T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Aaah okay, I can see your point. Good. Though, I already said what it was - no discouraging. And there was this personal aspect, I am saying it once again, that I thought Rune, given his daring approach, might have been a provocative Hunter, and since he voted me, I was not sure whether with his death I would not have died, if he were the Berserk or the Day-killing Hunter. I wanted to keep him undisturbed at least one more Day to try to get a better reading of him.

And this is the problem with looking for gifteds. Leave it to the wolves, don't bother with it on your own.

[Roa_Aoife]

*sigh* The day ends in 5 hours and once again there's been hardly any activity. Legate is my strongest suspect at the moment.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

*sigh* The day ends in 5 hours and once again there's been hardly any activity. Legate is my strongest suspect at the moment.

Really? Interesting. Because of what - because of that I, as you say, "supported" not lynching of Rune, and because I, as you say, "ask for" being a Captain? Is there something else?

Anyway, whom else do you suspect, apart from me? You can just tell a list of people, you don't need to elaborate in any deep ways. But since you say "strongest", I would like to know whom else could you suspect.

[Roa_Aoife]

A. I suspect everyone to varying degrees because anyone could be a wolf. Unlike some, I don't ever really find someone to be innocent with out it being absolutely confirmed in same way.

B. I had three things which I didn't like about your posting: You continual suggestions that Rune was innocent (which really happened, the posts are there for everyone to see.), the fact that you reason and reason and reason and still come down on both sides of an issue, thus never really saying anything concrete, and the fact that you are even suggesting it would be better to have a captain with full powers which is not at all in the best interest of the village. All this combined with what we now know of the dead leads you to be my strongest suspect.

C. My next strongest candidate is Greenie because she voted to lynch Hakon but didn't apply the same reasoning to Rune, and I think that it's more suspicious to apply your reasoning to one person but not another, than to apply the same reasoning to everyone, even if it causes you to suspect some innocents, and especially since we know that the double standard worked in favor of a wolf it's even more suspicious.

Edit: crossed

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

And this is the problem with looking for gifteds. Leave it to the wolves, don't bother with it on your own.

Well, I wasn't looking for Gifteds. I wanted to know whether he's not perchance going to kill me, you see

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Roa

We shouldn’t keep a captain two days in a row.

I think this is quite a strong statement, to be honest, for surely there are two sides to the issue.

Originally Posted by Nienna

I think that it is vital for an innocent to hold the position (if someone is to hold it). Legate is the only person at the moment who I think is innocent. I'd rather he keep it and then be able to help out in a lynch.

I agree, to some point, though we have to bear in mind that even if the Captain has the village's best interests at heart it doesn't necessarily mean he can help out in a lynch (meaning that an innocent Captain, too, can get it wrong). On the other hand, I agree that Legate feels pretty innocent, and I think we all know he's smart, so he would, at least in my opinion, be a safer choice than somebody else. Also, I think we should remember that the Captain doesn't have to use his powers. (Which is no consolation if our Captain is a wolf, though...) But yeah, I'm a little confused with the Captain issue, don't know what to think.

Originally Posted by Roa

(So, do you want to change captains regularly or keep Legate? You can’t have both, my dear. And by keeping Legate as captain, you make a choice about letting a captain keep full powers, even though you say you aren’t.)

I'd think it was possible to change Captains regularly even if one Captain had two Days in office. However, I'm still not sure whether I want any single player have that much power... So yes, your criticism on that issue was very much justified since I'm flip-flopping like a proper Lommy.

Originally Posted by Roa

(I personally think one should vote for whomever they feel should receive the vote, regardless if other have voted for them or not, but that’s me and not everyone agrees, innocent or otherwise.)

As it happens, I agree. YesterDay I had two choices, each as good as the other, so I voted for the one who had already been voted for. If I had preferred Boro to Legate I'd have voted him.

Originally Posted by Roa

(Again, Hakon and Rune did the same thing. Why should then Hakon die, but not Rune? By itself, it’s just poor reasoning. Looked at in the knowledge of Rune and Hakon’s roles, it looks suspicious.)

Yeah. An excellent question. Maybe it was partly because I know applying that straightforwardly for Captaincy could well be something an innocent Rune would do. Hakon, on the other hand, has striked me before more as the sort of under-the-radar person, and his open desire to become Captain seemed odd because of that. Also, Rune's behaviour in general seemed quite genuine to me. Alas, I was fooled.

Originally Posted by Roa

I couldn't remember, so I went with male. Sorry Greenie.

No problem dear!


EDIT: x-ed with Lehag (yeah I intended to type Legate... ), Nienna and Roa

[Nienna]

Roa what think you of Fea?

[Roa_Aoife]

The only thing about Fea that has gotten me so far is her lack of aggression. She's either a lost innocent or a cautious wolf. I remember innocent Fea going after people left and right. But I haven't played with her in a long time, and I haven't got a good handle in her. (Not that I ever do.) None of her reasoning has been particularly faulty, so there isn't much too say about her otherwise.

I haven't the faintest idea why she trusts me. Greenie is quite right in not following suit.

Edit: cursed grammatical errors!

[Nienna]

What worries me about Fea is when she is an innocent she is usually bored so she does outlandish things. Maybe it is RL or maybe she is being a cautious wolf.

[Nogrod]

Well... in the end I only found these...

Originally Posted by Fea

I think we'd be better off without a Captain, but that would be kind of like a Republic game without a filibuster. If the mod says we can do it, who are we to choose not to?

The only way to get rid of Captaincy itself in these early stages of the game is to lynch the Captain in the end of a Day when no one has voted for any other Captain candidate to replace him (Captains are protected during the Nights so they can’t be killed during the Night by anyone).

Later (with 7 players or less) the Captain can also be killed by Night (unless ranger-protected of course) and then you might wake into a Day with no Captain and decide not to vote for a new one.

On a parallel issue...

Originally Posted by Legate

So in other words: yes, once the voting starts, it's just voting. If you don't cast your vote, you are not voting for anybody. If you want to keep the previous Captain, you need to vote for him.

Correct. Although to keep the previus C. you don't need to vote for him if no one challenges his leadership by voting someone else. That's why I insisted there being a deadline after which no new "Captaincy-votings" could be triggered.

So if you think the issue is important and you have to leave the thread early you should vote for the one you think should be a Captain (I'd say an early-leaver voting for his confidence to the current Captain would not be taken as opening a Captaincy-bid but the vote would be counted if rivalling votes would trigger a real voting on the issue later). But if you stay online late you can see whether there is a need to vote for a Captain or not.

Looking at the general feeling of this bunch it looks like there will be a vote everyDay...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Did we ever get a Word-of-Mod on whether wolves are neutralised if they become Night Guards?

It was discussed, yes. The wolves will be able to PM with other wolves during the Nights even if chosen in “public offices”.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nienna

What worries me about Fea is when she is an innocent she is usually bored so she does outlandish things. Maybe it is RL or maybe she is being a cautious wolf.

It's RL. I've been busy. Feel free to assume that I'm being outlandish in spirit.

I mean... I only got home a few minutes ago and only now just caught up on the thread.

I'm not particularly suspicious of Nienna, but she could easily pull one over on me.

I'm only semi-suspicious of Legate at this point. Valier, I have no idea and lean toward suspicious based solely on gut instinct (which is an unreliable judge).

I'm tempted to try to lynch Roa (yeah, even after voting for her for Captain; having all day to ponder things means I might have to look a little wishy-washy) because I'm not at all used to having somebody around who thinks like I do, and the conspiracy theorist in me is clamoring that it's a ploy, that she's not really good and helpful, that she's just trying to get the village's blood.

But voting for somebody because I trust their judgment? That's kinda backward.

Same for Lommy: I'm totally thrown by how much I don't suspect her.