to do so, don't you think? Who poses the greatest threat to him? Wouldn't he love it to have killed all but 1 wolf so they still get 2 kills and then as the list narrows kill the final off? It would make the most sense to me to eliminate most rivals now while the list is still big.

At this point my main suspect is Rikae actually. Something isn't sitting right with me on her.

From what I gather here he still suspects Rikae. Although I haven't seen a reason why other than he just seems to always suspect her.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Rikae, think about it for the strategy to not work the bear would need to be incredibly successful. Hunting wolves at night wouldn't be easy so logically he would start as early as possible.


What corner? I didn't do any such thing, but it does allow you to play the victim role by saying. Well done, nice move really but I've seen it before and am ready for it.

Rikae and morm seem to get into it a little regarding bear strategy and killing wolves.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Due to school and air travel I won't be able to log on much if at all from this point forward. Sorry that I won't be very active.

++Rikae

She and Sally seem the most suspicious. Mira's comment seems a bit cobblerish and if that is so a decent lynch but I would rather go for a true baddie.

Hmmm...I don't think we've heard much from Mira.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Sorry I wasn't here yesterday but I was engaged in the joys of airline travel. I haven't been able to catch up on all that was said and I will see if I can but I don't think it overly likely. Anyway I notice a good deal of activity surrounded me yesterday. I got the impression that those who began it did not want to taint their paws on it. Sally increasingly worries me. She seems unwilling to commit to anything solid and yet floats around everywhere poking here and prodding there. She is stirring the pot, so to speak. Rikae as well is not looking good by me still. I don't trust her and would be happy to see her gone. I really believe that we need to bag a baddie today otherwise we are in desperate peril. I implore everybody to objectively look over all of Rikae's and Sally's posts.

Formendacil is another that just hasn't been sitting right with me. Nothing overt but small subtle things, more of a gut on him. I think the other baddie is going to be in one of the players I'm not familiar with i.e. Nessa, Autume, Mira etc... I don't know how to read them yet so I'm a bit at a loss with them.

I would love a fresh set of eyes to look at Rikae and Sally and let me know what you think.

ps I only skimmed some of what happened yesterday, if I get a more detailed reading opinions may change.

Finds Form suspicious.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Based on Autume's voting recount Alona does look might suspicious.

I am wondering if Rikae and Alona are in it together. Rikae voted early for Alona which could have been fairly innocuous at the time but something to throw off the ties they have. Admittedly it's a bit of a stretch but not too much to make it unrealistic.

Don't really see too much here.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Agreed. I did skim and see that. It does look strange and feel strange. Just another thing Sally has done that raised an eyebrow.

Mentioning sally retracting her vote.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Yes and for some reason both of you felt the need to do that, why would you feel that need I ask?

Mentioning sally's and Lommy's retraction votes.

Originally Posted by mormegil

No she doesn't seem too eager. I think you are more than deserving than a fair amount of suspicion. In fact I hope we have a lot more eager people to suspect you. The more I consider it the more I feel you are evil

In response to Sally asking if Rikae seems eager in suspecting sally.

Originally Posted by mormegil

That may be true. But I do know how I read you. I generally think you are suspicious, just like I think Lommy generally suspicious. Therefore I will continue to suspect you but I always do so with a grain of salt.

Responding to Rikae's response of how he doesn't seem to be able read Rikae either.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Sally, you seem fairly jumpy, I'm sure your pack is sitting there yelling at their monitor for you to calm down.

Looks like he's suspecting sally.

Originally Posted by mormegil

First, I never said you were my prime suspect and second just because you 'explained' why you did what you did does not make you innocent.

I saw this but didn't comment last night



I found it interesting last night after I gave the line about Sally's pack mates wanting her to calm down she seemed to have done so. After this post she went on only to light conversation about the nicknames and then signed off. It strikes me as very strange that she would do this, almost as if she took the advice I proffered.

Rikae, your Nerwen remark is interesting. I think there is merit in it. I would like investigate this further though I fear there are some time constraints as this is my first day back to work after a week off.

Had mentioned I was one of his top suspects and was replying to a comment I made about being his prime suspect.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Interesting note Rikae. I agree that at least one of those 3 (Sally/autume/Alona) are wolves, if not 2 or 3 of them. They do seem to be of similar mind and pattern. They seem to want to help each other out. I am focusing more on them. It is noteworthy that you have slipped in the suspicion list this day.

Throws out some people he think may be wolves and agrees with Rikae.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Near top does not mean prime.

Yet you seem jumpy so I am glad to know of it. My vote is going to Autume or Sally.

Thinks I'm jumpy.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Wow! This increases your credibility in my book, this and this post alone assuaged all my misgivings of you . This post makes you fly up to the near top of my list.

Oh, but I better not suspect you too much otherwise Sally-wolf may find it 'suspicious' that somebody else has strong suspicions and the two of you would suspect me further for the simple reason of suspecting you.

I think he's being sarcastic in this post. I haven't quite got a feel for morm yet. This is my first time playing with him.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Sally, you don't know me do you? Yes I would be that obvious if it suited me but I would also be very subtle if it suited me, or I'd set up an obvious frame. However, I am not the bear so I did not get such a choice.

I am only to this post on the reading but this post did not dissuade me of my Sally suspicion. It is big and long but not a lot of substance.

I am going to make an effort to shift my focus, I've been known (many times) to get so wrapped up in one person that I get tunnel vision. I would like to refresh my view and look at a couple others.

Reply to sally thinking about would morm be obvious in some of his posts regarding being a bear.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Wow! There sure is a lot of productive talk going on *glares at Boromir*

Now, I've been keeping this in the back of my mind since day 1 but haven't done much about it yet. However, I notice some are picking up on it too so I'd like to mention what I've noticed about Formendacil. I've reread many of his post just recently to either help persuade is dissuade my suspicion of him. What I decided is he looks more villainous than before. One of the recurring themes that kept being woven into many posts was his past. He kept referring to this is how he always does things, or when something was not normal he made a point to show us that it wasn't normal. Either way he kept trying to tell us he is overall acting very normal and trying reassure us when he doesn't. Ordos don't worry about that stuff.

++Formendacil

I am almost certain he is our bear and that Sally and Atume are wolves.

I think this one is pretty explanatory. However I still haven't picked up on the Form being a bear.

Ok so that's it. After going through all of this I still feel like morm is suspicous. So far it looks like I'm going to vote for morm toDay.

I really would like us to lynch a baddie toDay. Too many of us have died already.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Sally

*cough* Durelin's a girl. *cough*

Um, actually I'm a 23 year old male named David who has a lvl 80 rogue in World of Warcraft and listens to My Chemical Romance.

>_>

Lommy-cobbler?

Nienna, Mira, Nessa, alona, and autum just kinda make up this ball of wolfishness in my head right now.

Nessa - Her willingness to just say "these two people who other people are talking about a lot, one of which was just voted for by two people, I of course think are suspicious, too...which one should I vote for?" Then her list, which does not really reflect that she has any suspicion.

Nienna - Yeah, still creepy. Voting-wise: She picked up Lommy's vote for Shasta and went for him yesterDay. She put Pitchwife at 3 votes on Day 1.

My brain just stopped working. That normally happens when I try to go back through the thread...

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nessa

++no vote

BOOOOOO!

[Durelin]

Lommy-cobbler? Lommy-bear? I guess she can be Lommy-wolf, too, if you want.

I hope alona and Nessa are wolves...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Um, actually I'm a 23 year old male named David who has a lvl 80 rogue in World of Warcraft and listens to My Chemical Romance.

>_>

Same difference.



I'm not liking the no-votes at all.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I'm not liking the no-votes at all.

Your mom doesn't like the no votes. (Some dead person made that dying request from me...I felt obligated.) Continue

[satansaloser2005]

Well, the people I've looked at toDay (i.e. Shasta and a bit of Formie, as well as mulling things over about other people) I've not much changed my mind.


Sorry,
++Morm,
but I still think you're a good choice for a baddie.


EDIT: x'd since my last, 'cause I got distracted again.

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Nienna - Yeah, still creepy. Voting-wise: She picked up Lommy's vote for Shasta and went for him yesterDay. She put Pitchwife at 3 votes on Day 1.

I'm still trying to figure out what creepy means...

As to my votes. I voted Pitchwife on DayOne because as soon as I asked him about his first vote he retracted it and voted someone else. This made him really suspicious in my eyes because I just wanted him to defend his vote a little. If he had done so he wouldn't have received my vote. Instead he changed his vote and started being suspicious.

I voted Shasta on DayTwo because he was acting really strangely (maybe this is normal but it felt different than when I had seem him play before) and his vote for Pitchwife was based on nothing and it was before Pitchwife changed his vote which is what made me think he was evil. We now know that he wasn't but hindsight is 20/20. And just as a side note I still find Shasta unsettling but he hasn't posted yet today (correct me if I'm wrong) and I won't vote for him again without giving him some time to speak.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Um, actually I'm a 23 year old male named David who has a lvl 80 rogue in World of Warcraft and listens to My Chemical Romance.

>_>

...


Nienna - Yeah, still creepy. Voting-wise: She picked up Lommy's vote for Shasta and went for him yesterDay. She put Pitchwife at 3 votes on Day 1.

Hi Dave, I'm Formendacil. Nice to have you out of the closet.

I'm going to be foolish here and step out on a limb by chivalrously defending Nienna with little reason other than that she's made two posts now trying to get Dury to say what she thinks "creepy" means. Call it the game-after hangover from being Lovers last game. In any case, if "creepy" merely boils down to "her posting style rubs me wrong" then that's apparently typical for Nienna and it's to be wondered at that she didn't die on Day 1 of it (she's done that twice, as an Innocent, and was saved by the coin toss last game).

That little bit of unwarranted chivalry aside, Nienna dearest, you do look a trifle suspicious, especially in that general way that quieter players look suspicious on basic principle, especially if they seem to evince observation enough to know what's going on and around enough to post at diverse hours--even if not often or long.

Can't say I see you as suspicious, but I've got Morm pushing my buttons and Alona ringing alarm bells--and I might be a trifle blinded.

[Durelin]

No, no. The first query regarding 'creepy' was to Rikae, and Rikae attempted to explain. I may...I may just say I agree with Rikae's definition.

[satansaloser2005]

If anyone's not sick of 'that's what she said' jokes, you can get about 5 just out of Formie's post.


I'm worried about Nienna recently because I think the no-vote was a bit of a cop out. Sure, her main suspect has left but there's gotta be someone else she feels suspicious of by now.



EDIT: x'd with Durie and Celibate Man. I was referring of course to his post 977.

[Nienna]

I apologize for being quiet and concise. I'm sorry that it makes me seem 'creepy' but I don't think that posting more often or at greater length is a strength of mine. I am just trying to figure out who the baddies are and lynch them so that we can have a village victory.