Tol-in-Gaurhoth Threefold and Six: The Night Guard - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

wilwarin538 · 09-01-2009, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Me. I guess I have also enough for now.

Speaking of that, miss barmaid, haven't you thought of getting married? A fair girl of your age could start thinking about it... I could surely find you a good rich husband, only for a small fee I could arrange it...

Rich??? Sounds lovely! Find me a rich husband and he can pay you the small fee.

wilwarin538 · 09-01-2009, 06:52 AM

Well, it's been delightful but I must leave you all. I'll be back for the last hour before DL.

Kitanna · 09-01-2009, 07:03 AM

I see the topic of discussion remains on Mnemo and Wilwa's conversation regarding the seer revealing. That's not surprising. Though I had hoped for a little more discussion, maybe a big red flag pointing to one of the villagers, declaring him/her "WOLF" in big letters.

However, that hasn't happened and I need to vote in the next twenty minutes. I get off work right at the deadline and there is no guarantee I can make it home at lunch to contribute.

I'm going back to ponder, but I'm thinking the chances of a random vote today are likely.

Thinlómien · 09-01-2009, 07:26 AM

I don't like the speculation about the seer revealing and us and the ranger protecting him/her nonstop. As several people have said, the plan is not faultless. Secondly, if we did, it would feel unfair for the wolves to me. Sort of like cheating. (Yes, and it's me Lommy-the-ever-ordo-and-always-on-the village's-side who's saying this.) From my point of view, it would be simpler, safer and fairer not to do that (from the beginning that is - once the seer comes out it would be stupid not to do it).

Anyhow, I don't know if I should be worried because this talk has been going on for so long. Everybody seems to agree we won't do it now, so why keep talking about it? I admit I haven't done anything else yet either, but the village's single-mindedness is a bit troubling. And I would also warn of making the hasty and probably biased conclusion that Mnemo who made the original suggestion (which is risky and dominating the discussion and all that jazz) is a wolf. I think what she said would've been an ideal piece of cobblery, but more ordoish than wolvish.

I should be going more or less now, and I'm afraid I won't have much of a chance to contribute today. I still have work, agreed to see someone nice and would like to go to sleep early. But I'll be back at least for a while. I'll leave the responsibility of moving on to other discussions to you others, and leave with a special note - I hate random votes (surprise

) and although she often uses them, Kitanna started looking mighty suspicious in my eyes as soon as she promised to make one. What a perfect way for a wolf to slip from the spot. I wonder if you're planning to give the guard vote at random too? Would make just about as much sense...

(sorry Kit, nothing personal but I never ever got the point of random voting, as you probably have noticed in all our games together...)

edit: xed with Kittles

Nogrod · 09-01-2009, 10:42 AM

Somehow I do find this a bit unsettling:

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I don't like the speculation about the seer revealing and us and the ranger protecting him/her nonstop. As several people have said, the plan is not faultless. Secondly, if we did, it would feel unfair for the wolves to me. Sort of like cheating. (Yes, and it's me Lommy-the-ever-ordo-and-always-on-the village's-side who's saying this.) From my point of view, it would be simpler, safer and fairer not to do that (from the beginning that is - once the seer comes out it would be stupid not to do it).

Now even if Lommy has the reputation of the ultimate flip-flopper this kind of beats me.

I mean, on the other hand she says it's not a faultless plan (which it isn't) and thence it would be safer not to execute it. On the other hand she says it is unfair, even cheating, and it would be fairer not to do it.

Now whatever way you look at it you can come up with one message behind the conflicting scenarios: don't do it! And I tend to think the wolves would be the ones to face tougher choices if we did it. So...?

Also I find this follow-up interesting:

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Anyhow, I don't know if I should be worried because this talk has been going on for so long. Everybody seems to agree we won't do it now, so why keep talking about it?

So let's not even discuss it? Why? For not realising it might be a good way to proceed for the village? Should we rather just rant and then vote randomly? It hardly fits your person Lommy... So why all this?

Hmm... Also pay heed to the "moral high-ground arguments" she uses - continued by Legate agreeing with Lommy (and his general reluctance on the matter):

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Originally Posted by Legate

also those about "unfairness" (I was more like wondering if the Mod should not have limited this Night Guarding stuff a bit more limited rule-wise, though after thinking about it a bit - what I've been doing through writing all these posts - maybe it's not TOO strong, but still maybe a bit of a disbalance, but who knows)

It just reminds me of my family's long history in the WW where my ancestors have been keen to bring forwards moral high ground -arguments when being baddies...

Yay Pitchwife! I had forgotten that! If we protect a wolf as a village there will be only one kill! So with two "revealed" seers we'd have 50-50 chance of suffering only one kill during the Night!

EDIT: X'd from Mnemo onwards...

Brinniel · 09-01-2009, 10:50 AM

Must really go now.

Legate so far seems the most sensible and reasonable and innocentish, so I'll pick him to guard:

++Legate

As for a lynch vote...much more difficult. No one stands out as suspicious to me just now so it'll have to be complete random toDay. A lot of players still haven't posted, and hopefully they will show up, but for now I will vote for someone who is not making a contribution.

++McCaber

Hopefully my participation will be better toMorrow. At least deadline will be a bit better in my new time zone..

Pitchwife · 09-01-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

A lot of players still haven't posted, and hopefully they will show up, but for now I will vote for someone who is not making a contribution.

I have a premonition our apothecary will be foaming at the mouth when he hears this - and honestly, I don't like it either. Much too easy.

Kitanna · 09-01-2009, 01:46 PM

I don't have the time toDay to read everything I've missed. But my guard vote won't be totally random. I was going to vote to guard Mnemo, but since she stirred up a lot of discussion she doesn't seem a likely Night 2 kill. Rather I'd like to guard one of those who haven't spoken yet. These sorts are usually kills early on because they leave no trail for the villagers. So that leaves Hakon and alonariel as the only two who have yet to say anything.

++Guard Hakon

alonariel gave a reason for being absent, but Hakon has said nothing.

Shastanis Althreduin · 09-01-2009, 01:53 PM

So we should reward him?

Anyway, I have to vote now. Thought about voting Mnemo, but that seemed too much like penalizing her for an original thought, so I'm going to

++Lommy

and

++Legate.

Nienna · 09-01-2009, 01:59 PM

I have absolutely no idea who to vote for for either the guard or the lynch.

We are down to 2 hours before deadline I believe.

I'm going to go back through and see if I can dig up anything. No one is really setting off my radar or screaming wolf at me. Mnemo's plan was a little out there but it would be a really risky wolf move and I don't know if she is a risky wolf or not.

Edit: x-ed since Shasta

Pitchwife · 09-01-2009, 01:59 PM

Kit, just when I've reluctantly decided you're my prime suspect, you have to say something I can see sense in (even if I don't agree)!*sigh*
You forgot McCaber, by the way. (Cancel that - he just showed up.)

Nog, while I agree that Legate seems to have missed some points in his early posts, which of his angles do you find blatantly weird and out of touch with reality? Asking because it might help me to clarify my own impression of him.

EDIT: x-ed with Boro; applause, applause!
And sorry for forgetting Nilp in my earlier list, but he seems to be just in character, both in- and meta-gamewise, so nothing to go on.

09-01-2009, 06:52 AM	#2
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	Well, it's been delightful but I must leave you all. I'll be back for the last hour before DL. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

09-01-2009, 07:03 AM	#3
Kitanna Child of the West Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Watching President Fillmore ride a unicorn Posts: 2,132	I see the topic of discussion remains on Mnemo and Wilwa's conversation regarding the seer revealing. That's not surprising. Though I had hoped for a little more discussion, maybe a big red flag pointing to one of the villagers, declaring him/her "WOLF" in big letters. However, that hasn't happened and I need to vote in the next twenty minutes. I get off work right at the deadline and there is no guarantee I can make it home at lunch to contribute. I'm going back to ponder, but I'm thinking the chances of a random vote today are likely. __________________ "Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

09-01-2009, 07:26 AM	#4
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	I don't like the speculation about the seer revealing and us and the ranger protecting him/her nonstop. As several people have said, the plan is not faultless. Secondly, if we did, it would feel unfair for the wolves to me. Sort of like cheating. (Yes, and it's me Lommy-the-ever-ordo-and-always-on-the village's-side who's saying this.) From my point of view, it would be simpler, safer and fairer not to do that (from the beginning that is - once the seer comes out it would be stupid not to do it). Anyhow, I don't know if I should be worried because this talk has been going on for so long. Everybody seems to agree we won't do it now, so why keep talking about it? I admit I haven't done anything else yet either, but the village's single-mindedness is a bit troubling. And I would also warn of making the hasty and probably biased conclusion that Mnemo who made the original suggestion (which is risky and dominating the discussion and all that jazz) is a wolf. I think what she said would've been an ideal piece of cobblery, but more ordoish than wolvish. I should be going more or less now, and I'm afraid I won't have much of a chance to contribute today. I still have work, agreed to see someone nice and would like to go to sleep early. But I'll be back at least for a while. I'll leave the responsibility of moving on to other discussions to you others, and leave with a special note - I hate random votes (surprise ) and although she often uses them, Kitanna started looking mighty suspicious in my eyes as soon as she promised to make one. What a perfect way for a wolf to slip from the spot. I wonder if you're planning to give the guard vote at random too? Would make just about as much sense... (sorry Kit, nothing personal but I never ever got the point of random voting, as you probably have noticed in all our games together...) edit: xed with Kittles __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

09-01-2009, 10:50 AM	#6
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Must really go now. Legate so far seems the most sensible and reasonable and innocentish, so I'll pick him to guard: ++Legate As for a lynch vote...much more difficult. No one stands out as suspicious to me just now so it'll have to be complete random toDay. A lot of players still haven't posted, and hopefully they will show up, but for now I will vote for someone who is not making a contribution. ++McCaber Hopefully my participation will be better toMorrow. At least deadline will be a bit better in my new time zone.. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

09-01-2009, 01:46 PM	#8
Kitanna Child of the West Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Watching President Fillmore ride a unicorn Posts: 2,132	I don't have the time toDay to read everything I've missed. But my guard vote won't be totally random. I was going to vote to guard Mnemo, but since she stirred up a lot of discussion she doesn't seem a likely Night 2 kill. Rather I'd like to guard one of those who haven't spoken yet. These sorts are usually kills early on because they leave no trail for the villagers. So that leaves Hakon and alonariel as the only two who have yet to say anything. ++Guard Hakon alonariel gave a reason for being absent, but Hakon has said nothing. __________________ "Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

09-01-2009, 01:53 PM	#9
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	So we should reward him? Anyway, I have to vote now. Thought about voting Mnemo, but that seemed too much like penalizing her for an original thought, so I'm going to ++Lommy and ++Legate. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

09-01-2009, 01:59 PM	#10
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	I have absolutely no idea who to vote for for either the guard or the lynch. We are down to 2 hours before deadline I believe. I'm going to go back through and see if I can dig up anything. No one is really setting off my radar or screaming wolf at me. Mnemo's plan was a little out there but it would be a really risky wolf move and I don't know if she is a risky wolf or not. Edit: x-ed since Shasta __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

09-01-2009, 01:59 PM	#11
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Kit, just when I've reluctantly decided you're my prime suspect, you have to say something I can see sense in (even if I don't agree)!sigh You forgot McCaber, by the way. (Cancel that - he just showed up.) Nog, while I agree that Legate seems to have missed some points in his early posts, which of his angles do you find blatantly weird and out of touch with reality? Asking because it might help me to clarify my own impression of him. EDIT: x-ed with Boro; applause, applause! And sorry for forgetting Nilp in my earlier list, but he seems to be just in character, both in- and meta-gamewise, so nothing to go on. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI Last edited by Pitchwife; 09-01-2009 at 02:02 PM.