TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by morm

Durelin is the lone exception to the current trend, in fact she's said more today than all other days combined, or so it seems.

No, morm. You just started to notice me because I talked about you.

Originally Posted by sally

Heh. You know I was mostly kidding about that, right?

Well no. I went back and looked, and I really can't see anything that tells me that.

And what does "mostly kidding" mean anyway?

Originally Posted by Mira

So Shasta. Why? I'm going to try to start an analysis before I have to leave for work, but it'll be done by deadline, even if I have to finish it when I get home. Hopefully I can find a connection between the three bear kills. To analyzing!

What about the wolveses that are still out there?

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Durelin

And what does "mostly kidding" mean anyway?

Ask Miracle Max, he know what 'Mostly Dead' means so he certainly should know what 'Mostly Kidding' means.

I agree with Durelin here. I don't see any jest. I see Sally doing what Rikae demonstrated she did yesterday. Keeps trying to explain things and continues to dig a bigger and bigger hole.

[Macalaure]

Commenting on the comments first, then off to analyse a bit.

What I find very awkward about morm's insistence that he has been protected is that he only (flawfully, imo) argues why the ranger would protect him, not why Shasta-ranger would protect him. (note to self: have look at Shasta if time permits.)

Originally Posted by Nerwen

On the other hand, that edginess was there all yesterDay too– it's mainly why I voted him.

I can't remember that I've ever seen morm non-edgy.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I'm not to sure what to make of this comment, because normally people just ignore such vague yet clearly enough phrased suspicions and let them be. Nienna, however, wanted an explanation to be able to defend herself and half of me says that's a sign of guilt, and the other half that it's a sign of innocence... go figure.

Sign of innocence (though I still have to take a closer look at her and make up my mind). Not only the suspected person usually ignores such petty accusations, but the average other person, too. Why risk it that the suspector elaborates on the "creepiness" and actually convinces someone of it.

"One half says it's guilty and one half says it's innocent" is a horribly vague and wolvish statement, Lommy. The people who suspect Nienna already take it as support of their view, while the non-suspicious people aren't rubbed the wrong way.

Originally Posted by Lommy

There's nothing bad in being analytical per se, but as an experienced werewolf player you should probably know that many wolves have been caught because they have explained the Night kills so smartly and effortlessly (straight from their Nightly PMs) or have managed to give the impression they think (a lot) from the wolves' prespective. I'm not saying going inside a baddie's mind and speculating stuff is bad - on the contrary - but sometimes it looks so authentical it gives off bad vibes, often for a reason. And that's why I suspect you.

This bit sounds very, very dodgy.

Originally Posted by morm

There are three I trust right now--Rikae, Mac and Durelin.

*approves*

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Well no. I went back and looked, and I really can't see anything that tells me that.

And what does "mostly kidding" mean anyway?

First of all, Morm gets points for the reference.


It doesn't really matter, I just found it funny. I really didn't change the lynch, and of course I know that, but it's funny if you realize that if I hadn't been messing around yesterDay (aka the 'vote change') Morm would have been the other side of the coin and he'd have been dead. It made me giggle, that's all.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, off to do my Nienna (I mean Nessa....dang it, I keep doing that!) analysis now. Then I need to do Nienna as well so I can remember which of them has done what so I can figure out which I suspect more. (Yes, I know, Morm did one a bit ago if I remember correctly but I'd rather look at her posts myself than just see Morm's summations of her words.)

[Durelin]

Ah. Now I get what you meant, Sally, about the coin toss.

[satansaloser2005]

NESSA DAY ONE


Stealing Mac's plus and minus thing, because....well, it's awesome.

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Oh wow! I wake up in the morning and we're on PAGE FOUR?

All I can say is that I would've helped, but little girls like me are supposed to be asleep in the early a.m's.

Even worse, in all FOUR (three?) pages, no one has said anything for me to blame them. And to think I was hoping for such a miracle. ToT

But tp's plan seems sound enough to me. The only problem is that it unnervingly reminds me of a similar scenario in TiG III involving Fordim Hedgthistle. Except there, it was used as a basis for Day one votes. (Yeah, I like to read through the older games-helps a doof like me figure things out)

I won't be surprised if someone uses peoples reactions to that plan to decide on their vote. It seems to happen a lot.

edit: crossed with morm

Banter, banter, fluff, reference to an old game, supports lynching an already dying Fea, says that the discussion will probably help people make up their minds about each other. +0

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Well, I just go to older threads in Mirth. Makes for good reading, and it's fun to guess who is who while you read.

Banter. +0

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

That may be what he had in mind, just to try and make this game that much more interesting. But couldn't the wolves exploit that reasoning by saying they distrust each other?

Makes a good point, and while she didn't say much she brings up....erm, actually an obvious point. One that needed to be brought up, but obvious. But she was trying, so yay for that. +1

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Maybe, if that is how Boro chose roles. We would have to tally up everyone's answers though, if we were to do that.

I myself would rather have more concrete evidence, based on someone slipping up. It's too easy to be tricked in any strategy, however, if that's all we have to go on...

I say, Day one is the hardest vote of all, merely because there's nothing to go on.

Says the surveys are worth looking at but that it's too much effort and she'd rather use (as I put it) real werewolfing skills to figure out the baddies. And Day Ones suck. (+1 liking points, +0 suspicion points)

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

I sense a little tension here. >_>

Yeah, well.... +0

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Well, at least now the conversation is boiling down to the problem at hand, rather than other oddities that only serve to up the page count.

I think the most likely strategy, that everyone will most likely fall into anyways, is to blindly vote Day one as they always have, and then look back at who voted who, and who was Night killed for motives.

But the problem lies in this: when all we can do toDay is vote blindly, how will our votes mean anything? There's no point in giving a well-thought reason when there's nothing to go on for us villagers(and gifteds). If we just tell the truth about why we're voting instead of trying to sound smart(guilty here) then it will be easier to distinguish who is who. Only the wolves are sure of who they need to kill: everyone. And that means that they will be glad with whatever lynch they can get on the first day, provided none of them die.

Erm....states the obvious. This post looks so helpful, and yet....nothing. She's saying what we all know is true. -1, because it looks....weird.

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

I would love to be able to form solid opinions of everyone like Rikae, but, as has been noticed multiple times, there has been nothing to go on. The funny thing is, there is more substance in her one post than has been in the last few pages. And I hate lynching people who have nothing against them. That contradicts the idea that you're supposed to use your head in this game.


There may be a list forthcoming(oh no!), but I regret that you must wait for it.

Says that she has trouble getting a hold on people and that Rikae is being more helpful than most. Ties to Rikae, in a way. Doesn't want to lynch someone who....I'm getting the impression of who can't talk a lot, but she could also mean people who haven't been suspected much. Promises a list. Again, this is a good post and I understand where she's coming from, but....could she be buttering up to Rikae by saying she's being helpful, for whatever reason? -1

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

No, I think it's excellent when someone has a sensible reason, only it's easy for one to vote based on banter rather than substance. That's what I'm trying to say. But I'd rather hear an obvious statement out of the speaker's desire to help the village than a genius plot from a wolf and their respective trickery.

edit: crossed since Inzil

Ahhhh, gotcha. Anyway, says it's too easy to hide behind stupid vote reasons. Also states that she'd rather....wait, she said she'd rather hear from an ordo than a wolf. Well of course. Pretty speech, but words whispered, etc. -1

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

The thing about innocents, is that their only concern should be to figure out who the baddies are. The wolves and gifteds are the ones who need to play tricks, and for either self preservation or some other motive.

I know I didn't say it (for the record, Rikae did) but the ordos occasionally need to play tricks too, and often do for the good of the village. Phantom and his insanity, for instance (not in this game necessarily but in others). I agree that we (the ordos) should try to catch the baddies of course, but this seems off to me. (-1 liking points, +0 suspicion points)

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Oh, wow, so many posts. @_@ Seems I have garnered a vote. I really must remember to congratulate myself. Late deadlines are always difficult for me, since I hit the hay pretty early, and must vote early, if I am to vote at all. ++Rikae If only for my dislike of how you seem to jump down everyone's throats. Night

This seems like a personal vote but I know it's not. Some wolves are very aggressive (no offense meant to Rikae of course) and Nessa could assume that's what Rikae was doing. At the same time, however, she had previously said she liked what Rikae was doing. Ties to Rikae. Weird for her to flip like that. Oh, and I've done the 'oh look I got a vote yay' thing too but this seems weird to me. -1


For those of you at home, the total so far....

Liking points (her posts, not Nessa herself of course): 0
Suspicion points: -3